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[Nolan Crush]

Watching Holoscopes for first time

 

[Poppavalyim Andropoff]

She is streaming only for 6 minutes and sang KING but she already got over $ 37k

i don't want to live on this world anymore.

 

[Sithis]

People on Discord were saying that Youtube can now copyright strike during a live stream

Honestly what's the fucking point of using YouTube then? They would make more money on twitch. Twitch sucks ass, it really does, but I would argue is more profitable for game streamers than YouTube - gifted subs, bit donations and that kinda shit would give people more ways to dono more stuff outside of superchats. YouTube was good for them while they weren't being assholes with DMCA while twitch will demonetize you if someone hears the wrong ringtone in the background, but without that advantage of them being able to use it for karaoke, there's no reason to not just use twitch instead.

 

[ChefKiss]

This is why the music industry has become the red headed stepchild of the entertainment industries
Throwing around legal actions only leads to a decline in popularity
So Niji going after artists is incredibly stupid too, especially for a product that relies so heavily on it. I guess it's only dlsite for now so it wont hurt them too badly but artists tend to react to this kind of thing even if it doesnt directly effect them

 

[Rezza]

Honestly what's the fucking point of using YouTube then? They would make more money on twitch. Twitch sucks ass, it really does, but I would argue is more profitable for game streamers than YouTube - gifted subs, bit donations and that kinda shit would give people more ways to dono more stuff outside of superchats. YouTube was good for them while they weren't being assholes with DMCA while twitch will demonetize you if someone hears the wrong ringtone in the background, but without that advantage of them being able to use it for karaoke, there's no reason to not just use twitch instead.

Apparently Twitch gave more money for live viewers count than VOD. And looking at the state of their VOD players, it makes sense why they're pushing for that. Basically the current strategy most if not all, streamers used are Twitch for streaming, Youtube for archive or scripted content

One of the current advantage Youtube has over Twitch is, even at the barest of efforts, is still trying to improve their streaming and VOD services. Twitch, however, seemed to be stuck in their current state

 

[augment]

I don't know why people think Twitch is this free, rebellious and liberated experience when they've been harder on streamers than Youtube for years, even banning people for licensed sound effects in MMOs like WoW. Have people forgotten they're owned by Amazon?

For that matter, people flocked to and embraced discord years ago similarly. They don't know shit about anything.

 

[Sithis]

Apparently Twitch gave more money for live viewers count than VOD. And looking at the state of their VOD players, it makes sense why they're pushing for that. Basically the current strategy most if not all, streamers used are Twitch for streaming, Youtube for archive or scripted content

One of the current advantage Youtube has over Twitch is, even at the barest of efforts, is still trying to improve their streaming and VOD services. Twitch, however, seemed to be stuck in their current state

Yeah I have been on there for a few years and the "improvements" twitch has made has been "yay we added troon emotes" more or less. Twitch doesn't do well with VODs at all and their player sucks. But live streaming on there seems to just be more profitable. Lots of viewers already looking for live streams, vtubers are already established there, and again people have more ways of donating so they are more keen to do so - I think the lowest superchat you can send on YouTube is $1 whereas even poorfags can send bits on twitch in any amount up to several thousand $, plus you can gift subs at $5/sub, which the streamers get a portion of. I think they even get a slice of the "free" subscription people can get if they have Amazon prime.

So yeah tldr I am not shilling for or a fan of twitch in any way but I think if the only advantage YouTube gave them is being taken away it would make sense for them to consider migrating to a more profitable platform.

One concern I guess I could see being legit though is twitch is more of an open field. I don't know how they'd take it with people "raiding" their streams etc, though that could play to their advantage because it is very easy for twitch streamers to funnel their audiences to one another. So there could in theory be an endless handoff stream of one Holo talent after another finishing their streams and then sending thousands of viewers onto the next streamer without so much as a commercial break.

 

[Rhialtokourai]

The flood gates are open. She is streaming only for 6 minutes and sang KING but she already got over $ 37k

Edit: You can keep livetracking Superchats through Hololyzer. She already has overtaken Laplus.

She also hit 600k subs.

Yeah I have been on there for a few years and the "improvements" twitch has made has been "yay we added troon emotes" more or less. Twitch doesn't do well with VODs at all and their player sucks. But live streaming on there seems to just be more profitable. Lots of viewers already looking for live streams, vtubers are already established there, and again people have more ways of donating so they are more keen to do so - I think the lowest superchat you can send on YouTube is $1 whereas even poorfags can send bits on twitch in any amount up to several thousand $, plus you can gift subs at $5/sub, which the streamers get a portion of. I think they even get a slice of the "free" subscription people can get if they have Amazon prime.

So yeah tldr I am not shilling for or a fan of twitch in any way but I think if the only advantage YouTube gave them is being taken away it would make sense for them to consider migrating to a more profitable platform.

One concern I guess I could see being legit though is twitch is more of an open field. I don't know how they'd take it with people "raiding" their streams etc, though that could play to their advantage because it is very easy for twitch streamers to funnel their audiences to one another. So there could in theory be an endless handoff stream of one Holo talent after another finishing their streams and then sending thousands of viewers onto the next streamer without so much as a commercial break.

