Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[FunPosting101]

Hopefully you got her boyfriend vaxed as well.

More seriously, there's little to no evidence to suggest that this new variant is somehow more dangerous than the previous ones. Kinda the opposite right now, actually. Given this, I see even less reason to get vaccinated for this thing.

 

[TheTrumanShow]

No, you are. Prove that respirators actually work. Go ahead, I'm waiting. You chose to come here with your claims, now back them up.

Quote me where I say they work.
Just like you can quote me where I say it's akin to HIV.

You can't again, get bent.

You on the other hand DO have an active claim that they killed 10 times more people than they helped.

 

[Hollywood Hitler]

Its not akin to HIV, it's the worst thing *since* HIV.

How so? Because people actually end up dying because HIV, while nobody dies because of COVID.

 

[FunPosting101]

Hopefully you got her boyfriend vaxed as well.

In all seriousness, why in the fuck are people afraid of this new variant when it's significantly less harmful then previous variants? Are people really that dumb?

 

[Sanshain]

Quote me where I say they work.
Just like you can quote me where I say it's akin to HIV.

You can't again, get bent.

You on the other hand DO have an active claim that they killed 10 times more people than they helped.

So you have no evidence. I knew it.

 

[teriyakiburns]

In all seriousness, why in the fuck are people afraid of this new variant when it's significantly less harmful then previous variants? Are people really that dumb?

Some are. Most are just not paying attention and believe what they're told.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

More seriously, there's little to no evidence to suggest that this new variant is somehow more dangerous than the previous ones. Kinda the opposite right now, actually. Given this, I see even less reason to get vaccinated for this thing.

That reminds me of this article.

World Health Organization publishes the horrific death toll from the Omicron variant of COVID

Yes, the death toll is horrific – if you are a power-hungry totalitarian wannabe looking for an excuse to impose controls on your citizens. Brendan Cole reports for Newsweek: The World Health Organization (WHO) has said that as of Friday, ...

www.americanthinker.com

December 5, 2021

World Health Organization publishes the horrific death toll from the Omicron variant of COVID​

By Thomas Lifson

Yes, the death toll is horrific – if you are a power-hungry totalitarian wannabe looking for an excuse to impose controls on your citizens. Brendan Cole reports for Newsweek:

The World Health Organization (WHO) has said that as of Friday, there have been no fatalities linked to Omicron but warned it could take several weeks to determine how infectious the new COVID-19 variant is.
The WHO's assurance comes as the new variant first detected in South Africa last week has now been recorded in 38 countries. In the United States, at least 29 cases of Omicron across 11 states have been reported.

Yes, Omicron is new, and it is possible that in a few weeks’ time, we will see some deaths attributed to it. Probably in people with other serious conditions. But South Africa, which has reported cases first, sees it as mild.
My hope is that the chicken little response of so many Western governments, using it as an excuse to repress their citizenry, will open a few more eyes to the scam being perpetrated in the name of public health. An even greater hope – one that depends on the track record of harm from Omicron that will unfold in the next couple of months – is that not only will the symptoms be mild, but that Omicron will confer immunity on those who recover. Possibly superior immunity to that provided by the experimental mRNA gene therapies being pushed by many of the same people peddling fear and offering repression.
We’ll watch and wait, and hope for the best.

 

[MadStan]

I thought the temperature on here would have been lower as a result of the preliminary findings on Omicron.

It is all pretty much great news. A virus that is milder; spreads quicker and will likely impart natural protection from other strains to a degree and may overrun the more lethal forms that rise up giving us what we hoped for:

Covid akin to the common cold and the end of the epidemic in sight.

Things are looking pretty sweet with almost a certainty that before the holidays, there should be concrete data out there suggesting enough that we can live with this new strain and that in all probability, this moment reflects an inflection point in the pandemic.

Glass is half full.

 

[UVB-76]

will likely impart natural protection from other strains

Except that we have no fucking clue if the vaccinated will get natural protection from it.
What if they just keep calling back the 2019 Wuhan strain S-antibodies, especially since people are getting freshly boosted with unchanged formulas, just different dosages?

