Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

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A winter war wouldn't have the same amount of attrition as they did in the past.
To my knowlege there has been no appreciable change in technology for dealing with winter and all the problems that entails since World War 2. Supply chains still rely on trucks, cold is dealt with by giving the soldiers coats and gloves, snow still gets into shit and freezes your feet off if you are not careful. Etc. The issues of fighting in the winter are the same today as they were back then. It fucking sucks. Especially for the invader.
 
To my knowlege there has been no appreciable change in technology for dealing with winter and all the problems that entails since World War 2. Supply chains still rely on trucks, cold is dealt with by giving the soldiers coats and gloves, snow still gets into shit and freezes your feet off if you are not careful. Etc. The issues of fighting in the winter are the same today as they were back then. It fucking sucks. Especially for the invader.
Russia is the expert in winter warfare if there is one. They aren't going to have oil shortages, if they invade Ukraine in the winter they probably find it advantageous. It's the 21st century, hypothermia is about as deadly as dysentery.
 
NYTimes isn't a source for those numbers. Read literally any reputable historian and they'll tell you it wasn't 10 million. Even the absolute hack moron Anne Applebaum will say it was less than half than that, and she's the most vocal genocide claimant in the field.

And Stalin took a backwards peasant country that lost to both Japan (1905) and Germany (1917) in quick succession, and turned it into an industrialized nuclear armed superpower that crushed both Germany and Japan (Manchuria campaign) in a single generation. Oh, they got help from the West? That diplomatic maneuvering to ensure said help didn't come out of nowhere, and something the Nazis weren't even capable of really doing with the Axis "alliance". How strong is the Axis if Stalin can get the Japanese to sign a nonagression pact with him, that they honour even as their "ally", Germany, goes to war with the Soviet Union? Diplomacy is a big part of warfare, and nobody played that better than Stalin.

Napoleon died a pathetic and broken man, exiled to a tiny Island because being a brilliant commander means jack shit if you turn everyone against you. Stalin died as the head of a massive Eurasian empire, winning the biggest war that was ever fought, and seeing his country through a whole industrial revolution in a tenth of the time other nations did. Was Stalin a good man? No way in hell. Was he a Great Man? Absolutely.
Russia has never won a war with any sort of tactical genius or strategy beyond simply outlasting the enemy through attrition. Nobody ever looks at Russia for cunning generals or implementing new cutting edge technology. They only rose to prominence during the 50's as a global superpower for due to happen stance as every other developed nation beside America had destroyed themselves. Whenever another nation comes along with any sort of bone to pick with the Russians they usually end up losing outright or just simply take the beating. Happened with the Mongolians, Japanese, Germans, Swedish, and even the Finnish. I will give them credit for simply still managing to exist despite all of these humiliations and Stalin was good at keeping his country stable post-war and maintaining it's scavenged influence/power, however it's not not hard to see why lots of people throughout history have labeled Russia as weak and militarily retarded.
 
Russia is the expert in winter warfare if there is one. They aren't going to have oil shortages, if they invade Ukraine in the winter they probably find it advantageous. It's the 21st century, hypothermia is about as deadly as dysentery.
Your post was fine until you started making that dumb comparison. People can still die from hypothermia very easily. It’s not something to take lightly. That’s like saying we don’t have to worry about altitude sickness because we have oxygen tanks.
 
Russia has never won a war with any sort of tactical genius or strategy beyond simply outlasting the enemy through attrition. Nobody ever looks at Russia for cunning generals or implementing new cutting edge technology. They only rose to prominence during the 50's as a global superpower for due to happen stance as every other developed nation beside America had destroyed themselves. Whenever another nation comes along with any sort of bone to pick with the Russians they usually end up losing outright or just simply take the beating. Happened with the Mongolians, Japanese, Germans, Swedish, and even the Finnish. I will give them credit for simply still managing to exist despite all of these humiliations and Stalin was good at keeping his country stable post-war and maintaining it's scavenged influence/power, however it's not not hard to see why lots of people throughout history have labeled Russia as weak and militarily retarded.

Suvorov, Kutuzov, Bagration, Brusilov, Zhukov, you dont know what the fuck you're talking of
 
All the New York Times which initially denied all the claims of Ukrainian genocide we should trust them this time

I love the stalinist apologists the Justice hilarious is the people who deny Mouse genocide it's not a genocide because you know it may have been targeted at a specific region of the country but it was just a general famine

And yes it was 10 million ukrainians that starve to death due to targeted theft of their grain

And Joseph Stalin was a terrible leader who nearly lost the entire country and had to go crying to the capitalist West for weapons
>10 million Ukranians
Haha no. Displaced, maybe, dead, no. As for 'targeted theft of the grain' the same shit was happening all over under collectivization, and followed a similar pattern as several famines under the Tsarist regime, which is that the government is more focused on exporting grain than supplying it to their own people.
 
