Georgia 'LYNCHING' citizen fatally shoots unarmed black man ... Video Emerges, Grand Jury to Convene



The fatal shooting of Ahmaud Arbery -- a 25-year-old black man out for a jog when he was chased and killed -- was caught on video, prompting a call for a grand jury to review the case.

Arbery's death is being referred to as a modern-day lynching, as he was unarmed when he was gunned down in Brunswick, GA on February 23 by a white citizen named Travis McMichael ... who has not been arrested or charged. He also happens to be the son of a former district attorney investigator.

As you can see in the video, Arbery was jogging when he was stopped by McMichael and his father in a white pickup truck. McMichael was armed with a shotgun. Arbery appears to attempt to run around the truck before he and McMichael start grappling.

After at least 2 shots, the men continued struggling over the gun ... until Arbery stumbles away, shot in the mid-section, and then collapses to the ground. He was later pronounced dead.
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McMichael has not been charged in the shooting ... reportedly because he and his father, who was in the back of the truck, claim they were trying to make a citizen's arrest. They claim Ahmaud fit the description of a suspect in a string of recent break-ins in the area.

After the emergence of the video, D.A. Pro Tempore Tom Durden has decided the case "should be presented to the grand jury of Glynn County for consideration of criminal charges against those involved in the death of Mr. Arbery.”

Ahmaud's family says the use of deadly force was unnecessary.

Here's the statement from the district attorney who was brought in to oversee the case and decide how and whether the case should be prosecuted.
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Attorney Lee Merritt, who represents Arberys mother, claims "The series of events captured in this video confirm what all the evidence indicated prior to its release— Ahmaud Arbery was pursued by three white men that targeted him solely because of his race and murdered him..."


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Imagine being hunted by two fat hillbillies in a truck.
 
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Here's my whole issue with this whole incident:

Self defense is now basically broiled too if you instigate any part of an event, you can no longer use it even if a guy grabs your gun, which would be a return acceleration which was never how the law worked prior. At this point if you "aggress" a black man he can take your gun and shoot your whole family and that would be considered justified by most lawyers because because. I wonder if the same would be true for these politicians and judges in reverse.

It's now practically made legal thanks to Republicucks to enter people's private property and ignoring intent from a person's criminal history (Arberys) just because they don't want to acknowledge black people do have motives and intent for crime based on past action.

It has further corrupted the court system, say whatever you want about McMichael and crew people can at least admit they pulled some really stupid tricks, but people refuse to admit that Arbery was doing a bunch of illicit tricks and dumb moves in multiple areas.

Lastly, now people who are casing out joints to steal can merely not steal anything go with the pleading excuse "But he didn't steal anything." Then wait until something worth stealing arrives on a construction site, and since it's now practically legal precedent with everyone saying they go to empty construction sites as a normal American past time which is quite frankly bullshit, as someone who's dad once ran a construction crew as a manager. Hundreds of thousands of dollars merchandise more than what's already stolen will be up for risk. Most construction crews and groups WILL throw your ass out if they catch you in their construction site, and don't like morons wandering about, my dad used to tell me of a story where he threatened to beat some guys head in with a pipe if he didn't get his ass off his site when he was younger. So no, it's not normal, and no it's not an American past time, and if people need such a hobby when walking, get an MP3 player or buy a dog.

When I jog in my area if I take three steps on someone's property line on the outskirts of their property they get pretty antagonistic about it or start eye balling me like crazy and you're telling me Arbery walking in to construction sites empty or not and acting like he owned the place didn't draw ire form the people calling police about the repeat trespassing? Stop lying.

Even if the property was empty, you never know who you'll meet at an empty construction site, or non-used property. There are countless horror stories of people getting killed by gangs at empty construction sites, thefts, rapes, etc. So let's say Arbery was schizo like has been claimed: Why the heck would you let someone like that go walking on his own without keeping tabs as family to make sure his well being is well kept? Either they didn't give a shit which is pretty obvious, or they hoped there was a potential pay day.