A related concern - which may also come to Youtube anyway - is how gifted subs/memberships would affect those who use their member streams to get therapy from chat.

Regarding raids, I vaguely remember a discussion here in the early days of Myth about someone doing something stream raid-like and getting bonked because it was too chaotic for Japanese management's sensibilities.

 

[VTuber Bob Dole]

The flood gates are open. She is streaming only for 6 minutes and sang KING but she already got over $ 37k

Edit: You can keep livetracking Superchats through Hololyzer. She already has overtaken Laplus.

Wow just looked and she is over $82k already and still going! And it looks like she crossed 600k subscribers just before or during the stream too.

edit: And now singing Madoka Magica OP from ClariS (prob my favorite jp group when Alice was still there). It's opened a new flood of SC.

 

[Dang Woodchucks!]

I guess Japan doesn't have an equivalent or facsimile to the Streisand Effect. The "Nijisanji Porn" Effect doesn't have that scientific feel to it, but I guess it'll have to do.

 

[Sound]

Yeah I have been on there for a few years and the "improvements" twitch has made has been "yay we added troon emotes" more or less. Twitch doesn't do well with VODs at all and their player sucks. But live streaming on there seems to just be more profitable. Lots of viewers already looking for live streams, vtubers are already established there, and again people have more ways of donating so they are more keen to do so - I think the lowest superchat you can send on YouTube is $1 whereas even poorfags can send bits on twitch in any amount up to several thousand $, plus you can gift subs at $5/sub, which the streamers get a portion of. I think they even get a slice of the "free" subscription people can get if they have Amazon prime.

So yeah tldr I am not shilling for or a fan of twitch in any way but I think if the only advantage YouTube gave them is being taken away it would make sense for them to consider migrating to a more profitable platform.

One concern I guess I could see being legit though is twitch is more of an open field. I don't know how they'd take it with people "raiding" their streams etc, though that could play to their advantage because it is very easy for twitch streamers to funnel their audiences to one another. So there could in theory be an endless handoff stream of one Holo talent after another finishing their streams and then sending thousands of viewers onto the next streamer without so much as a commercial break.

Keep in mind that Twitch is basically a non-entity in Japan while the success of Hololive was built on the back of the Youtube algorithm. They would not get close to the same numbers.

 

[Scuttle]

I didn't think I'd be coming back here but I thought I'd offer just one last clarification on the current Niji stuff, as it did require some effort of translating to get an idea of what I was looking at.

So first things first: Anycolor are not going after R18 artists per se.

They actually announced their official collaboration with DLSite to provide ASMR content to the platform (at eye-wateringly high prices, which is a separate issue). As such, it seems they didn't want the search bar to conflate officially endorsed Sasaki Saku merchandise with derivative works of Sasaki Saku getting raped in an alley. It's bad optics for the business and could land them in all kinds of trouble.

Why would they go to a Doujin site and start fucking up the Doujin artists? Who knows! I am personally dumbfounded they're doing this when they have a fully functional storefront that has been doing a broad range of ASMR for years now. It's invasive and stupid, but not as insidious and puritanical as 'Anycolor are attempting to shut down all NSFW artists everywhere on the internet'. The JP side of twitter seem far, far more concerned with the prices of the collab ASMR, and the livestream promoting it was cancelled — implying there may be some immediate changes to either the prices or the treatment of Doujin artists before it continues. Again, who knows.

Anyway, that's all. I caught wind of the absolutely bonkers Yumenographia/Yakuza ties discussion the other day and quickly realised that good faith discussion about Anycolor/Niji is less favourable than simply parroting 4ch rrats to compensate for lack of understanding on the subject matter. It made me happy seeing some Holofans here subscribe to Selen after her birthday stream, but on the whole the only time Niji discussions gain any traction is when they're getting blasted, which is exhausting when I want to talk about them more positively.

 

[Ralph Barnhardt]

what am i supposed to see here?

There' s nothing to see in the pics. The person leading the tour was a chick and there were at least one or two others that could be overheard in the voice chat.

 

[Rezza]

I never realized just how much I miss Claris songs before Chloe sang Connect. Man, those were the days being a weeb

 

[Hotdogs Aplenty]

News flash: Moona is eating on stream. Also the karaoke holocaust doesn't effect the ID branch.

Some idiot sent this, then Moona says when she feels down she likes to sing, so she going to do karaoke now.

 

[Rezza]

This is why the music industry has become the red headed stepchild of the entertainment industries
Throwing around legal actions only leads to a decline in popularity
So Niji going after artists is incredibly stupid too, especially for a product that relies so heavily on it. I guess it's only dlsite for now so it wont hurt them too badly but artists tend to react to this kind of thing even if it doesnt directly effect them

There's a lot of tweets (japanese of course) trying to fan the flames already, so I'm pretty sure a lot of people are taken aback by this policy

I didn't think I'd be coming back here but I thought I'd offer just one last clarification on the current Niji stuff, as it did require some effort of translating to get an idea of what I was looking at.

