Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Mr Bunny]

After all this Wuflu hysteria ends, we need to make a concerted effort to eliminate the feline menace.

Now we're fucking talking!

 

[Gorilla Tessellator]

They aren't wrong. A glorified cold virus can't fine me, can't imprison me, can't ban me from businesses, and can't ban businesses I like from closing. They're just misguided since they blame the "pandemic" for it when the real problem has always been the government.

Pre-scamdemic, I really thought the governments of the world weren't totally awful. I knew they were full of incompetents and shills, but I thought they had some connection to reality and their populace (outside of shit like North Korea). In the world I lived in, the scamdemic would have ended in May or June and we would've been back to normal with nary a word. This is what practically everyone would have thought might happen during a pandemic scare that was a little worse than the swine flu scare, even hardcore progtards who would call you a conspiracy theorist if you thought a government might do anything the governments of the world have done since April 2020.

But I don't see how anyone can have even that minimal faith in the governments after that (not even getting into the BLM riots) failed to pan out. The only people who have been (mostly) right are the so-called antivaxxer conspiracy theorists. You can only assume incompetence on the most massive scale or active malevolence. But it doesn't really matter. If the government is that fucking incompetent, it doesn't deserve to govern. If the government is actively malevolent, it doesn't deserve to govern. The average Western government is essentially North Korea-tier now, where following the divine orders of the government will produce the desired effects of prosperity and security and elimination of the virus.

How does showing the negative test work? Is it a QR code or do you just need to show a picture of a test?

I think if you live in Europe, deliberately catching the virus and showing you recovered might be the only solution right now to avoid becoming a slave to multinational pharmaceutical companies. No matter what, I'm staying the fuck out of Europe until someone liberates the place. Sucks I never got to visit in 2019 like I had wanted to. I'm sure all the soy consoomers of the EU will thank me, but enjoy your bureaucratic totalitarian hell that doesn't even that kitschy charm like North Korea does.

I agree with you. In 2019 I felt only disgust towards governments and their propaganda. This annoying tranny nonsense pushing, all these stupid fake race wars etc. But now? I think they are simply evil. I don't care if they are evil because of their incompetence. It doesn't change that the results of their action is the world that is gloomy, dreadful and stupid. I have a feeling that this is going to be another 2-3 years of nonsense, and I am already losing patience. I hope I am wrong, because it's hard to keep my spirit up under constant attack.

 

[Billy Beer]

@Fliddaroonie Is right in regards to masks. Don't wear one. Nobody says fuck all to you.

Since the mask mandate came back to the UK I haven't wore a mask, i did order an exemption lanyard that hasn't arrived yet, and i haven't wore a mask anywhere. I've only been challenged once in Tesco and I just said "I'm exempt".

What's very bizarre to see is who wears the masks. Scruffs and blokes who look like they know how to fight, don't wear masks, old people do - which is understandable. But when you see a burley, rough-arse white van man, covered in plaster and brick dust, with a mask on, it's strange. These are blokes who generally don't give a shit about injury or dying, live life on their terms and their rules, yet comply to mask wearing.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

cattle

I've heard the way the tyrants run the show referred to as "human farming". Another way one could put it is "human resources".

Like I said, the tendency towards blind obedience is one of the biggest flaws of the species.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Like I said, the tendency towards blind obedience is one of the biggest flaws of the species.

It's a flaw and a strength. If many people didn't have blind obedience, we'd all be cavemen still (physically, mentally everyone from us to the WEF guys to a naked African dude in the jungle still are cavemen) since no one would follow Chief Ogg when he says that if enough guys run at a mammoth with sticks and clubs, the mammoth will freak and run off a cliff. Actually, we never would have evolved to begin with since there's evidence some hominids were very solitary by the standards of primates. The flaw comes since your Chief Oggs of the modern era end up being the sort who tell all the men to charge the mammoth with their fists and get half the tribe gored/trampled for no gain so he can sell all the survivors to Chief Urgg next door.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

It's a flaw and a strength.

Blind unquestioning obedience is what I meant - the "just following orders" mentality or "agentic state". Along with the tendency to evil, it's why this world is such a craphole. If people were more skeptical of authority - follow instead of "obey" - yet also had more desire for harmony, this world may not have been such a dystopia.

