Cyberpunk 2077 Grieving Thread

i don't even get why niggerloop was nominated for pretty much everything "important".
i mean it's plays like some sort of dishonored mixed with dark souls but that's about it, it's staggeringly repetitive to a point i consider playing fucking eve over it.
You got it on the sixth word.
 
I played the game and I will say that I enjoyed dicking around: I have 1 hour of playtime every other day and autistically clearing every checkmark in the map relaxes me.
What I don't get is why would you need to put a transgender character? It reminded me of the Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear tranny character.
It doesn't make sense from a worldbuilding point of view: cyberpunk has technologies closer to magic than science, why would you want to call yourself trans? Just cast a spell and presto! you're a woman. Considering the body mods you can do the whole concept of being trans makes no sense to me. The trans pride flag on the back of his car feels anachronistic:

-If you're a woman trapped inside of a man, why pretend that there aren't technologies that can fix you on a genetic level?
-If you were a man but are now a woman why even tell it in the first place? It would have been interesting if this was a secret that you learned from the character but it's there in the bio.
-Just call her a tomboy mechanic and that's it.

It feels like nitpicking but it breaks my suspension of disbelief. It's like being afraid of losing a leg to gangrene from an ingrown toenail - just go to a fucking clinic.

The people that are trans now would be the people screaming that they are being persecuted because no doctor will give them a dog's vagina or whatever autogynephilliac perversions there will be in the future,

I would appreciate having more breathing room between story beats: The story raises the stakes very high very fast but I have a whole map of collectibles to collect and gangoons to put in a cybercoma. Some of the things I liked the most were going to a NCPD dispatch location, clear the place and puzzle out what happened there. One of regina's hitman missions was for a Tiger Claw's exec called Jotaro. But doing side missions around the map you see his name here and there. I don't know but it feels that the hit on him was an inside job because he was getting too loud and too cocky for his own good.

If I could, I would have gone with the Baldur's Gate or Shadowrun Dragonfall route and put a reasonably high Eddie threshold that would force you to do side jobs and explore the world. I found that my favourite passtime would be going to a target location and circle it until I found a camera and from there finding the farthest hiding spot to remote hack and clear every single enemy without raising an alarm. It's relaxing seeing people getting their synapses fried from several kms away (I don't buy the whole non-lethal spiel, if I shoot someone with an antitank rifle no ammount of limb shooting will not turn it fatal).

I will play it for hours until I get bored, then probably make a meme build where I punch things and that's it. They tried to make 3 games and fell short on each one: shooter, rpg and open world.
 
Is this game still a dumpster fire or is it fixed to the point of picking up yet (for PC).
Haven't played it since Jan when I finished it, but I think it is more polished now, but not yet done.
ooooh, what I would give to be a fly inside the mangament office of CD project red now. I bet every meeting is following:
Jan:Vladtek, how goes the unfucking of CP2077?
Vladtek: Well Jan, we magned to fix one of the bugs, but now more are coming up and it make the code monkies go insane.
Jan: Kurwa! We need to make this game less a of disappointment now! The honor of Poland is on us!
Vladtek: Double ration of Wodka and ciggs can help with this?
Jan: great idea, get to work. Get the whipping going!
 
Haven't played it since Jan when I finished it, but I think it is more polished now, but not yet done.
ooooh, what I would give to be a fly inside the mangament office of CD project red now. I bet every meeting is following:
Jan:Vladtek, how goes the unfucking of CP2077?
Vladtek: Well Jan, we magned to fix one of the bugs, but now more are coming up and it make the code monkies go insane.
Jan: Kurwa! We need to make this game less a of disappointment now! The honor of Poland is on us!
Vladtek: Double ration of Wodka and ciggs can help with this?
Jan: great idea, get to work. Get the whipping going!
The honor of Poland rests on the hands of bioware's b-team from Canada? The entire nation of Poland is really gonna need to get smashed.
 
Is this game still a dumpster fire or is it fixed to the point of picking up yet (for PC).
My playthrough was a hundred hours in order clean up all the dots on the map, and I genuenly beleve there is a solid 20 hours of good game. Weather that is a compelment or insult to the game I will leave to your imagination.

The fixes are technical so have only improved matters if your problem was frustration at constant crashes.

