US Democrats Attempt to Use the Power of Christmas to Pass a Bill That’ll (Hopefully) Stop “Grinch Bots” From Buying Everything Up

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Democrats Attempt to Use the Power of Christmas to Pass a Bill That’ll (Hopefully) Stop “Grinch Bots” From Buying Everything Up​

On the first day of Christmas, democrats gave to me, a proposed bill that’ll stop bots from buying hot ticket items and reselling them at unreasonably high prices – in a pear tree.

While it is true that chip shortages have contributed to the rarity of things like the mirage that is the PS5, bots like the ones referred to in the Stopping Grinch Bots Act (yes, that is the name of the bill) aren’t helping matters, either.

Arguably, this has been an issue for as long as I can remember, and definitely an issue that exists beyond December 25th, but the holiday angle does add an extra sense of urgency, I suppose. It at least makes the issue more relatable, as politicians may not understand my mad dash to get a Funko of Fat Gum from My Hero Academia over the summer but I’m sure they understand getting a Christmas list from a tiny tot and balking at the price of their beloved (insert console or Cabbage Patch or whatever) because it’s only available at three times its actual price.

On Cyber Monday and with holiday shopping underway, Representative Paul Tonko (D-NY), Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-CT), Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-NY) and Senator Ben Ray Luján (D-NM) today announced the introduction of the Stopping Grinch Bots Act.Their bicameral bill will crack down on cyber Grinches using “bot” technology to quickly buy up whole inventories of popular holiday toys and resell them to parents at higher prices. These third-party sellers use bots to bypass security measures and manipulate online sales systems to buy toys, leading to some toys being almost impossible to buy online or in stores at retail prices, exacerbating shortages caused by stressed supply chains.
The Christmas analogy isn’t just in the name of the bill. Each representative made sure to keep the holiday theme going when discussing the proposed bill. “At a time when families should be able to spend time with their loved ones, digital ‘Grinch bots’ are forcing Americans to scour online sites in the hopes of finding an affordable gift or paying exorbitant prices for a single toy,” said Tonko. “These bots don’t just squeeze consumers, they pose a problem for small businesses, local retailers, and other entrepreneurs trying to ensure they have the best items in stock for their customers. Our Grinch Bots Act works to level the playing field and prevent scalpers from sucking hardworking parents dry this holiday season. I urge my colleagues to join me in passing this legislation immediately to stop these Grinch bots from stealing the holidays.”

The other representatives followed suit. Blumenthal, for instance, mentioned how these bots are ruining the holidays for kids because it’s near impossible to get these items before they’re marked up to ridiculously high prices. “New tools are needed to block cyber scammers who snap up supplies of popular toys and resell them at astronomic prices. Price gouging hot toys by Grinch bots should have zero tolerance.”

Schumer, working to add more oomph to the proposal, talked about how this has been a particularly trying year. Due to the extreme amount of exhaustion and stress 2020 the sequel has given us, “No parent or American should have to fork over hundreds – or even thousands – of dollars to buy Christmas and holiday gifts for their children and loved ones.”

Luján expressed similar sentiments but also added how the bill would help all year round and not just during the holidays. “This is a sacred time to be spent with family and loved ones. Americans should not be stressed financially by online algorithms that hoard high-demand toys and goods and resell them at huge margins. This critical legislation will protect New Mexico’s consumers during the holidays and year-round.”
Several organizations are in support of the bill, including Consumer Reports, the Consumer Federation of America, and the National Consumer League. The letter included data from 2017 that gave examples of items that had a tremendous markup after being sold out in stores.

● Fingerlings, which typically sell for $14.99, were out of stock online at Toys-“R”-Us, Walmart, and Target. However, the item was available for sale on Amazon and eBay for as much as $1,000 each.
● Super Nintendo entertainment system NES Classic Edition, which sells for $79.99, was out of stock online at BestBuy, Game Stop, and Target. However, the item was available on
Amazon and eBay for as much as $13,000.
● L.O.L. Surprise! Doll, which sells for $9.99, was out of stock online at Toys-“R”-Us, Target and Walmart. However, the item was available on Amazon and eBay for as much as $500.
● Barbie Hello Dreamhouse, which sells for $300, was out of stock online at Toys-“R”-Us.
Four years later and I’m sure we can all think of items that are going for thousands of dollars online when they are nowhere near that expensive.

I’m not sure how much progress will be made with this bill as this isn’t the first time it’s been introduced, according to PC Mag. However, reintroducing it during peak shopping season is smart, so I don’t blame them for the heavy-handed “Grinch” theme of it all. This is also hitting at a time during supply shortages, so it’s extra frustrating to have bots buying up everything 0.0001 seconds after a product goes live.

As an 80s kid who grew up in the “video games are pure evil” political era, I’m just amused at the idea of politicians getting Christmas lists from grandkids who want PS5s and waltzing into a store thinking that it’s readily available, only to be directed to an eBay listing that makes their wallet cry out for help. I imagine one of them going, “Someone should do something about this,” then realizing that, wait, they’re that somebody.

Hopefully.
 
And how are they going to prevent bots from being used? How do you prove something was bought by a bot and not a clickwar?