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

In all seriousness, why in the fuck are people afraid of this new variant when it's significantly less harmful then previous variants? Are people really that dumb?

But it sounds so scary! Omicron! oooooooo

 

[Kujo Jotaro]

Oh good, you would attribute.

Yes, the welfare state is under pressure in every country for various reasons. It doesn't detract from the fact that what we had and what was working reasonably well up until the pandemic was completely overwhelmed. Had we invested in such to capacity prior to handle this and no pandemic had happened then that money would have been wasted. In fact, despite brigning in reserve breathing machines from both storage and military stocks it still wasn't enough in most countries at the worst time. But just ignore that.

Right, ICU nurses that "do that to themselves". First of all, can you for the love of god actually articulate your thoughts, like I'm not a mindreader. Do that "emotional distress and sleep deprivation to themselves?" I'm only guessing here. Maybe they could have stayed at home leaving even more elderly people and others with even less care and possibly to die without an other human being close to them. How are they "usually" stuck up? Do you have like an unusually large array of ICU nurses that you have known throughout your life or something?



You're such a degenerate. It's good there are druggies, schizos and trailer trash out there so you have someone to look down at.


None of your arguments, both those valid in general and the more diatribe like detract from the fact that what we had overwhelmed us both institutionally and for those professionals working there emotionally and physically. The fact that I have to argue that this was a serious disease epidemic, perhaps the most serious we've had since HIV is a fucking joke in of itself. Like how can someone be as thick as you.

Then again, it's the same on the other side of the spectrum, literally and figuratively, gozzling up anything their authorities tell them like blind obedient little sheep. So I guess that this is your kinds delayed teenage rebellion, a hail mary against the decomposing social order. Nothing is good out there, everyone are lying about everything and you have all the answers, which ofcourse include that old people might as well lay down and die out of breath and that nurses awake for 24 hours straight are essentially full of it.


How edgy.

Try to be more succinct next time, I can't be bothered to read your rambling.

 

[MadStan]

Except that we have no fucking clue if the vaccinated will get natural protection from it.
What if they just keep calling back the 2019 Wuhan strain S-antibodies, especially since people are getting freshly boosted with unchanged formulas, just different dosages?

Maybe, maybe not.

I said it might.

Probably the new variant will breakthrough in most vaccinated people and in all likelihood all those with natural immunity from a genuine infection also. It is after all quite a different strain; so I expect significant breakthrough.

But if it is very mild, it might be a blessing. It will take some time to establish if an infection from this Omicron will impart a mild case of disease as well as antibodies against other strains of Covid - but it likely will.

We might have a global sweep of Omicron that essentially bests a vaccination jab in providing protection.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

Maybe, maybe not.

I said it might.

Probably the new variant will breakthrough in most vaccinated people and in all likelihood all those with natural immunity from a genuine infection also. It is after all quite a different strain; so I expect significant breakthrough.

But if it is very mild, it might be a blessing. It will take some time to establish if an infection from this Omicron will impart a mild case of disease as well as antibodies against other strains of Covid - but it likely will.

We might have a global sweep of Omicron that essentially bests a vaccination jab in providing protection.

Milder than a virus where the average age of death is 82, and the mortality rate is 1%? And people are still flipping their shit over a media weaponised snuffles?


How do you manage to so clearly and wholeheartedly buy into any of this bullshit nigh on two years on?

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

In South Africa they're saying re-infection is higher with Omicron, and immunity from vaccines is probably also very low (dixit Paul Hunter of University of East Anglia)

They said that about Alpha..and Beta..and Delta. They say the Vaccine is super duper effective, but get boosters anyways. It is all fucking bullshit doublespeak.

 

[MadStan]

Milder than a virus where the average age of death is 82, and the mortality rate is 1%? And people are still flipping their shit over a media weaponised snuffles?


How do you manage to so clearly and wholeheartedly buy into any of this bullshit nigh on two years on?

It is easy to tell someone who has not read much quality data about the virus; and has been watching news sources skewing the data.

Your stats quoted have been debunked a thousand times and there isn't a need to address it because you won't change your mind because you won't admit you were wrong. The irony being you were always wrong because you were never right.