And before someone goes "WEll if it was private property it'd be different" No. It wouldn't: That time a burglar broke into a family home got trapped into a garage for a month or so while the family was on vacation and then sued the family whose house he broke into and won disproves that. People are just trying to excuse ARbery by scapegoating the fact McMichael's and crew screwed up. Had they not had guns I guarantee Arbery would have assaulted them and since Mc and crew were overweight and not the fittest Jims he probably would have mangled them and then people would have justified it with "Oh but they chased him with vehicles." "Oh but why do you need three men to confront a random jogger." The plausible deniability excuses will never end for Arbery.

And if you are entering and trespassing on people's private property or violating their property rights like Almaud has done prior my only advice is :
How much of a fucking retard to you have to be to not realize that self defense doesn’t apply if you’re committing a felony? Which they were, by virtue of false imprisonment and assault?
 
How much of a fucking retard to you have to be to not realize that self defense doesn’t apply if you’re committing a felony? Which they were, by virtue of false imprisonment and assault?
So if someone commits a portion of a crime, that gives someone free way to do whatever they want to you at that point? It's funny because cops catch felons all the time and "use self defense on them" and yet still get tried in court for going over board with their claim of "self-defense" despite such a claim of the person in question committing a felony prior to them drawing their gun.

Edit: How fucking retarded do you have to be to not realize self-defense isn't a catch all in a situation?
 
So if someone commits a portion of a crime, that gives someone free way to do whatever they want to you at that point? It's funny because cops catch felons all the time and "use self defense on them" and yet still get tried in court for going over board with their claim of "self-defense" despite such a claim of the person in question committing a felony prior to them drawing their gun.

Edit: How fucking retarded do you have to be to not realize self-defense isn't a catch all in a situation?
Wow your fucking retarded.
 
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Not really; the entire war in Afghanistan cost $2.3 trillion. The infrastructure bill is a trillion dollars and the build back better plan is another half. I'm not saying 20 years of war is a good use of money, but considering how little infrastructure you, as a middle class, tax-paying citizen, will benefit from for all of this deficit spending, it's basically the same category of lighting money on fire. That's like $5.5k for every man woman and child in the country; it's not an insignificant amount of money.

The Federal government is way too big and you get virtually nothing from them except the FBI spending $50 million per arrest to track down unarmed boomers giving themselves a self-guided tour of the Capitol. Oh, and then hitting people with Federal charges in case a jury of their peers "wrongly" comes to a not guilty verdict in the State case.

The rest of the budget is all gibs for unemployed criminals, drug addicts and corrupt NGOs making tens of millions of dollars off some bullshit "equity" program.

Every time these fucks pass a bill like this, they should make all the people who voted for it roll up their sleeves, palletize it in cash, and load the many, many tractor trailers it would take to move all that money. Every dollar they spend is a dollar someone could have spent on themselves, or saved to make a better life for their families. It's just a number to these people; they never see the consequences of their actions and they don't live with the people getting crushed by their disastrous fiscal and monetary policy.

It really pisses me off when I hear people talk about government spending like "oh, this thing only cost $x billion dollars". Those are dollars people earned and the politicians do not give a single fuck. It's disrespectful.
 
So if someone commits a portion of a crime, that gives someone free way to do whatever they want to you at that point? It's funny because cops catch felons all the time and "use self defense on them" and yet still get tried in court for going over board with their claim of "self-defense" despite such a claim of the person in question committing a felony prior to them drawing their gun.

Edit: How fucking retarded do you have to be to not realize self-defense isn't a catch all in a situation?
Self defense was the only defense they were going with initially. The citizens arrest bullshit they brought up to save themselves along with the “we were deputized!!!!” shit came way later. Because guess what, some random cop saying, “yeah this guys an ex cop he’s worth calling to come take a look if you’re worried” is very different than deputizing the guy.

Self defense was and is basically the only justification they have, and in every way they fucked it up. The deputizing argument falls apart since they were never asked to ask as such by the police. The citizens arrest falls apart since they don’t meet either qualification - they didn’t see the crime and they had no indication it was a crime at all. Their use of force was excessive too, as all they had to do was follow, if that.

You’re a complete mongoloid who doesn’t get that these fuckheads almost got away with murder because one knew the prosecutor and used her influence to avoid getting arrested or a full investigation happening.
 
Self defense was the only defense they were going with initially. The citizens arrest bullshit they brought up to save themselves along with the “we were deputized!!!!” shit came way later. Because guess what, some random cop saying, “yeah this guys an ex cop he’s worth calling to come take a look if you’re worried” is very different than deputizing the guy.

