Feminism and the LGBT Community with Respect to Transgenderism - A vain (and autistic) attempt to improve Tranny Sideshows

[Lovecraft's Cat]

Introduction

One problem that many people have with the Tranny Sideshows on Social Media thread (link) is the sheer amount of sperging that takes place on it. In between meaningful posts with actual content, the thread always degenerates into slap-fighting over the patriarchy, gays, women, straights, and any number of topics with little (if any) relevance to the thread. In an effort to fix this problem, I created this thread.

What this thread is:

This thread is for discussing the how feminism, the LGBT movement, and the issues thereof relate to the modern transgender movement. Try and keep the discussion civil and on topic. You can sperg all you want, but know that you aren't free from criticism.

What this thread isn't:

A place to rant about how much you hate men, women, gays, or straights. It must relate to transgenderism in some way.

 

[NigKid]

People simply have too much time on their hand and dont form genuine connections anymore. Both of that combined with spending staggering amounts of time online has led to people trying to find peer groups attention and a meaning in life, all of which can be accomplished by coming out as trans. You have a peer group, people cheering on you and you can feel like youre a victim therefor giving your life meaning by trying to breakout of this victimhood. You are essentially living a very well fledged out lie, using your peer group to morph the world around into a much simpler concept even the hardest of mouthbreathers can understand. Im really interested to see a lot of these trannies in like 5-10 years.

Porn probably also plays into it, with people submitting to their fetishes and making it their lifes purpose to satisfy those urges. I dont count those to the same group as the people who just enjoy the attention. They come from a very different direction, though they also use fake oppression if their fetishes are obstructed by societies norm. 95+ percent of people on this planet dont have the luxury to degenerate to this degree.

 

[Niggernerd]

The sexual revolution of the 60s was a mistake

 

[Grub]

>This thread is for discussing the how feminism, the LGBT movement, and the issues thereof relate to the modern transgender movement

They don't other than that troons have co-opted the movement in an effort force acceptance for their degenerate choices and behavior.

 

[decaydent]

Liberal feminists adore trannies so much bc they finally gave them a purpose again. Sitting around doing privilege checks and pronoun circles was never going to help women with real issues (try stopping domestic violence with that or honor killings, or even better: Cologne Domplatte 2015) and the women in the workforce who already have secure lives do not need them either. Yeah, nice of you to sit and agonize over the layers of oppression within some law being gendered on the male terms (thx very much for making them even clunkier and longer).

So trannies are finally a caste they can help in the online/academic world and feel like they are relevant again. Someone also has to create jobs for those gender studies graduates. Overall, I think it‘s leftism‘s fault though. No matter how much libfems love to gloat about being instrumental in the tranny revolution ultimately no one rlly cares about them. They are useful idiots to provide a nice narrative of empowerment and underdog flair for the actual interests (surgeons, pharma, predators who love eliminating safeguarding) that the left continually seems to fall for.

All the personal superiority with zero of the personal responsibility.

Spoiler: dumb question

would it be a good idea to quote any new spergery in the Sideshow thread here, since most people in a few week‘s time will not have read your announcement and would just continue there as is?

They don't other than that troons have co-opted the movement in an effort force acceptance for their degenerate choices and behavior.

Nah, I think both these movements gladly rolled over when troon money came to town (the higher ups in organizations and academia, not individual activists at first). Having zero principles is on them.

 

[Lovecraft's Cat]

would it be a good idea to quote any new spergery in the Sideshow thread here, since most people in a few week‘s time will not have read your announcement and would just continue there as is?

Yes.

 

[KittyGremlin]

Who's to blame?

 

[Queen Elizabeth II]

Feminism hasn't had anything to do with actual women since the second wave. It's just a grift and a whine for attention and asspats.

Do not pet the dangerhair. Do not feed the tranny. Smile and ignore.

 

[Fougaro]

Who's to blame for the Trans Epidemic?

Feminists: "We want a society where men and women are equal!"
Monkey paw: (curls a finger)

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Who's to blame for the Trans Epidemic?

John Money and that German sex research Institute that the Nazis lit on fire.

 

[Hitleriffic!]