The issue at hand that the adults are discussing (so pay attention) is the critical issue of whether we have a strain in play that effectively can end this pandemic in 2022 and whether this strain is sending up a red flare that the virus is mutating into a less harmful strain that can overrun the globe quickly and likely force more dangerous strains into local clusters rather than sweep globally.

The virus possibly picking up genetic material from another virus is of critical importance also to scientists because if it can happen this early on; it is likely to happen again and also it means Omicron itself is likely to also again mutate. To a numbskull this doesn't mean much, to anyone looking at Swine and Bird Flu is carries an incredible amount of weight.

Your bacon might come back to bite you.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Has anyone on KF died of the coof? No? Well then, everyone saying the sky is falling go read Candide again.

 

[Kujo Jotaro]

It is easy to tell someone who has not read much quality data about the virus; and has been watching news sources skewing the data.

Your stats quoted have been debunked a thousand times and there isn't a need to address it because you won't change your mind because you won't admit you were wrong. The irony being you were always wrong because you were never right.

The issue at hand that the adults are discussing (so pay attention) is the critical issue of whether we have a strain in play that effectively can end this pandemic in 2022 and whether this strain is sending up a red flare that the virus is mutating into a less harmful strain that can overrun the globe quickly and likely force more dangerous strains into local clusters rather than sweep globally.

The virus possibly picking up genetic material from another virus is of critical importance also to scientists because if it can happen this early on; it is likely to happen again and also it means Omicron itself is likely to also again mutate. To a numbskull this doesn't mean much, to anyone looking at Swine and Bird Flu is carries an incredible amount of weight.

Your bacon might come back to bite you.

So what is your proposed method of containment? We've tried lock downs, we've tried vaccines, we've tried masks; all of these did little to stem the flow of the virus and its mutations in the grander scheme. So what do we do? Really you're faced with two options, drag out the inevitable, or accept the situation for what it is and admit its beyond our control.

 

[borsabil]

I thought the temperature on here would have been lower as a result of the preliminary findings on Omicron.

It is all pretty much great news. A virus that is milder; spreads quicker and will likely impart natural protection from other strains to a degree and may overrun the more lethal forms that rise up giving us what we hoped for:

Covid akin to the common cold and the end of the epidemic in sight.

Things are looking pretty sweet with almost a certainty that before the holidays, there should be concrete data out there suggesting enough that we can live with this new strain and that in all probability, this moment reflects an inflection point in the pandemic.

Glass is half full.

They have worked out the disease profile of Omicron Covid. There are thousands of people who've caught it and in a few weeks, yes weeks, millions more.

We're being told that it's more infectious. The evidence for this are a couple of mass spreading events, one in Norway, at a private party attended by exclusively vaccinated people, and another party in Scotland of which we're not being told much so I assume involved vaccinated people (if it was unvaxxed they'd be shouting it from the roof tops). Infection rates from both events were around 50%, which is insanely high.

Does this speak to the easy transmisability of the new strain or the deranged immunity of the vaccinated? We don't know. But it sure as fuck speaks to the utter uselessness of the vaccines. They now know without a scintilla of doubt that vaccine acquired immunity is no longer a thing and yet they still demand the unvaxxed get the jab and the already double jabbed get a booster. Why? Because the unvaccinated risk severe disease?

Zambia : New Omicron variant is causing mild disease -South African Medical Research Council

Lusaka - Zambia: A key question regarding the new Omicron outbreak is whether disease severity is similar, milder or more severe than with the other variants,

www.lusakatimes.com

In a report the SAMRC said the main observation that they have made over the last two weeks is that the majority of patients in the COVID wards have not been oxygen dependent. SARS-CoV-2 has been an incidental finding in patients that were admitted to the hospital for other medical, surgical or obstetric reason.Therefore the SARS-CoV-2 positivity is an incidental finding in these patients and is largely driven by hospital policy requiring testing of all patients requiring admission to the hospital.The exponential increase in the positivity rate in these patients is a reflection of the rapidly increased case rate for Tshwane but does not appear to be associated with a concomitant increase in the rate of admissions for severe COVID (pneumonia) based on the high proportion of patients not requiring supplemental oxygen.