Most people with a positive atitude to 2077 sight the charactors and your relationship with them, so if you start playing and don't give a shit about Jackie, Judy and Panam you can safely give it a miss.
 
It did feel for the characters (or feeling for them at the moment, still in act II) so I'm enjoying the story. I would have liked more Jacquie missions (the initial prologue sequence, before the Sandra Dorsett quest felt like a good act to get to know the world) before we start with the main quest. I like the guy, at least way more than any character in recent memory (I still haven't called his mom, I don't know if you get a conversation out of it or not) and certainly more than Keanu Reeves.

Silverhand feels schizophrenic: some sidequests he is openly hostile to V and you can't tell him to eat a virtual dick; other's he's your best bro and talks to you like a pal. I don't know if it will affect the ending or not but I give him shit in every dialogue choice I can (not that many).

Also I am liking Judy more and more: I remember her face of utter contempt the first time I said, "hi Judy" and she's grown on me through all her fuck ups in the story. Again, she's a highly disfunctional character in a highly disfunctional world so it makes sense she acts like she does. I'm along for the ride for her griefing.

Are there hidden multipliers that are based on your level? When I did very dangerous sidejobs I had enemies that needed 17-20 RAM to take down, my crits didn't do shit and I was one shotted. When I did the Beat on the Brat mission in the Glen at level 18-20, I was doing 300-500 damage per punch to the guy (legendary short circuit passive, all your crits will trigger the short circuit on your enemy - it was the only way I could do damage with 5 body). He one shotted me every time. I tried the quest at level 25 once it was flagged as "moderate". My punches did 5000 per hit and I curb stomped him.

At both times I had 20 INT since I rushed that stat since I'm playing as a technomancer. I don't really get the level scaling. There is 0 benefit to doing high leveled quests since the rewards are scaled to your level but the enemies are there for gatekeeping.

Also I fucked up and bought legendary gear at level 17 because it looked awesome (I was cosplaying as a shark executive so slacks, white shirt, sleeveless vest and cowboy boots) and now I have to scrap legendary items just to upgrade them because the armor score doesn't keep up.

Finally, is there a body cap that I need to put enemies in chokehold? most of the foes I have seen have the skull icon above them so I'm fucked when I try to stealth.
 
II still haven't called his mom, I don't know if you get a conversation out of it or not and certainly more than Keanu Reeves.
Yes and no, you can get his bike and pistols if i recall.
I don't know if it will affect the ending or not but I give him shit in every dialogue choice I can (not that many).
only if you wait but all the endings are the same so it's useless.
Also I am liking Judy more and more: I remember her face of utter contempt the first time I said, "hi Judy" and she's grown on me through all her fuck ups in the story. Again, she's a highly disfunctional character in a highly disfunctional world so it makes sense she acts like she does. I'm along for the ride for her griefing.
lol, judy is a standard butch lesbian but if you make a fem v with a dick she can get the dirty with her.
Are there hidden multipliers that are based on your level? When I did very dangerous sidejobs I had enemies that needed 17-20 RAM to take down, my crits didn't do shit and I was one shotted. When I did the Beat on the Brat mission in the Glen at level 18-20, I was doing 300-500 damage per punch to the guy (legendary short circuit passive, all your crits will trigger the short circuit on your enemy - it was the only way I could do damage with 5 body). He one shotted me every time. I tried the quest at level 25 once it was flagged as "moderate". My punches did 5000 per hit and I curb stomped him.
No, some enemies spawn with higher armor and health than others and you can't even go hacker route anymore unless you use a old save character to use contagion on one and forget about the others.
At both times I had 20 INT since I rushed that stat since I'm playing as a technomancer. I don't really get the level scaling. There is 0 benefit to doing high leveled quests since the rewards are scaled to your level but the enemies are there for gatekeeping.
sidequests sometimes give weapons and vehicles, not much worth besides it.
Also I fucked up and bought legendary gear at level 17 because it looked awesome (I was cosplaying as a shark executive so slacks, white shirt, sleeveless vest and cowboy boots) and now I have to scrap legendary items just to upgrade them because the armor score doesn't keep up.
Money is easy to get in the game, there are spawning gangs around that you can kill and sell their trash.
Finally, is there a body cap that I need to put enemies in chokehold? most of the foes I have seen have the skull icon above them so I'm fucked when I try to stealth.
level up.
 