Greta Thunberg's apocalypse, which I imagine to be something like a hot version of The Road, has yet to happen. My apocalypse is already here, represented by Jazz Jennings' stink ditch going POP.

 

[Bixnood]

Thank you for making this thread Niggerman, I was meaning to make something like this but I am to lazy.

 

[Ser Prize]

The greatest issue with having deep thots about transgenderism is that, if you use your brain, you start realizing that so many of the same issues apply to the gay revolution that came before. And unfortunately that is quite the sacred cow, even on kiwifarms.

 

[YourFriendlyLurker]

Leftism - because being leftie means striving for so-called "progress". As one early Soviet movie says, "The revolution has a beginning, but it doesn't have an end". At first it was recognition of workers' rights, after that women, after that niggers, after that gays, now its trannies turn, in a couple of years it will be maps/zoo-s whatever. Note that some stages of that chain had a positive impact (working 8hours instead of 12 is a good shit), however since the world becomes more and more inclusive, lefties need to come up with more and more targets to put "opression" label on. Add here countless NGO-s and funds (Stonewall, ACLU, etc) that just requires new "opressed" categories for constant cash flow. The truth is, Stonewall is not needed anymore in the West, but too pussy to fight for real issues on the East. Instead of starting a pro LGB mission let's say in Pakistan, or fight for women rights in Africa, they chose a safe game of poor opressed MtFs who "JuST WanT to Pee!!1"

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Porn - because you can find tons of porn for free. The access to it is not limited by anything, kids happens to encounter porn while being 8-10 years old. Like you don't need to look for a partner IRL, because porn is always availiable and it's free.

The Industrial Revolution and It's Consequences - because the idea of the universal basic income and wellfare state guarantees even the most lazy retarded faggot that he/she is gonna be able to live. People have more time, more money, less real problems to care about.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Everyone. To wit:

Truthfully, I'm fine with everyone having a bit of a hand in this: general leftist wanting to be supportive, old gays not realizing the agp dragon was coming, TERFs (the true and honest kind) being so batshit that others didn't heed their warnings because they were batshit, doctors wanting to be on the right side of history, munchie moms, bitter men on the internet forming hugboxes that keep those in them depressed, the internet for easier access of porn, coomers for not having the will to climb out, autistic parents for not spedwatching their child, parents who let their kid have reddit/discord/telegram accounts without monitoring them for groomers, corporations looking for the next inclusive cause, drug companies and surgeons looking for payouts, companies pandering to women because women buy things more thus more fake girl power shit, conservative men and women forcing gender roles on their kids too ridgidly or looking for a quick cure for the gay:tm:, liberal parents for letting their minds be so open that their brains fall put and they don't do research, general men and women having basic empathy, and so on.

Femminist being the sole root is silly. Blaming only one part is autistic. The great poo is touched by everyone.

Blaming the left for enabling them is fine. Saying the right did no wrong is hilarious: some cows explicitly trooned out as a rebellion against their parents or they were too autistic to free themselves of binary thinking and societal roles. Right wing troons cosplaying as left wing ones exist all around us, they just keep it under the radar (see: tenacious unicorn ranch owner Penny Louge who owns 1 kajillion guns, was a libertarian, paired up with Christian coffee makers, and other subtle shit).

Thinking that beating these people would cure them or being raised in the RIGHT way is fucking hilarious, they would just incorporate it into their fetish. Why are there so many Bimbo fetishist? Are muslim fetishist right or left wing degeneracy? (hint the last one is neither)

Troons are enabled by leftist, but the right doesn't have a cure and sometimes makes it worse. I wish all troons could have a come to Jesus moment but you'd know they'd choose sects that would allow them to dominate women and sexually impose on them like the Quiverful lolcows and churches that allow them to be polyamorus.


TL; DR: ha ha ha trooning is a complex problem and crying over one thing (be it men women or whoever else) is dividing us further instead of dismantling mental illness, porn, and all around social cognition. You're lazy otherwise. Let us ALL be blamed. Some hold more weight than others, but everyone has a hand.