6% of Zambia's population have been vaccinated so it's safe to assume that the vast majority of the positive cases are in purebloods. A disease so mild that the only way they're able to detect infection is through incidental testing for hospital inpatients who otherwise wouldn't even know they were carrying it.

It's not that they suspect that Covid has mutated into the common cold, they fucking well know it has. So again why the fuck are governments continuing to mandate vaccine administration, in some countries on pain of imprisonment? The vaccines offer no protection whatsoever against infection, transmission or symptomatic disease but they're determined to make us take it.

Omicron concerns should spur millions of unvaccinated Americans to get their Covid shots, experts say

As the new Covid-19 Omicron variant spurs global travel bans, experts say concerns over its impact should prompt millions of unvaccinated Americans to get their shots -- and for those who are eligible, to get their boosters.

edition.cnn.com

"I would hope that within the next week or two weeks, so many of those people will take advantage of the vaccine," Dr. William Schaffner, a professor at Vanderbilt University Medical Center, told CNN's Alisyn Camerota Friday. "That will help us in the immediate term. And I would anticipate that, as bad as Omicron might be, our vaccine still will be partially effective."

WHO Omicron warning for unvaccinated vulnerable travellers

The WHO sought the unvaccinated travellers to delay their travels to areas with community transmission

www.geo.tv

"Persons who have not been fully vaccinated or do not have proof of previous SARS-CoV-2 infection and are at increased risk of developing severe disease and dying, including people 60 years of age or older or those with comorbidities that present increased risk of severe Covid-19 (e.g. heart disease, cancer and diabetes) should be advised to postpone travel to areas with community transmission," the WHO's corrected line said.

Most horrific is the continuing push to vaccinate small children who are at zero risk of severe disease from Delta Covid let alone Omicron.

There's some thing really, really off about this, and it's obvious that 'they' don't care whether or not the severity of Covid justifies the use of dangerous and barely tested leaky vaccines. The end game is mass vaccination and all else be damned.

 

[Rezza]

It is easy to tell someone who has not read much quality data about the virus; and has been watching news sources skewing the data.

Your stats quoted have been debunked a thousand times and there isn't a need to address it because you won't change your mind because you won't admit you were wrong. The irony being you were always wrong because you were never right.

The issue at hand that the adults are discussing (so pay attention) is the critical issue of whether we have a strain in play that effectively can end this pandemic in 2022 and whether this strain is sending up a red flare that the virus is mutating into a less harmful strain that can overrun the globe quickly and likely force more dangerous strains into local clusters rather than sweep globally.

The virus possibly picking up genetic material from another virus is of critical importance also to scientists because if it can happen this early on; it is likely to happen again and also it means Omicron itself is likely to also again mutate. To a numbskull this doesn't mean much, to anyone looking at Swine and Bird Flu is carries an incredible amount of weight.

Your bacon might come back to bite you.

Wait, wasn't a few weeks ago there's also report of new Bird Flu outbreaks in Europe and Asia? If Omicron and the next variants (possibly) picking up genetic materials from other virus, could that be connected?

 

[borsabil]

So what is your proposed method of containment? We've tried lock downs, we've tried vaccines, we've tried masks; all of these did little to stem the flow of the virus and its mutations in the grander scheme. So what do we do? Really you're faced with two options, drag out the inevitable, or accept the situation for what it is and admit its beyond our control.

There are only two ways proven to contain Covid. The first is to impose severe quarantine requirements on incoming travelers. We'll call this the Australian approach, although the strictest has been China. How's that worked out? Horrendous damage to the social fabric as they're obligated to impose brutally hard lockdowns in attempting to eliminate the virus when the inevitable viral escape occurs.

The second approach is the Uttar Pradesh model.

6 months of near total elimination of the virus through the systematic use of Ivermectin to break the transmission chain. No lockdowns, no vaccine mandates, just the sensible use of a cheap, safe drug.

We could have done this at any point during the pandemic.