Self defense was and is basically the only justification they have, and in every way they fucked it up. The deputizing argument falls apart since they were never asked to ask as such by the police. The citizens arrest falls apart since they don’t meet either qualification - they didn’t see the crime and they had no indication it was a crime at all. Their use of force was excessive too, as all they had to do was follow, if that.

You’re a complete mongoloid who doesn’t get that these fuckheads almost got away with murder because one knew the prosecutor and used her influence to avoid getting arrested or a full investigation happening.
First part: irrelevant to what I said.

I never argued whether they were deputized, even if they were creating a felony and had guns aimed at Arbery, that doesn't give Arbery due cause to just grab their guns shoot them one by one if you are arguing Arbery was pulling self defense. Self defense itself isn't a catch all FOR ANY retaliatory act. Which is what my specific point was when people bring up even if you argue that line of reasoning: Because let's say Arbery got the shotgun what was his next move? Either he gets shot by the father with a magnum in the vehilce, or from behind he was stuck in a three way "gunners triangle."

I never said they didn't pull stupid boners, you seem to be an angry mongoloid who doesn't get that Arbery wasn't guilt free or completely devoid of the implications of his actions. This has nothing to do with McMichaels who literally have 23 charges, while the rest can pretend the patron saint of Jogging Arbery gets canonized right next to his brother Floyd.
 
First part: irrelevant to what I said.

I never argued whether they were deputized, even if they were creating a felony and had guns aimed at Arbery, that doesn't give Arbery due cause to just grab their guns shoot them one by one if you are arguing Arbery was pulling self defense. Self defense itself isn't a catch all FOR ANY retaliatory act. Which is what my specific point was when people bring up even if you argue that line of reasoning: Because let's say Arbery got the shotgun what was his next move? Either he gets shot by the father with a magnum in the vehilce, or from behind he was stuck in a three way "gunners triangle."

I never said they didn't pull stupid boners, you seem to be an angry mongoloid who doesn't get that Arbery wasn't guilt free or completely devoid of the implications of his actions. This has nothing to do with McMichaels who literally have 23 charges, while the rest can pretend the patron saint of Jogging Arbery gets canonized right next to his brother Floyd.
“Wasn’t guilt free”

Motherfucker did nothing wrong in this case. He wasn’t guilty of shit. Complain all you want about lionizing a career criminal, but the fact is that Arbery didn’t deserve to fucking die. The people who read anything into his intent fucking murdered him. He’s dead. For all we know, he didn’t intend to do anything but take a look around like so many other people do in areas like this. There’s no evidence he committed a crime here. Why the fuck are you trying to put him on trial? He’s dead and he shouldn’t be. That’s why they were charged, that’s why they were found guilty.
 
“Wasn’t guilt free”

Motherfucker did nothing wrong in this case. He wasn’t guilty of shit. Complain all you want about lionizing a career criminal, but the fact is that Arbery didn’t deserve to fucking die. The people who read anything into his intent fucking murdered him. He’s dead. For all we know, he didn’t intend to do anything but take a look around like so many other people do in areas like this. There’s no evidence he committed a crime here. Why the fuck are you trying to put him on trial? He’s dead and he shouldn’t be. That’s why they were charged, that’s why they were found guilty.
"In this case." I'll beg to disagree based on the owners putting up cams and reporting trespassing in the neighborhood countless times.

I'll agree he didn't deserve to die, but that also attributed to his own poor judgement. You assume that if he had remained calmed and talked to them they still would have shot him, and there's no evidence to support that. However, once he grabbed that gun that flew out the window. Just because legally he didn't have to abide by them telling him to stop didn't mean common sense wise it was smart to dash for the shotgun and try to wrestle it, if you can't see why that's dumb as well, then no wonder black people will continue to die in such escelations.

I'm going to disagree, intent is based on details surrounding a suspect or person of interest, he was a career criminal who was known to steal, and for all intents and purposes it's easy to read between the lines he would have done it again or was doing it for obvious intent of theft or stealing. Just because he didn't take anythign at that time isn't instantly due to that not being the intent or motive, but merely could be because there was nothing too valuable at the sites.


Yes, so many people look around at those sites, despite no evidence put forward and people constantly calling cops for trespassing in the area due to such events. It was just a national past time, despite no one ever blogging about it or ever recording doing such things openly. Weird how that works huh?