 

[ロボ﹏§¤r﹏h¶rœ]

Today I will remind them:

Who Are the Rich, White Men Institutionalizing Transgender Ideology?​

 

[Sweetpeaa]

Liberal feminists adore trannies so much bc they finally gave them a purpose again. Sitting around doing privilege checks and pronoun circles was never going to help women with real issues (try stopping domestic violence with that or honor killings, or even better: Cologne Domplatte 2015) and the women in the workforce who already have secure lives do not need them either. Yeah, nice of you to sit and agonize over the layers of oppression within some law being gendered on the male terms (thx very much for making them even clunkier and longer).

So trannies are finally a caste they can help in the online/academic world and feel like they are relevant again. Someone also has to create jobs for those gender studies graduates. Overall, I think it‘s leftism‘s fault though. No matter how much libfems love to gloat about being instrumental in the tranny revolution ultimately no one rlly cares about them. They are useful idiots to provide a nice narrative of empowerment and underdog flair for the actual interests (surgeons, pharma, predators who love eliminating safeguarding) that the left continually seems to fall for.

All the personal superiority with zero of the personal responsibility.

Spoiler: dumb question

would it be a good idea to quote any new spergery in the Sideshow thread here, since most people in a few week‘s time will not have read your announcement and would just continue there as is?

Nah, I think both these movements gladly rolled over when troon money came to town (the higher ups in organizations and academia, not individual activists at first). Having zero principles is on them.

Maybe those women just want a DUFF. No woman feels jealous over a tranny yet most women (yes even feminists) become heavily jealous over one of their friends who is prettier than them.

 

[decaydent]

This thread got clogged and flooded with terfs' irrelevant conclusions and discussions on why troons behave the way they do, and why they become troons in the first place.
They are just as out of touch as they are on the topic of wage gap, and only happen to say something on point by accident thanks to troons being expected of literally everything.
Remember: they see world through distorted lens of feminism and narcissism.

This is the thread for you then. Here we contemplate the responsibility of various movements for troonism and you can do so without shitting up the Social Media Sideshow thread yourself. Have fun.

Or just stick to the TERF thread, you will get many nice stickers there.

 

[xX_rAcE_wAr_420_Xx]

Everyone. To wit:



Blaming the left for enabling them is fine. Saying the right did no wrong is hilarious: some cows explicitly trooned out as a rebellion against their parents or they were too autistic to free themselves of binary thinking and societal roles. Right wing troons cosplaying as left wing ones exist all around us, they just keep it under the radar (see: tenacious unicorn ranch owner Penny Louge who owns 1 kajillion guns, was a libertarian, paired up with Christian coffee makers, and other subtle shit).

Thinking that beating these people would cure them or being raised in the RIGHT way is fucking hilarious, they would just incorporate it into their fetish. Why are there so many Bimbo fetishist? Are muslim fetishist right or left wing degeneracy? (hint the last one is neither)

Troons are enabled by leftist, but the right doesn't have a cure and sometimes makes it worse. I wish all troons could have a come to Jesus moment but you'd know they'd choose sects that would allow them to dominate women and sexually impose on them like the Quiverful lolcows and churches that allow them to be polyamorus.


TL; DR: ha ha ha trooning is a complex problem and crying over one thing (be it men women or whoever else) is dividing us further instead of dismantling mental illness, porn, and all around social cognition. You're lazy otherwise. Let us ALL be blamed. Some hold more weight than others, but everyone has a hand.

To add onto this, it's a super convenient wedge politically for lots of factions to use. Notice this shit really kicked in after Occupy Wall Street? In part due to gay marriage being settled, but it was definitely proven to be useful before then. Corporations can pay lip service to it, ignore other ethical concerns, and people will defend them for it. Anyone who wants to be opportunistic can find a way to weaponize it, since it's not really grounded in anything.

 

[Lovecraft's Cat]

I'm gonna assume a lot of people in this thread are women and lesbians so I just wanted to ask out of curiosity, did you only start shitting on trannies after they pissed you off personally and would you even give a shit about them if they just left you alone? Pretty much all women I've talked to have a set of similar and specific reasons for disliking trannies, none of which sprouts from "they're just freaks so I make fun of them."