So first things first: Anycolor are not going after R18 artists per se.

They actually announced their official collaboration with DLSite to provide ASMR content to the platform (at eye-wateringly high prices, which is a separate issue). As such, it seems they didn't want the search bar to conflate officially endorsed Sasaki Saku merchandise with derivative works of Sasaki Saku getting raped in an alley. It's bad optics for the business and could land them in all kinds of trouble.

Why would they go to a Doujin site and start fucking up the Doujin artists? Who knows! I am personally dumbfounded they're doing this when they have a fully functional storefront that has been doing a broad range of ASMR for years now. It's invasive and stupid, but not as insidious and puritanical as 'Anycolor are attempting to shut down all NSFW artists everywhere on the internet'. The JP side of twitter seem far, far more concerned with the prices of the collab ASMR, and the livestream promoting it was cancelled — implying there may be some immediate changes to either the prices or the treatment of Doujin artists before it continues. Again, who knows.

Anyway, that's all. I caught wind of the absolutely bonkers Yumenographia/Yakuza ties discussion the other day and quickly realised that good faith discussion about Anycolor/Niji is less favourable than simply parroting 4ch rrats to compensate for lack of understanding on the subject matter. It made me happy seeing some Holofans here subscribe to Selen after her birthday stream, but on the whole the only time Niji discussions gain any traction is when they're getting blasted, which is exhausting when I want to talk about them more positively.

So far I found three things the Japanese are talking about the situation:
1. Will one day the same thing happened to other platforms?
2. The price is absurdly pricy, especially when you consider them as just VTubers and not, say, a professional seiyuu
3. Taking down all derivative works are not that surprising, other companies did that. What people found as scummy is that they're using it to then sell their own products on said website

News flash: Moona is eating on stream. Also the karaoke holocaust doesn't effect the ID branch.

ID is a guinea pig branch, probably management just wanting to test the water

 

[Tatsunoko]

Keep in mind that Twitch is basically a non-entity in Japan while the success of Hololive was built on the back of the Youtube algorithm. They would not get close to the same numbers.

Didn't Miko get into some Twitch-related leaderboard just because she holds her watchalongs on there? Could have also been Pekora, but I think she's only streamed there a handful of times.

But in general, I do think most people would follow their oshi or member they watch often to whatever stream platform. Look at kson's Mildom streams around the time of her graduation. And that platform fucking sucks outside the fact that you can give viewers permissions based on how many levels they have.

The only reason people might be a bit antsy, me included, is the full reset of membership badges. But then again, it's not like they're doing a full migration over to Twitch.

 

[Nolan Crush]

Watching Holoscopes for first time

I wanted to give my thoughts. I think the most annoying thing wasn't Sana (it helps that she's cute), it's chat going "true". I guess it makes me wonder how many people actually believe this and that's why they're watching. Probably not most.

I took this as a mythology and philosophy lesson. Learning about what Sana believes and that seems to be her intention given her answer to a question involved saying "Astrology is just anime". She knows it looks silly, she doesn't expect it to be taken seriously, but she appreciates that people are interested in learning what she thinks and what she's learned. The psyche behind it is interesting, like answering how someone can be single-minded as a Sagittarius. She clearly knows it's not everyone, and this is just the average to her. She simply interrupts traits related to it in her friends as being because of it.

Overall, good work.

I can't wait any longer! First time hearing her sing English and she's absolutely TERRIFIC! First time watching her live too (don't count the premiere of YTW because I got to watch 2 min of it)

 

[EenGevolg]

Anyway, that's all. I caught wind of the absolutely bonkers Yumenographia/Yakuza ties discussion the other day and quickly realised that good faith discussion about Anycolor/Niji is less favourable than simply parroting 4ch rrats to compensate for lack of understanding on the subject matter. It made me happy seeing some Holofans here subscribe to Selen after her birthday stream, but on the whole the only time Niji discussions gain any traction is when they're getting blasted, which is exhausting when I want to talk about them more positively.

I do honestly agree that it feels like some people around only ever acknowledge Niji's existence just to shit on it. I don't really think that's out of flat out malice or console wars, though; with how saturated the market is, people just aren't going to have the time to watch everything out there and, considering that Hololive alone has 60+ members at this point, following another top agency with over twice that number would be intimidating.

If you don't actively follow something, let's be real, you're going to catch the negative news or drama about it far more often than the positives. As a probably TMI example, I don't follow Fortnite or League at all, and I only ever hear about how Fortnite stole Among Us' concept and what not, even though both are almost undoubtedly doing better than ever, whether League's billion spinoffs, or Fortnite being even more mainstream than before. That's why as crappy as it seems for people to ignore anything Niji other than to try dunking on it, it honestly feels understandable enough. If anything, it's honestly great to see people who normally only talk Holo try looking across the river, whether for Niji or indies.

If it helps, I do think your input on Niji is greatly appreciated, and you're probably one of the better-known people on this thread (whether that's because of being the most vocal Niji shill is a story for another day).

 

[Nolan Crush]

Chloe winning