I don't need to put him on trial, he found himself incompetent when he did dumb ass moves, and paid the price to other people pulling dumb ass moves. Simple as is.
 
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Not really; the entire war in Afghanistan cost $2.3 trillion. The infrastructure bill is a trillion dollars and the build back better plan is another half. I'm not saying 20 years of war is a good use of money, but considering how little infrastructure you, as a middle class, tax-paying citizen, will benefit from for all of this deficit spending, it's basically the same category of lighting money on fire. That's like $5.5k for every man woman and child in the country; it's not an insignificant amount of money.

The Federal government is way too big and you get virtually nothing from them except the FBI spending $50 million per arrest to track down unarmed boomers giving themselves a self-guided tour of the Capitol. Oh, and then hitting people with Federal charges in case a jury of their peers "wrongly" comes to a not guilty verdict in the State case.

The rest of the budget is all gibs for unemployed criminals, drug addicts and corrupt NGOs making tens of millions of dollars off some bullshit "equity" program.

Every time these fucks pass a bill like this, they should make all the people who voted for it roll up their sleeves, palletize it in cash, and load the many, many tractor trailers it would take to move all that money. Every dollar they spend is a dollar someone could have spent on themselves, or saved to make a better life for their families. It's just a number to these people; they never see the consequences of their actions and they don't live with the people getting crushed by their disastrous fiscal and monetary policy.

It really pisses me off when I hear people talk about government spending like "oh, this thing only cost $x billion dollars". Those are dollars people earned and the politicians do not give a single fuck. It's disrespectful.
Oh I'm well aware of all the useless shit and blatant corruption in government spending, I bet the infrastructure bill is mostly pork anyway as these gigantic packages usually are. I was just using an example. Hell I bet the pharmaceutical industry right now is milking the coronavirus for everything they can because they basically have a captive market.

People like to say "but it's free" a lot, but those people are economically illiterate and think that governments and corporations do things out of the kindness of their own hearts.

As far as gibs go they're fairly small in comparison to the absolute tsunami of pork that the trillion dollar bills have in them. Sure you can gripe about lazy fucks but Chris's Lego sets are microscopic in comparison to the massive amount of grift that politicians and contractors engage in.
 
I was referring to an earlier incident:
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Maybe I should clarify that in my previous posts I'm mainly focusing on what I think made the McMichaels and Bryan decide to chase Arbery.

I don't agree with MSM that their only motivation was racism where some dumb rednecks were going to hunt a black man just for being at the wrong place
and the wrong time.
It was a string of events that was building up for several months where a neighborhood becomes more and more wary, They get a feeling that police won't do anything about it. I can imagine that after those guns were stolen they became suspicious and paranoid of about everything and add to that a Greg McMichael being informally ‘deputized'.




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I'm not saying they were racist. I'm not saying Aubrey should be deified either. I'm saying he didn't deserve to be chased down and shot.

The MSM narrative is not one I'm parroting or justifying. They might have had good intentions. But you know what the road to hell is paved with. They were ignorant, reckless and possessed no understanding of the law. A retired deputy thought he still had cop powers and that is the most fucking obnoxious shit in the world. You're not a cop anymore. You don't get to posse up.

My entire point is that they had no fucking idea what they were doing and it lead to a man dying. Maybe there was a build up, but Aubrey didn't know that. There's no evidence he was even there before the day he was killed. They had no consideration of what they were doing. They thought he was the suspect they saw previously. That doesn't matter. They don't have a warrant. They don't get to investigate. He wasn't on any of their properties.

You cannot run someone down because you think they're the same guy. That's an incredibly dangerous line of thinking. And even if you feel the cops aren't doing anything, that doesn't give you the right to block someone off.

The McMichael's broke the law that day, Aubrey did not. And that is why they were convicted. The only thing you can make a case for is trespassing, and that's a misdemeanor, which means citizen's arrest doesn't apply either. And he wasn't trespassing. The property was open, there was no indication that he wasn't supposed to be there (Fencing, no trespassing signs, etc.). He simply looked around and left.
"In this case." I'll beg to disagree based on the owners putting up cams and reporting trespassing in the neighborhood countless times.