"Darwin's dice have rolled badly for Earth. It was a misfortune for the living world in particular, many scientists believe, that a carnivorous primate and not some more benign form of animal made the breakthrough." - E.O. Wilson

 

[Lichen Bark]

I'm losing my goddamn mind because I have Covid again. I got fully vaxed in March, then I got Covid in July, and now I have it again. Either I have the weakest, most pathetic immune system known to man or the vaccine didn't fucking work.

Yeah, I've been getting sick more often. Doctor thinks I might have Long Covid. Last week I had a chest infection (second in a month) and then I got Covid just as I was getting over the chest problems- possibly while I was at the hospital, getting medication for the chest infection.

If you ever get a white cell count test I think a lot of us would be really interested in knowing how your CD8 and CD4 levels are. Even if you redacted the shit out of it. I hope you get better though.

 

[m1ddl3m4rch]

"Darwin's dice have rolled badly for Earth. It was a misfortune for the living world in particular, many scientists believe, that a carnivorous primate and not some more benign form of animal made the breakthrough." - E.O. Wilson

If an herbivorous prey species evolved into sapience, as a prey species with the means to defend itself they would probably overpopulate quickly, exhausting resources. If they seldom go to war, that leaves plague and famine to control their numbers, though prey species do fight over mating opportunities. This is all sounding a lot like India.

 

[Male Idiot]

It's a flaw and a strength. If many people didn't have blind obedience, we'd all be cavemen still (physically, mentally everyone from us to the WEF guys to a naked African dude in the jungle still are cavemen) since no one would follow Chief Ogg when he says that if enough guys run at a mammoth with sticks and clubs, the mammoth will freak and run off a cliff. Actually, we never would have evolved to begin with since there's evidence some hominids were very solitary by the standards of primates. The flaw comes since your Chief Oggs of the modern era end up being the sort who tell all the men to charge the mammoth with their fists and get half the tribe gored/trampled for no gain so he can sell all the survivors to Chief Urgg next door.

Does Urgg have a big nose?

Blind unquestioning obedience is what I meant - the "just following orders" mentality or "agentic state". Along with the tendency to evil, it's why this world is such a craphole. If people were more skeptical of authority - follow instead of "obey" - yet also had more desire for harmony, this world may not have been such a dystopia.

"Darwin's dice have rolled badly for Earth. It was a misfortune for the living world in particular, many scientists believe, that a carnivorous primate and not some more benign form of animal made the breakthrough." - E.O. Wilson

But in big wars, loyal meat bodies is a plus. They say bigs will inherit the Earth, but I think they left out the -men.

Numbah Wan!

 

[NoReturn]

I'm losing my goddamn mind because I have Covid again. I got fully vaxed in March, then I got Covid in July, and now I have it again. Either I have the weakest, most pathetic immune system known to man or the vaccine didn't fucking work.

Welp, you're boned.

Yeah, I've been getting sick more often. Doctor thinks I might have Long Covid. Last week I had a chest infection (second in a month) and then I got Covid just as I was getting over the chest problems- possibly while I was at the hospital, getting medication for the chest infection.

Long COVID isn't real. It's damage from infection and/or the jab.

Now we're fucking talking!

You WOULD say that, lagomorph.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

If an herbivorous prey species evolved into sapience, as a prey species with the means to defend itself they would probably overpopulate quickly, exhausting resources.

I guess the best solution for a free yet harmonious sapient species could be a cooperative yet non-carnivorous one, that somehow can't breed too fast?

(though such may not be possible on this planet)

 

[Some Badger]

But when you see a burley, rough-arse white van man, covered in plaster and brick dust, with a mask on, it's strange. These are blokes who generally don't give a shit about injury or dying, live life on their terms and their rules, yet comply to mask wearing.

Are they wearing those shitty cheap paper masks they hand out at grocery stores or the ones you can get at a hardware store so you don't breathe in dust and mold? Cause if it's the latter, than that's understandable. I live near a glass factory and all the guys there loading panes into trucks wear those slightly sturdier white masks with the filter in the middle. Not many people wear masks in my neighborhood anymore unless they're small children or middle aged women, so I assume anyone who works a very hands-on job just wears one to mitigate safety hazards exclusive to their work.

Intentional or not, face coverings have become synonymous with covid compliance, even if you're just wearing it to keep grody shit from getting into your lungs.