Yes and no, you can get his bike and pistols if i recall.

only if you wait but all the endings are the same so it's useless.

lol, judy is a standard butch lesbian but if you make a fem v with a dick she can get the dirty with her.

No, some enemies spawn with higher armor and health than others and you can't even go hacker route anymore unless you use a old save character to use contagion on one and forget about the others.

sidequests sometimes give weapons and vehicles, not much worth besides it.

Money is easy to get in the game, there are spawning gangs around that you can kill and sell their trash.

level up.

Thanks for the breakdown! Money is not really the issue, but I don't know if the vendors restock clothing mods. Again, I like the butch lesbian because it fits with her character (she was the IT girl in a whorehouse for most of her adult life, makes sense to me she is a carpet muncher).

Also, are there any unique sidequests if you select one background over another? I wanted V to be a decker so the corpo background was the one that fit the most. So far I saw many dialogue choices and I got down and dirty with the Militech corpo (excellent material for no nut november, the fucking sex scene was cringy as hell) but will there be sidequests unique to my background? Will I get revenge on Arasaka for firing me or was that just a one-off?
 
Thanks for the breakdown! Money is not really the issue, but I don't know if the vendors restock clothing mods. Again, I like the butch lesbian because it fits with her character (she was the IT girl in a whorehouse for most of her adult life, makes sense to me she is a carpet muncher).

Also, are there any unique sidequests if you select one background over another? I wanted V to be a decker so the corpo background was the one that fit the most. So far I saw many dialogue choices and I got down and dirty with the Militech corpo (excellent material for no nut november, the fucking sex scene was cringy as hell) but will there be sidequests unique to my background? Will I get revenge on Arasaka for firing me or was that just a one-off?
There is one quest for each background, corpo has easily the worst one.
 
The people that are trans now would be the people screaming that they are being persecuted because no doctor will give them a dog's vagina or whatever autogynephilliac perversions there will be in the future,
Hoo boy. Let me just say that one of the Cyberpunk 2020 supplements (Chromebook 2) has an entire section dedicated to furry shit. Getting an animal's anything installed is small fry. Yes, that's how hilariously out-of-place that stuff is, especially when you have cybernetic dick replacements in the main book with the Mr. Studd. Quite frankly I'm surprised there's no bars with bunny girl dancers (the good kind, naturally) but wait... that would be a nice thing. And we can't have those.
Are there hidden multipliers that are based on your level? When I did very dangerous sidejobs I had enemies that needed 17-20 RAM to take down, my crits didn't do shit and I was one shotted. When I did the Beat on the Brat mission in the Glen at level 18-20, I was doing 300-500 damage per punch to the guy (legendary short circuit passive, all your crits will trigger the short circuit on your enemy - it was the only way I could do damage with 5 body). He one shotted me every time. I tried the quest at level 25 once it was flagged as "moderate". My punches did 5000 per hit and I curb stomped him.
Yes. You get more HP and damage per level, and I believe it continues the Witcher 3 style scaling where damage is scaled based on level differences, too.
There is one quest for each background, corpo has easily the worst one.
What are they? Only did Nomad my two goes, and is the Nomad quest the one that gives you your car from the prologue back?
 
There is one quest for each background, corpo has easily the worst one.
What a shame - my next run will be as a katana only street kid.

Hoo boy. Let me just say that one of the Cyberpunk 2020 supplements (Chromebook 2) has an entire section dedicated to furry shit. Getting an animal's anything installed is small fry. Yes, that's how hilariously out-of-place that stuff is, especially when you have cybernetic dick replacements in the main book with the Mr. Studd. Quite frankly I'm surprised there's no bars with bunny girl dancers (the good kind, naturally) but wait... that would be a nice thing. And we can't have those.

Yes. You get more HP and damage per level, and I believe it continues the Witcher 3 style scaling where damage is scaled based on level differences, too.