>10 million Ukranians
Haha no. Displaced, maybe, dead, no. As for 'targeted theft of the grain' the same shit was happening all over under collectivization, and followed a similar pattern as several famines under the Tsarist regime, which is that the government is more focused on exporting grain than supplying it to their own people.
Kaganovich letters disagree. Ukrainians showed particular resistance to Soviet regime and collectivization and the most "kulaks" were in Ukraine.
 
In a related fluff piece India still considers Russia a reliable ally


Will they still be on their side after this Ukraine affair?
 
To my knowlege there has been no appreciable change in technology for dealing with winter and all the problems that entails since World War 2. Supply chains still rely on trucks, cold is dealt with by giving the soldiers coats and gloves, snow still gets into shit and freezes your feet off if you are not careful. Etc. The issues of fighting in the winter are the same today as they were back then. It fucking sucks. Especially for the invader.
modern trucks can deal with adverse conditions a lot better than the trucks that were in use 80 years ago.
modern russia/ukraine also have vastly superior road and rail infrastructure nowadays. no more getting bogged down on muddy dirt pathways, instead it's real paved roads now.
also, the german army in ww2 was still relying on horses to carry a lot of their equipment, while modern armies are fully motorized.

logistics capabilities of modern militaries are so much more advanced than what was used in ww2, it is not comparable at all.
 
modern trucks can deal with adverse conditions a lot better than the trucks that were in use 80 years ago.
modern russia/ukraine also have vastly superior road and rail infrastructure nowadays. no more getting bogged down on muddy dirt pathways, instead it's real paved roads now.
also, the german army in ww2 was still relying on horses to carry a lot of their equipment, while modern armies are fully motorized.

logistics capabilities of modern militaries are so much more advanced than what was used in ww2, it is not comparable at all.
Being able to feed troops in winter is certainly one part of the equation, but I think you are underestimating just how hard it is to conduct maneuver in winter. Roads are fine once you have secured them, but not so fine when fighting a maneuver battle that could last for weeks. Europe in winter is fucking cold. I still have nightmares about my winter exercise at Grafenwoehr. It got so bad the commander had to order us to stop posting pickets at the checkpoint and moved whole platoons into one common tent that they could heat.

Acceptable for a training exercise where you don't want a boot to freeze to death. Not acceptable in a shooting war where a single mortar could cause 25% casualties to the company.
 
We don’t know what Russia is thinking
that POTUS is retarded and delusional, just like the false flagging fact checkers and war consultants.

keep in mind Russia is really fucking cold and is basically winter nine months out of the year.
That's... not exactly true. besides I've noticed that winters come much warmer than a decade ago. hell, it's a middle of the damn December and I have seen a snow only once, for a very short period of time. Close to the lunch time there was no snow at all.
 
I think a lot of this hubris comes from comparing a hypothetical war between two modern states to the US' last 30 years of failed colonial adventures.

In every conflict after Vietnam, Burgerland has enjoyed
1) Unquestionable air supremacy
2) Overwhelming superiority in quantity and quality of supplies

If Ukraine and Russia stop edging us all and make CNN entertaining again, neither of these will be true. You won't see cold casualties brought into a FOB and wrapped in a blanket and given hot cocoa. You won't see warming tents along each line of march, or troops bedding down in snug little "deployed sites."

They'll be face down in the snow in winter or the mud and ticks in summer, trying to remain concealed and taking advantage of what cover they can get. Trucks bringing supplies close enough to be humped up to the front may start in cold temps, but they will still be susceptible to rockets and bombs. Jackets and gloves are better than they were in 1941, but they still can only do so much when you're in deep slush and staying still.

Training in America in a blizzard was distinctly miserable, and I had momentary access to decent medical care, plenty of food delivered by a Sysco truck, and could stand up and say "hold up!" if I chanced to fall in a puddle.

So while I'm not arguing Russia won't attack in Winter, saying "winter doesn't matter anymore" is nonsense.
 
im not saying it doesnt matter, im saying russia is aware and prepared for it, and ukraine as well, so it's not going to be a war deciding factor like it was for napoleon and hitler, who were very much un- or underprepared for it.
I'm not arguing with you, just the guy who says cold is irrelevant because we have amazon now.
 
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