 

[Billy Beer]

Are they wearing those shitty cheap paper masks they hand out at grocery stores or the ones you can get at a hardware store so you don't breathe in dust and mold? Cause if it's the latter, than that's understandable. I live near a glass factory and all the guys there loading panes into trucks wear those slightly sturdier white masks with the filter in the middle. Not many people wear masks in my neighborhood anymore unless they're small children or middle aged women, so I assume anyone who works a very hands-on job just wears one to mitigate safety hazards exclusive to their work.

Intentional or not, face coverings have become synonymous with covid compliance, even if you're just wearing it to keep grody shit from getting into your lungs.

Shitty surgical style blue ones, fresh from a 5 pack.

Even if they had plaster masks on, it's still wierd to see.

 

[Some Badger]

Shitty surgical style blue ones, fresh from a 5 pack.

Even if they had plaster masks on, it's still wierd to see.

Ew, I take it back. That's rough, buddy. Maybe it was a decision to re-enforce a mandate by way of upper management. I've worked plenty of jobs where the higher-ups have nothing in common with the workers and supes they're handing down orders to.

 

[Billy Beer]

Ew, I take it back. That's rough, buddy. Maybe it was a decision to re-enforce a mandate by way of upper management. I've worked plenty of jobs where the higher-ups have nothing in common with the workers and supes they're handing down orders to.

The mandate came back for the UK. I noticed these people while I was out shopping.

That's what confused me. Why these people were shopping with masks on, instead of telling people to fuck off like they usually do. They'll run you off the road and call you a wanker but they'll slap a mask on without question

 

[Diana Moon Glampers]

I guess the best solution for a free yet harmonious sapient species could be a cooperative yet non-carnivorous one, that somehow can't breed too fast?

(though such may not be possible on this planet)

Weird digression from the thread, but I'll tackle this.

Spoiler

There's a problem with non-carnivores being a sentient dominant species.

Plants don't have complete proteins.

You might not think this is that big a deal. There are cooperative, mostly herbivorous, relatively intelligent species that can't breed too fast already on the planet. Think elephants or orangutans.

But what makes them unsuited to dominance? An inability to adapt to varying conditions.

If you're an elephant or an orangutan, your food sources have been basically set due to your environment for thousands of years, and you need a lot of plant material. But if you try to go out beyond your local food sources because you've developed tool use and sentience and are ready for expansion...you go out into the great beyond and eat some plants. And...they suck, and don't keep you alive. They don't make a full protein or they don't have the calories of the previous stuff you ate.

This happened with humans, too, but we have a fallback: as long as you can find some meat and some fat, your protein needs are taken care of. We even have a ketogenic mode where you can live with zero carbs for an essentially indefinite time, long enough to reproduce yourself and get through to the next generation (who may find some better ways to keep your lifestyle omnivorous instead of carnivorous).

Humans' omnivorous nature meant we could always use meat-eating and hunting-dominant calorie gathering strategies when exploring new territories. Barring species with venom glands or extreme outliers like polar bear liver, all meat and all eggs are edible to the carnivore and provide complete protein regardless of source. For some meat (rabbit is the canonical example) you'll need extra fat, but that's it. Meat also contains pretty much all the micronutrients you need, as long as you don't cook it too much, which is why carnivorous people in extreme circumstances (like the Inuit) often ate animal protein raw.

This meant that even if a lot of your human band traveling away from Location X to Location Y starved out, a small band of the best hunters would probably still find ways to prosper, especially since tool-using hunters presented a new fitness field for available organisms in a "greenfield" ecology where tool-users were previously unknown. If orangutans had developed human-level intelligence, they still would have been SOL trying to get through the Bering land bridge to North America, and the thousands of miles of frozen wastes they'd have had to traverse with no fruits would have killed every last one of them. It's not just that there are locations without good non-meat options for a large land dweller...some of those locations are places you pretty much have to go through in order to access other, more resource-rich areas.

Anyway, in more related topics, parents are going absolutely insane with coof related drama. Mom groups are unbearable. I've recently watched group after group duke it out over whether very young children with a positive coof test should be basically locked in their room with zero physical affection and often zero ability to actually see the "sick" child. It's the kind of thing that would have represented unfathomable child cruelty in times past and probably would have triggered a call to CPS for a lot of people. But now it's just "a disagreement" and it's a perfectly normal position to take that it's fine to treat your 4 year old child like a prisoner even if they're crying and screaming for hugs and to be let out to watch TV or eat dinner with the family.