What are they? Only did Nomad my two goes, and is the Nomad quest the one that gives you your car from the prologue back?
Are you familiar with Cyberpunk? I'm more of a Shadowrun guy myself and in SR there is a hypercapitalist society but even despite the elves and dragons and whatnot it's still closer to our world than CP.
The corporate reach in the 2077 setting seems all over the place: on one hand, corps can start wars with each other as if they were countries but on the other hand Journalists are trusted by the public and can influence events. Maybe I haven't played enough but is there an alternative to corpoland? The nomads seem to be so but who is producing anything in this world? Corps own the farms and the industry but they still rely on labor contracts - why not make serfs out of their employees (SR had that covered already).

Also space travel is something that happens regularly but it's barely mentioned - is space that big of a deal? in the CP setting are there people signing up to travel the stars like the old timey pilgrims?

in the books what is the tone supposed to be? is the 2077 alternate history world completelly alien to the average 2020 resident or is it like our world but everyone dresses like a tosser? Some of the things are comical but they don't hold up to scrutiny.

For example, one of the cyberpsycho quests has you stop a guy that snapped and started shooting at the corpos that wanted to evict him from his workshop. When you dig around you'll see that Zetatech sold him the building but not the tools so he took another loan and then he inherited the debt of the previous owner etc, etc. But this transaction was between ZT and a small business owner, the zaibatsu gained pennies and it just showed how evil they are. My question would be - how the hell are there still small business owners in the CP world if the corps will smash you just to show how big their balls are? why would you even think of taking a loan since it's impossible to win against a corpo? in the source books are there any examples of wins against Arasaka or Zetatech by using the system?

In ShadowRun you have your megacorps, for example, Fuchi owns Stuffer Shack (a McDonald's type joint) and the branch manager gets to decide what deep frier to buy. Fuchi makes these deep friers but if a B corp makes the same deep friers at a fraction of the cost, the branch manager will make 10/10 times the call to swap equipment. The suits won't care but I feel that if this story were to be done in CP, that manager's house would receive an orbital bombardment. The corpo needs to show how evil they are after all.

Tl;dr - it feels that every single character has cyberpsychosis but we just don't know it.
 
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What a shame - my next run will be as a katana only street kid.


Are you familiar with Cyberpunk? I'm more of a Shadowrun guy myself and in SR there is a hypercapitalist society but even despite the elves and dragons and whatnot it's still closer to our world than CP.
The corporate reach in the 2077 setting seems all over the place: on one hand, corps can start wars with each other as if they were countries but on the other hand Journalists are trusted by the public and can influence events. Maybe I haven't played enough but is there an alternative to corpoland? The nomads seem to be so but who is producing anything in this world? Corps own the farms and the industry but they still rely on labor contracts - why not make serfs out of their employees (SR had that covered already).

Also space travel is something that happens regularly but it's barely mentioned - is space that big of a deal? in the CP setting are there people signing up to travel the stars like the old timey pilgrims?

in the books what is the tone supposed to be? is the 2077 alternate history world completelly alien to the average 2020 resident or is it like our world but everyone dresses like a tosser? Some of the things are comical but they don't hold up to scrutiny.

For example, one of the cyberpsycho quests has you stop a guy that snapped and started shooting at the corpos that wanted to evict him from his workshop. When you dig around you'll see that Zetatech sold him the building but not the tools so he took another loan and then he inherited the debt of the previous owner etc, etc. But this transaction was between ZT and a small business owner, the zaibatsu gained pennies and it just showed how evil they are. My question would be - how the hell are there still small business owners in the CP world if the corps will smash you just to show how big their balls are? why would you even think of taking a loan since it's impossible to win against a corpo? in the source books are there any examples of wins against Arasaka or Zetatech by using the system?

In ShadowRun you have your megacorps, for example, Fuchi owns Stuffer Shack (a McDonald's type joint) and the branch manager gets to decide what deep frier to buy. Fuchi makes these deep friers but if a B corp makes the same deep friers at a fraction of the cost, the branch manager will make 10/10 times the call to swap equipment. The suits won't care but I feel that if this story were to be done in CP, that manager's house would receive an orbital bombardment. The corpo needs to show how evil they are after all.

Tl;dr - it feels that every single character has cyberpsychosis but we just don't know it.
First, I wish there were more swords than just katanas, but alas, no nice things.