A lot of it comes from trannies not just entering spaces biological women do not fucking want them in but also pretty much taking those spaces over, not just the attempts to date but the attempted guilting people into attaining partners and their general attitude just seeming to be hostile towards women whenever feeling even slightly slanted at all. What did I miss? I'm just trying to fully understand the justified hatred of trannies from women. I mean everyone has reasons to shit on them nowadays due to them literally being the harbingers of internet censorship but I don't think they're as much of a blight on men since gay dudes can openly say they don't like transmen and not get banned or their subreddit taken down whereas women can't do the same. I'm just curious if any of you would even give a fuck about them at all if it weren't for the current state of affairs.

This got posted yesterday and generated quite the discussion. Here are some posts that I think sum up the, for lack of a better term, TERF view on transgenderism.

Spoiler: Quite Big

There were a few posts I wanted to quote that aren't in here, so check out the thread if you haven't yet

[minor pl removed]

in "queer" spaces today it's impossible for mtf trannies not to piss you off
the narcissism and gaslighting is enough even outside of the sexual predation
convinced any amount of exposure irl or not to mtfs has the makings of a peak
responding to your question, i still hate mtfs even if they personally leave me alone
because they're never leaving everyone alone, there's always some other poor chick

if i have to thank trannies for one thing it's being hypervisible and easily avoided
most predators actually want to blend in and not call any attention to themselves
mtfs know ftms and nbs are often lesbians (for real), they're often agp rape targets
more so than normal women i'd even say because they're already drinking koolaid
pedo trannies and pedo apologist trannies are absolutely everywhere too trust me

edit: not surprised at all that 'transmascs' are warring with reddit agps. it's inevitable.
ftms and nbs are in what can only be considered an abusive relationship with them.
the fault of whoever's brilliant idea it was to class aging uwu coomers with teen girls.

edit 2: it's uncool to say on this here but sometimes i feel for TIFfies. please wake up.

Lady here, but straight. I got turned off by the Trans movement when MtF began forcing their way into women’s spaces.
All of my interactions with trans women happened in the late 90s and they never really seemed to believe they were women. Maybe they used the ladies room but they never pretended they were oppressed or dealt with random shit women did. they knew when push came to shove they could throw down in a way we couldn’t. There was also the fact that these folks were known factors in the community. They didn’t just show up and start hitting on women. Each individual had a chance to prove themselves and when they did, they were accepted. Just like any other person in any other group.

Now, trying to get into women's prisons? Women’s DV shelters? Shaming people for not wanting to have sex with them in the name of liberal values? Hell no. I’m all for letting them have a space to their own, but it’s irresponsible to put a guy in with a bunch of vulnerable women.

I was fine using pronouns and making sure you couldn’t get fired for wearing a dress. That just falls under kindness and common sense for me, but this is taking the game of pretend too far. So here I am.

I hate them for pretty much every reason another homosexual woman would.

But they are freaks and I would always make fun of them anyway because they are fucking losers who can't use makeup for shit and the most pathetic pieces of trash to ever grace this poor, godforsaken planet. Just look at them. When I went to school, we bullied freaks until they straightened out and learned how to be normal and it's a crying shame that's not an acceptable way of dealing with them anymore.

While I never fully bought the whole TWAW spiel, I had no issues with troons until they moved the goalpost from "We shouldn't be assaulted/denied employment" to "Lesbians should suck dick or die." And you know what? I'm glad they did. It opened my eyes to how harmful gender ideology is, even in it's mildest form. Even the "super based, self-aware, tru transexual" troons are severely mentally ill people mutilating themselves and calling it healthcare. Allowing males, even nice meek fem ones, access to women's spaces erodes their safety. Why should we have to warp our language and re-structure our society to protect the delusions of coombrained men?

My friends have been fighting these motherfuckers since the 70s, when they started forcing their way into women's only spaces and women's sports. Before that they were just seen for what they are, which is mentally ill fetishists.

I personally don’t have a deep, meaningful reason for hating trannies. I actually sympathized with them as a teen and had a phase where I thought I might’ve been one, but my mind changed because they started taking over online art spaces with their ugly, soulless, narcissistic scribbles that were just an excuse to make fictional characters say “trans rights” or “kill terfs.” The combination of ugly art and hateful messages got on my nerves even though I was on their side. I’d be scrolling through my phone trying to find a drawing that looked like it took more than five seconds to make, but get hit with “black disabled Jewish autistic transmasc he/they lesbian Hello Kitty says terfs deserve a baseball bat to the skull.” I thought to myself that there had to be other people who saw how ridiculous this was, which led me to the SJW art thread, which eventually led me to this thread and peaked me completely.