There is no way these kids will have zero ongoing psychological damage from this kind of deliberate isolation and exclusion paired with parental neglect. What will they think someday when they have kids of their own and remember what was visited on them?

Parents today think "well, my kid will understand, it was different times back then and we were all so worried." But kids of the 80s and 90s whose parents physically abused them hear the same thing from their parents, and no, it's not seen as understandable. Even if you did worry your kid would become one of those bad superpredators they talked about on the news, no one today thinks it'd be ok to beat your kid bloody to forestall it. Tomorrow's adults aren't going to say "it was chill when my parents treated me like a plague carrier for 2 weeks over a virus the entire rest of my family was vaccinated for, they didn't know a better way."

 

[Cycleye]

Weird digression from the thread, but I'll tackle this.

Spoiler

There's a problem with non-carnivores being a sentient dominant species.

Plants don't have complete proteins.

You might not think this is that big a deal. There are cooperative, mostly herbivorous, relatively intelligent species that can't breed too fast already on the planet. Think elephants or orangutans.

But what makes them unsuited to dominance? An inability to adapt to varying conditions.

If you're an elephant or an orangutan, your food sources have been basically set due to your environment for thousands of years, and you need a lot of plant material. But if you try to go out beyond your local food sources because you've developed tool use and sentience and are ready for expansion...you go out into the great beyond and eat some plants. And...they suck, and don't keep you alive. They don't make a full protein or they don't have the calories of the previous stuff you ate.

This happened with humans, too, but we have a fallback: as long as you can find some meat and some fat, your protein needs are taken care of. We even have a ketogenic mode where you can live with zero carbs for an essentially indefinite time, long enough to reproduce yourself and get through to the next generation (who may find some better ways to keep your lifestyle omnivorous instead of carnivorous).

Humans' omnivorous nature meant we could always use meat-eating and hunting-dominant calorie gathering strategies when exploring new territories. Barring species with venom glands or extreme outliers like polar bear liver, all meat and all eggs are edible to the carnivore and provide complete protein regardless of source. For some meat (rabbit is the canonical example) you'll need extra fat, but that's it. Meat also contains pretty much all the micronutrients you need, as long as you don't cook it too much, which is why carnivorous people in extreme circumstances (like the Inuit) often ate animal protein raw.

This meant that even if a lot of your human band traveling away from Location X to Location Y starved out, a small band of the best hunters would probably still find ways to prosper, especially since tool-using hunters presented a new fitness field for available organisms in a "greenfield" ecology where tool-users were previously unknown. If orangutans had developed human-level intelligence, they still would have been SOL trying to get through the Bering land bridge to North America, and the thousands of miles of frozen wastes they'd have had to traverse with no fruits would have killed every last one of them. It's not just that there are locations without good non-meat options for a large land dweller...some of those locations are places you pretty much have to go through in order to access other, more resource-rich areas.

Anyway, in more related topics, parents are going absolutely insane with coof related drama. Mom groups are unbearable. I've recently watched group after group duke it out over whether very young children with a positive coof test should be basically locked in their room with zero physical affection and often zero ability to actually see the "sick" child. It's the kind of thing that would have represented unfathomable child cruelty in times past and probably would have triggered a call to CPS for a lot of people. But now it's just "a disagreement" and it's a perfectly normal position to take that it's fine to treat your 4 year old child like a prisoner even if they're crying and screaming for hugs and to be let out to watch TV or eat dinner with the family.

There is no way these kids will have zero ongoing psychological damage from this kind of deliberate isolation and exclusion paired with parental neglect. What will they think someday when they have kids of their own and remember what was visited on them?

Parents today think "well, my kid will understand, it was different times back then and we were all so worried." But kids of the 80s and 90s whose parents physically abused them hear the same thing from their parents, and no, it's not seen as understandable. Even if you did worry your kid would become one of those bad superpredators they talked about on the news, no one today thinks it'd be ok to beat your kid bloody to forestall it. Tomorrow's adults aren't going to say "it was chill when my parents treated me like a plague carrier for 2 weeks over a virus the entire rest of my family was vaccinated for, they didn't know a better way."