I want concrete answers, not just “we’ll make it illegal”. That’s the level of stupid that Britain tried with the licenses for internet porn.

Hell, you could argue that Ticketmaster and such are official scalpers as well, will this apply to them as well, making it so you can actually pay what the ticket has listed as the price rather than the 3x (at best) cost?
 
And how are they going to prevent bots from being used? How do you prove something was bought by a bot and not a clickwar?

I want concrete answers, not just “we’ll make it illegal”.

They'll defer it to an agency to set the actual implementation rules, then brag about how great they are while the agency derps out.

Why won't you just TRUST THE EXPERTS? What are you, some kind of... Russian bot?
 
Thank goodness. I was getting worried for video games nerds who were forced to play games on last gen 4k instead of next gen 4k and the manchildren/pedophiles who couldn't army build 20 dollar action figures and dolls.
 
"The gov may do something so I can finally get a PS5. Fucking chinks."
Chinese resellers are going through distribution channels for their stock. In the US, scalpers just use either free bots or pay for a cloud service one(Null could make one if he wanted: Hell, he'd probably make more had he done so than with his NFTs; I think Snail Bot turned a year old last month and made the developers something like 5-6 million dollars in the last year? I know Null's got the know-how.)
Anyway, the fact that anybody can make their own bot with a few days/weeks of study depending on how complicated the bot needs to be means that you can't exactly get rid of the bots via legislation. The whole point is that they're indistinguishable from human buyers on a website.

If retailers really wanted to stop bots (they don't), they'd just sell in-demand items in store where you can clearly limit purchases per customer per visit. Instead, every retailer (not counting amazon who is online only) both kept their stocks exclusively online but added a paywall to compete for a purchase opportunity against bots.

EDIT: A common argument I see is that they're not paying taxes on their sales, but that's because scalpers pay the sales tax up front when buying at retail; the item has already had its sales tax paid. Resellers (the documented sort) are exempt from sales taxes on their purchases because they charge the tax to the consumer at the point of sale.
 
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I am, in theory, fully behind this. Scalpers are scum and deserve to have a bucket of lava dropped on their Minecraft houses.

But most of these bots are in other countries. The only thing we could really do is outlaw third party resale of new products, and that's not a line anyone wants to cross. And there's no way in hell the Chinese or Indian governments would cooperate with us in a crackdown on scalping, because they don't give a shit. They think it's a good thing.

The solution here is to publicly shame people who buy from scalpers until it has the same stigma as bestiality. No demand means no supply. I don't care if your kid is whining extra hard today, if you buy something for triple the price from a Bangladeshi scalper, you're part of the problem and you're teaching your kid a whole host of really terrible lessons in the process.
 
If retailers really wanted to stop bots (they don't), they'd just sell in-demand items in store where you can clearly limit purchases per customer per visit. Instead, every retailer (not counting amazon who is online only) both kept their stocks exclusively online but added a paywall to compete for a purchase opportunity against bots.
The only retailer I know of that has stopped bots is GameStop. If you're part of their Pro Rewards program, one of the things you get is early dibs on PS5s and shit; that's how I guy I know got one, and I'm guessing that's where their stock is going, because every store is saying "go online" and those never seem to be available for the normal shoppers.
 
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Ah, I remember when the government tried to pass a bill JUST like this one back in 2019...

That said, there's a LOT that could be done to counteract bots (Gov't-issued ID checks, credit card checks, shipping/billing address checks, discontinuation of guest purchasing, etc.) but the main issue is that, when it comes to the top brass, companies genuinely don't give a shit about who they're selling to since they're still making a sale.
And how are they going to prevent bots from being used? How do you prove something was bought by a bot and not a clickwar?

I want concrete answers, not just “we’ll make it illegal”. That’s the level of stupid that Britain tried with the licenses for internet porn.

Hell, you could argue that Ticketmaster and such are official scalpers as well, will this apply to them as well, making it so you can actually pay what the ticket has listed as the price rather than the 3x (at best) cost?
I hope so. Ticketmaster are absolutely scalpers.
If this NBC report is any indication then Ticketmaster being a bunch of scalping chucklefucks has been known since at least 2018.
The only retailer I know of that has stopped bots is GameStop. If you're part of their Pro Rewards program, one of the things you get is early dibs on PS5s and shit; that's how I guy I know got one, and I'm guessing that's where their stock is going, because every store is saying "go online" and those never seem to be available for the normal shoppers.
Gamestop's also been doing bundles deals (specifically the system, a couple of games, a digital gift card, and occasionally some extra accessories) where it's far more difficult for scalpers to turn a profit. As far as the whole "tying access to certain products behind premium memberships" bit I know a few stores have been doing it in recent years: Walmart's been doing it too for some of their high-demand products (you need a Walmart+ membership to buy a system), Target occasionally locks products behind their Red Card, and Best Buy tested it out with their Best Buy TotalTech membership but they discontinued that offering after they got clowned for both the price of said membership ($199.99 a year) and tying certain products behind it (the most notable being a Pokemon TCG Elite Trainer Box that has an MSRP of $59.99).
 
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lol their stupid policies ar causing shortages, so now they are trying to enforce rationing.
people should CONSOOMing all that crap anyways
 
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