Second... a bit. I've been interested on-and-off with the setting for a while, but there's a lot to cover with your wall of text. First, as part of cyberpunk, corporations have a lot less control over the Net than IRL, so its easy for a journalist to livestream and catch an audience. Have to move around a lot and have bodyguards and know how to defend themselves for obvious reasons, but they can reach an audience. As to the setting... unlike Shadowrun CP focuses almost entirely on Night City, which is basically a grimdark version of the Bay Area. Seriously, its actual location on the coast is just south of San Jose. So yes, you go to pretty much anywhere else and the corpo influence is a lot more limited. As to the serfdom, its because there's an actual federal government (well two, technically), but the corps are not extraterritorial, unlike SR. They are still bound by the laws of the land... and the fact the Second Amendment was ruled to cover armored vehicles and ATGM's. There's an actual lore-based reason why you can just walk up to a storefront and walk out no questions asked with an LMG over your shoulder, after all. So their reach is restricted to legal dodges and the fact there's more guns per capita in the USA in Cyberpunk than there is now.

The actual tone of the books is edgy late 80's crime, grit, and resource shortages with a lot in common with the Judge Dredd movies, and as usual they've done a terrible job "updating" that to Current Year. It actually is the year 2077 in the 2020 setting, and there's Cyberpunk RED as a 2050's RPG book to link the two. Unlike Shadowrun it really hasn't kept up with the times though, so there's a lot less fun bioware and it comes across as a mix between really dated and blatant Current Year Wakanda-ism.

As to the system... well, why would you play the corpo's game like that? They have endless lawyers and can write you into just about any contract they want if you don't read the fine print. So just open up a stall somewhere and if the cops hassle you... well, a few eddies will get you a business license on the spot. Just gotta renew it every so often, you know?

As to the cyberpsychosis... well, yeah. Cyberpsychosis is your psyche rebelling against the utterly inhuman state of things. Humans absolutely were not meant to live in a cyberpunk dystopia, and so everyone's constantly on edge, and when you start putting things into your body, directly attacking your entire sense of self... you see the end result../ISPOILER]
 
I like the guy, at least way more than any character in recent memory (I still haven't called his mom, I don't know if you get a conversation out of it or not) and certainly more than Keanu Reeves.
It depends on what you did with his body but you can get a mission out of it. Also, try calling Jackie's number throughout the game.

Also, are you interested in adopting a cat?
 
to @Snekposter - the forum won't allow me to quote your latest message but thanks for giving me some more context on the lore and the world around it. I have the same disconnect I had with Fallout 3, where it was already 200+ years after the bombs fell but everyone was acting as if they had fallen last year. It has a much more 2020 feel than 2077. I would have expected a more alien setting, it feels like the world had stagnated for 50 years.

Even if you don't play the corpo's game I just don't buy it that the Corps haven't created their own feuds by now. If there is nothing to balance them out then they would, eventually topple the government and create their own city states (I guess that's what the free cities are). The only thing that stops the corps is their own size. In the SW world they are supranational entities but they are so big that they get clogged by their own bureaucracy. That's what allows some semblance of free enterprise to operate in that world (say you have a manufacturing operation for small parts for the Ares corp. It's too specialized for them to waste resources on and at the same time gives you solid clients even if it is through shell corporations). There is an underground economy going on but that's just for SINless, people without a digital chip implanted in them. I don't know if there's something like a SIN in the CP universe but step 1 for becoming a shadowrunner is to burn your SIM. As Kindly Cheng said in Hong Kong: it's about burning your whole cybernetic footprint, erasing your name from all existing databases and masking your face so that the first camera that records your face won't bring a whole dragnet on your ass.

There are so many sinless out there that it makes sense there is a society for people like them, who live almost off the grid. The SR corps sell to both sinners and sinless so they win either way but who do the CP corpos sell to? This is like the question for automation: if you automate 100% of your workforce who the hell is going to buy your products? If your entire kingdom are beggars, who will buy your stuff?

Also, I can't get over the leveling system. Where you get nerfed if you are underleveled compared to your foe and vice versa. It's like RPG rubberbanding. To me the RPG gold standard is always Baldur's Gate 2, where enough skill and cheese lets you punch way above your weight (mostly though magic and abusing magical items). I hate it when an RPG tells me that I can only play on a railroad. Fallout New Vegas put beef gates all over the map but with enough smarts you could cheese them and get OP real fast.

It's learning the world to break it that makes me replay crpgs. I like linear rpg's but not in my crpgs.
 
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