It rarely works out well for abused kids and abuse takes many forms. Sometimes it comes back to bite the family members who do the abusing. Maybe in x number of years there will be a huge rise in domestic abuse, child abuse and murder suicides?.
It will be blamed on anything else but the cunts who have been doing this to their kids and the cunts who have made people think they should do it.

 

[Mealy Mouth Spittle]

Weird digression from the thread, but I'll tackle this.

Spoiler

There's a problem with non-carnivores being a sentient dominant species.

Plants don't have complete proteins.

You might not think this is that big a deal. There are cooperative, mostly herbivorous, relatively intelligent species that can't breed too fast already on the planet. Think elephants or orangutans.

But what makes them unsuited to dominance? An inability to adapt to varying conditions.

If you're an elephant or an orangutan, your food sources have been basically set due to your environment for thousands of years, and you need a lot of plant material. But if you try to go out beyond your local food sources because you've developed tool use and sentience and are ready for expansion...you go out into the great beyond and eat some plants. And...they suck, and don't keep you alive. They don't make a full protein or they don't have the calories of the previous stuff you ate.

This happened with humans, too, but we have a fallback: as long as you can find some meat and some fat, your protein needs are taken care of. We even have a ketogenic mode where you can live with zero carbs for an essentially indefinite time, long enough to reproduce yourself and get through to the next generation (who may find some better ways to keep your lifestyle omnivorous instead of carnivorous).

Humans' omnivorous nature meant we could always use meat-eating and hunting-dominant calorie gathering strategies when exploring new territories. Barring species with venom glands or extreme outliers like polar bear liver, all meat and all eggs are edible to the carnivore and provide complete protein regardless of source. For some meat (rabbit is the canonical example) you'll need extra fat, but that's it. Meat also contains pretty much all the micronutrients you need, as long as you don't cook it too much, which is why carnivorous people in extreme circumstances (like the Inuit) often ate animal protein raw.

This meant that even if a lot of your human band traveling away from Location X to Location Y starved out, a small band of the best hunters would probably still find ways to prosper, especially since tool-using hunters presented a new fitness field for available organisms in a "greenfield" ecology where tool-users were previously unknown. If orangutans had developed human-level intelligence, they still would have been SOL trying to get through the Bering land bridge to North America, and the thousands of miles of frozen wastes they'd have had to traverse with no fruits would have killed every last one of them. It's not just that there are locations without good non-meat options for a large land dweller...some of those locations are places you pretty much have to go through in order to access other, more resource-rich areas.

Anyway, in more related topics, parents are going absolutely insane with coof related drama. Mom groups are unbearable. I've recently watched group after group duke it out over whether very young children with a positive coof test should be basically locked in their room with zero physical affection and often zero ability to actually see the "sick" child. It's the kind of thing that would have represented unfathomable child cruelty in times past and probably would have triggered a call to CPS for a lot of people. But now it's just "a disagreement" and it's a perfectly normal position to take that it's fine to treat your 4 year old child like a prisoner even if they're crying and screaming for hugs and to be let out to watch TV or eat dinner with the family.

There is no way these kids will have zero ongoing psychological damage from this kind of deliberate isolation and exclusion paired with parental neglect. What will they think someday when they have kids of their own and remember what was visited on them?

Parents today think "well, my kid will understand, it was different times back then and we were all so worried." But kids of the 80s and 90s whose parents physically abused them hear the same thing from their parents, and no, it's not seen as understandable. Even if you did worry your kid would become one of those bad superpredators they talked about on the news, no one today thinks it'd be ok to beat your kid bloody to forestall it. Tomorrow's adults aren't going to say "it was chill when my parents treated me like a plague carrier for 2 weeks over a virus the entire rest of my family was vaccinated for, they didn't know a better way."

Those moms are cunts. I would literally die for my kid. If my kid gets the coof, I might try to keep them away from the other kid, but I will quarantine with them rather than leave them alone. If I end up catching it and dying, then just chalk it up to God saying it's time to clock out and go home. And my kids are teenagers. No way would I ever do that to a 4 year old. What the fuck is wrong with them?

It rarely works out well for abused kids and abuse takes many forms. Sometimes it comes back to bite the family members who do the abusing. Maybe in x number of years there will be a huge rise in domestic abuse, child abuse and murder suicides?.
It will be blamed on anything else but the cunts who have been doing this to their kids and the cunts who have made people think they should do it.