I'll agree he didn't deserve to die, but that also attributed to his own poor judgement. You assume that if he had remained calmed and talked to them they still would have shot him, and there's no evidence to support that. However, once he grabbed that gun that flew out the window. Just because legally he didn't have to abide by them telling him to stop didn't mean common sense wise it was smart to dash for the shotgun and try to wrestle it, if you can't see why that's dumb as well, then no wonder black people will continue to die in such escelations.

I'm going to disagree, intent is based on details surrounding a suspect or person of interest, he was a career criminal who was known to steal, and for all intents and purposes it's easy to read between the lines he would have done it again or was doing it for obvious intent of theft or stealing. Just because he didn't take anythign at that time isn't instantly due to that not being the intent or motive, but merely could be because there was nothing too valuable at the sites.


Yes, so many people look around at those sites, despite no evidence put forward and people constantly calling cops for trespassing in the area due to such events. It was just a national past time, despite no one ever blogging about it or ever recording doing such things openly. Weird how that works huh?

I don't need to put him on trial, he found himself incompetent when he did dumb ass moves, and paid the price to other people pulling dumb ass moves. Simple as is.
I don't know how to say this any clearer, but Aubery was NOT trespassing. Why do you think people put up fencing and 'No trespassing' signs? Its because if they don't, its not considered trespassing. A career criminal? The dude was a petty shoplifter and had one instance of trying to get inside of a house. 'Career criminal' implies, you know, that's how they make their money. Not to mention his mental illness. He could have just been a klepto for all anyone knows. You cannot speculate about his intent, because there's nothing to prove it one way or the other. The evidence is that he looked around and left.

And nobody knew who Aubrey was. You can't look at shit after the fact. The entirety of court cases are in the moment. In that moment, did they know who Aubrey was? No. In that moment, was Aubrey committing a crime? No. In that moment, was Aubrey acting unlawfully in any way? No. This is all that matters. It is completely their fault that he died. They were the aggressors. They didn't know who Aubrey was or any of his facts. They cornered a mentally ill man and constantly escalated the situation until it was out of their control. They weren't police. They had no authority to do what they did and even if Aubrey was trespassing, which he wasn't, they'd still be wrong because Citizen's Arrest requires a felony-level charge. So they'd still go to jail.

Again, they were completely ignorant of the law, had no idea what they were doing, and didn't even claim Citizen's Arrest until after the fact as their defense. They initially claimed self-defense, but that went out the window once they were the aggressors. Because if you are wrong about a Citizen's Arrest, you are responsible for any crimes you committ in the process of that arrest. False Imprisonment being one. They were wrong. This is why you call the police, because if you are wrong, there's a huge risk to you.
 
I think we can all agree that the cameraman involved got the worst deal.
He did, but in his police interview he basically said he was involved. This is why you always talk to a lawyer. He put himself in it. He didn't separate the case from the McMichaels, which nailed him. His council really fucking sucked to. Allegedly, he got a plea which would have dropped the murder parts I think if he testified against the other two, which might not have been properly communicatted to him.

The dude just got completely fucked.
 
This is why you always talk to a lawyer. He put himself in it. He didn't separate the case from the McMichaels, which nailed him. His council really fucking sucked to.
He had a better chance of getting off had he or his lawyer acted smart and distanced himself from his two gun-totting discount vigilantes.
 
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He had a better chance of getting off had he or his lawyer acted smart and distanced himself from his two gun-totting discount vigilantes.
Oh, I think if he separated the case there's no way he gets murder. I don't even think the prosecutor would have charged him with it, at least. He was just charged the same because he just joined his case, which was really fucking stupid because it was an advantage for the prosecution.

If he had kept quiet when talking to the police or just said "I heard a commotion, came out and started filming. That's it." Or even accepted a deal to testify, he'd be fine. But he and his lawyer made so many mistakes and fuck-ups that by the time trial rolled around, it was almost impossible for him to get off.
 
Oh, I think if he separated the case there's no way he gets murder. I don't even think the prosecutor would have charged him with it, at least. He was just charged the same because he just joined his case, which was really fucking stupid because it was an advantage for the prosecution.