In short, I started hating trannies because they personally annoyed me by being shitty artists, but nowadays I hate them for all the other reasons everyone’s mentioned here.

The "fuck this, I'm done pretending" moment for me was seeing a photo from one of the pussy hat protests, where a stunning and brave woman was wearing a crocheted erect penis hat, because pussy hats are transphobic. That was the crystallizing moment where I realized these people claim to be women, but don't care about them. That they demand support but provide none. That they will actively intrude on women's spaces and women's movements and cry about how it makes them feel. That they're fucking ghouls counting down the days until they can harvest dead women's wombs for transplants. Hard time getting in to an ob/gyn? It's going to be harder now with Zoey wanting affirming care for her uniquely mangled crotch and sucking up appointment slots. Unlearn your genital preference, lesbians. No, this is nothing like corrective rape, you transphobic piece of shit. I'll fucking rape you for that!

I'm not gay, and unless they're stealth as fuck, lucky enough to not know any trannies. They just make women's lives worse by existing.

They insist women are caricatures and womanhood is something you can perform. They turn being a woman into something that's a social or psychological phenomenon, and it's almost always negative or sexualised, with no consideration for women as individuals. If you don't agree with their submissive pink porn fantasy as an actual woman, they tell you that you're also a troon in denial. I despise it, if that makes me mad or bitter, I don't care.

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What the hell are these dudes doing that makes them lose their balance from cooming? First of all, I'd assume estrogen would dampen a man's sex drive. Is the AGP THAT strong that they're having these otherworldly orgasms just from the knowledge they're taking estrogen? And muscles shaking for half an hour after the coom? Sir, you might want to get checked for a seizure disorder.
Quick reminder that if you don't have female anatomy you will never have a "female orgasm" by definition.

Spoiler: Some powerleveling

Straight woman here. Personally, I've never liked trannies. I saw them as delusional organ choppers but I used to feel somewhat sad for them because they were mentally ill individuals. Nobody chooses to have a mental illness after all.

I've started losing that little bit of sympathy when trannies kept insisting that they're not mentally ill, just misunderstood. Some of them acknowledged that they were mentally ill, but they also believed that the only way to cure their illness was to indulge in it. Which sounded totally insane to me, because we don't do the same for any other mental illness. But I wasn't worried much about that, because I was sure that majority of people knew better enough to not play along with their delusions.

But as the time went on, public opinion regarding to trannies changed. Many people started agreeing that they are completely sane for taking synthetic hormones and cutting off their genitals. People believing in gender ideology became more common. Many people I've knew online started trooning out. Some of them trooned out because of their insecurities. Some of them trooned out because other troons groomed them. Some of them trooned out because of a fetish.

But one thing they all had in common? They all became insufferable after trooning out. All of them.

They would do creepy shit like announcing their fetishes to the public, threatening to commit suicide if you don't do everything they want, stealing their relative's outfits to "experience" their gender, encouraging naive children and confused teens to take hormones and so on. After all of these, I lost my sympathy for them completely. It's one thing to deny reality, but making others suffer for not doing the same is another.

I'm a gay dude, my problems with troons are myriad starting with fucking up the sciences, including preying on children, and ending somewhere around them actively trying to erase my own identity:

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Besides attacking women, besides preying on children, besides defending pedophiles, these freaks are going to set back my personal rights decades if they keep their shit up (you can see examples of people blaming homos for tranny bullshit in this very thread), and at the risk of PLing, yeah, I take that personally.

All that on top of most of them being literal filthy degenerates who don't belong in any civilized society, of course.

I think that this personal hate is part of the reason why Sideshows can't be normal for more than five minutes. Certain TERFs end up getting emotional over the content in the thread, which inevitably leads to them sperging about how [insert Marxist oppressor class] is at fault for causing transgenderism, in turn leading to autists remarking that anyone who thinks that [said oppressor class] is at fault is a retarded faggot, provoking even more TERFs, etc. etc. until they get tired of slap-fighting. Why can't we all just relax? Can't we at least vent some place else?