At the very least, when these kids are in charge of what kind of care their parents get at the end of their life, they are picking the cheapest option and they will rarely visit. Those kinds of resentments last a long time and they will not be willing to make sacrifices for parents who traumatized them.

 

[Hippopatumus]

Imagine quivering in fear of your child

 

[Gorilla Tessellator]

Weird digression from the thread, but I'll tackle this.

Spoiler

There's a problem with non-carnivores being a sentient dominant species.

Plants don't have complete proteins.

You might not think this is that big a deal. There are cooperative, mostly herbivorous, relatively intelligent species that can't breed too fast already on the planet. Think elephants or orangutans.

But what makes them unsuited to dominance? An inability to adapt to varying conditions.

If you're an elephant or an orangutan, your food sources have been basically set due to your environment for thousands of years, and you need a lot of plant material. But if you try to go out beyond your local food sources because you've developed tool use and sentience and are ready for expansion...you go out into the great beyond and eat some plants. And...they suck, and don't keep you alive. They don't make a full protein or they don't have the calories of the previous stuff you ate.

This happened with humans, too, but we have a fallback: as long as you can find some meat and some fat, your protein needs are taken care of. We even have a ketogenic mode where you can live with zero carbs for an essentially indefinite time, long enough to reproduce yourself and get through to the next generation (who may find some better ways to keep your lifestyle omnivorous instead of carnivorous).

Humans' omnivorous nature meant we could always use meat-eating and hunting-dominant calorie gathering strategies when exploring new territories. Barring species with venom glands or extreme outliers like polar bear liver, all meat and all eggs are edible to the carnivore and provide complete protein regardless of source. For some meat (rabbit is the canonical example) you'll need extra fat, but that's it. Meat also contains pretty much all the micronutrients you need, as long as you don't cook it too much, which is why carnivorous people in extreme circumstances (like the Inuit) often ate animal protein raw.

This meant that even if a lot of your human band traveling away from Location X to Location Y starved out, a small band of the best hunters would probably still find ways to prosper, especially since tool-using hunters presented a new fitness field for available organisms in a "greenfield" ecology where tool-users were previously unknown. If orangutans had developed human-level intelligence, they still would have been SOL trying to get through the Bering land bridge to North America, and the thousands of miles of frozen wastes they'd have had to traverse with no fruits would have killed every last one of them. It's not just that there are locations without good non-meat options for a large land dweller...some of those locations are places you pretty much have to go through in order to access other, more resource-rich areas.

Anyway, in more related topics, parents are going absolutely insane with coof related drama. Mom groups are unbearable. I've recently watched group after group duke it out over whether very young children with a positive coof test should be basically locked in their room with zero physical affection and often zero ability to actually see the "sick" child. It's the kind of thing that would have represented unfathomable child cruelty in times past and probably would have triggered a call to CPS for a lot of people. But now it's just "a disagreement" and it's a perfectly normal position to take that it's fine to treat your 4 year old child like a prisoner even if they're crying and screaming for hugs and to be let out to watch TV or eat dinner with the family.

There is no way these kids will have zero ongoing psychological damage from this kind of deliberate isolation and exclusion paired with parental neglect. What will they think someday when they have kids of their own and remember what was visited on them?

Parents today think "well, my kid will understand, it was different times back then and we were all so worried." But kids of the 80s and 90s whose parents physically abused them hear the same thing from their parents, and no, it's not seen as understandable. Even if you did worry your kid would become one of those bad superpredators they talked about on the news, no one today thinks it'd be ok to beat your kid bloody to forestall it. Tomorrow's adults aren't going to say "it was chill when my parents treated me like a plague carrier for 2 weeks over a virus the entire rest of my family was vaccinated for, they didn't know a better way."

This is absolutely crazy. And yes, it's plain child abuse, no question. It's not a fucking black death, it's a minor virus, and a 4 year old cannot comprehend why he/she is kept away from the family. I can't imagine doing it to my children, and they are also much older. I can't even imagine vaccinating my kid. This is the line I am not going to cross. One of the reason I got vaccinated myself is to keep my job in case I will have to fight in court if they will try to mandate kids vaccines. I need means for that.