If he had kept quiet when talking to the police or just said "I heard a commotion, came out and started filming. That's it." Or even accepted a deal to testify, he'd be fine. But he and his lawyer made so many mistakes and fuck-ups that by the time trial rolled around, it was almost impossible for him to get off.
Like you're trying to explain to this thread, these people who shot Arbury aren't exactly the brightest. So... natural selection all around.
 
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I don't know how to say this any clearer, but Aubery was NOT trespassing. Why do you think people put up fencing and 'No trespassing' signs? Its because if they don't, its not considered trespassing. A career criminal? The dude was a petty shoplifter and had one instance of trying to get inside of a house. 'Career criminal' implies, you know, that's how they make their money. Not to mention his mental illness. He could have just been a klepto for all anyone knows. You cannot speculate about his intent, because there's nothing to prove it one way or the other. The evidence is that he looked around and left.

Then why were teh cops even called about trespassing and with a repeat "person of color" in the neighborhood? AT best I could see people argue they aren't fully aware of their own laws of their state which is quite common. Heck with how complex the legal system is most people don't know the laws for driving let alone what is and isn't considered trespassing but with 87 some calls in the area for it, I think people were alarmed by the "trespassing occurrences."

We can certainly speculate on intent, that doesn't mean it's 100% accurate, but it's not like it's not possible to imply or think of the intent based on the actions there in. Someone broke into my house once and unscrewed all nails of my door, I never saw the person, they didn't take anything merely due to not having anything in the house, are you saying I can't impose that the intent was to steal something before they realized at the time I had nothing worthy of value in the house? It's a stretch to say the least.

And nobody knew who Aubrey was.
Yet had multiple sightings of him from what I've heard said at some of hte same places where he showed up multiple times.

" You can't look at shit after the fact."
But you can guage accurately how someone acted during the fact, and look at his past during it. This isn't a defense of McMichael's which is where my argument is being misconstrued.
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"he entirety of court cases are in the moment. In that moment, did they know who Aubrey was? No. In that moment, was Aubrey committing a crime? No. In that moment, was Aubrey acting unlawfully in any way? No. This is all that matters. It is completely their fault that he died. They were the aggressors. They didn't know who Aubrey was or any of his facts. They cornered a mentally ill man and constantly escalated the situation until it was out of their control. They weren't police. They had no authority to do what they did and even if Aubrey was trespassing, which he wasn't, they'd still be wrong because Citizen's Arrest requires a felony-level charge. So they'd still go to jail."

I'll just say this, if anyone is being hounded by people with guns, and asked to stop, and they attack one of the guys who is asking them to stop with a gun, regardless of what the law states, I'm going to think they are insane or stupid to charge a person with a gun. The reason is I can reason with intent that the person with the gun could shoot them if they wanted to but haven't and if multiple people have guns chasing said person, it's best to just cool out and find out what's happening before egging the situation on even more. Just because the law might not instantly agree, doesn't change the fact with common sense doing the opposite is an easy way to a casket. You can say you'd do the same thing as Arbery ,but in the end you'll be sharing the coffin with him if you do.

Just because McMichael's and crew were dumbasses again, does not change the fact that Arbery did some stupid things as well and or was acting like a dumbass. Just because he might have panicked and the McMichael's had no authority doesn't change the notion that if Arbery hadn't charged the shotgun he probably wouldn't be dead unless the McMichael's were just evil racist intent on blowing off his head anyway, and if that was the case he was screwed from the start. So nothing changes at all.

This whole argument reeks of the same issue with feminist and sexual assault/rape concepts and responsibility. People aren't saying they are responsible for being raped or assaulted because of what they wear, but if you make it easier to be as such, then it shows a sign of stupidity. It's like if someone breaks into your house and you didn't lock the door, that's not your fault burglars exist or thieves exist, but if you don't take that ounce of precaution you're being dumb despite what the law says, and in this case Arbery could have taken an ounce of precaution and if he couldn't because of mental illness per se, then he needed a handler to help him.

No one is saying McMichael's didn't act improper or without irresponsibility, but that doesn't excuse any irresponsibility or improper action on Arbery's case either, and people are going the extra mile to basically baby Arbery and people like him, and it's silly.
 
Like you're trying to explain to this thread, these people who shot Arbury aren't exactly the brightest. So... natural selection all around.
Yup, pretty much. I mean if people in the thread want brain dead retards playing cop, ok. But be careful what you wish for.
 
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