The Dead Internet Theory

It's not the naive devotion to state power that bothers me about Europeans, it's how smug they are about their naivete. Maybe it's because their rinky dink "intelligence services" spend all their time arresting citizens for saying muslims smell bad online, and don't have a storied and publicly known history of manipulating public opinion in foreign countries and at home for political ends like the United States' do. It creates an inferiority complex, always living in the United State's shadow.
Reminder - almost all European countries have had an open rebellion or political upset in the last hundred years.

America is the only one which hasn't had this. This is why they have these laws but America does not.

Read some history, it'll do you good.
 
Reminder - almost all European countries have had an open rebellion or political upset in the last hundred years.

America is the only one which hasn't had this. This is why they have these laws but America does not.

Read some history, it'll do you good.
I don't see how this contradicts anything I've said, or really what it has to do with my point. Do you just want to condescend about nothing? How European. All of the heinous shit intelligence agencies in the US have done was done in the last 100, if not 50 years. I have read some history, that's why I'm suspicious of state power.

Edit: MOST of the heinous shit. Remember the USS Maine!
 
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This is genuinely interesting to think about. I hardly participate on social media. Hell I hardly participate here. So does my normalfag friend group. The idea of plebbit being a giant botnet really gets my schizoboner raging.
Does anyone know how much these professional shills or bot managers make?
The majority of internet traffic is from bots. The best botters likely make 10's of millions a year. A bit of a powerlevel, but there are more ways to make money than promoting sites for meeting hot & ready MILFs in your area. Some examples of methods people use/sell are building a false consensus around elections, positive/negative mentioning of a brand, selling followers/likes, burying or promoting information, and other assorted fuckery.

 
I don't see how this contradicts anything I've said, or really what it has to do with my point. Do you just want to condescend about nothing? How European. All of the heinous shit intelligence agencies in the US have done was done in the last 100, if not 50 years. I have read some history, that's why I'm suspicious of state power.

Edit: MOST of the heinous shit. Remember the USS Maine!
Excluding the UK, France and Spain and most of Eastern Europe, this may be true.

I mean, yes, I am aware of these infringements by the US state but the European states have done far worse.

The smugness isn't to do with being in a better or less disturbing position, it's because European countries lie more skillfully than America does.

Look at the assassination of Jo Cox - A 40 year old Nationalist killed an MP so the state immediately made a separate, unrelated Nationalist group, National Action, illegal (despite it being a youth organisation) and retroactively arrested former members, imprisoned them, then had them killed one-by-one in their cells. Once you look in depth, the European states show a far worse side. It's just that American overreach is famous, whereas British is secretive, as are France and Spain.
 
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I got 20 minute into the first video and had to stop. I wish this guy would stay on topic. I'm a proponent of DIT in isolation. That being: the internet's population and most of it's interactions are fake. This guy trails off into all modern music and movies being AI generated. You don't need a conspiracy theory to explain why modern media is shit. The cherry on top is how anime is the superior form of entertainment. That just lets you know who you're dealing with.

Tbh, if I were going to make a video to try an discredit DIT and make it's proponents sound like basket cases, this is exactly the kind of video I'd make. This is textbook WAKE UP SHEEPLE.
 
I got 20 minute into the first video and had to stop. I wish this guy would stay on topic. I'm a proponent of DIT in isolation. That being: the internet's population and most of it's interactions are fake. This guy trails off into all modern music and movies being AI generated. You don't need a conspiracy theory to explain why modern media is shit. The cherry on top is how anime is the superior form of entertainment. That just lets you know who you're dealing with.

Tbh, if I were going to make a video to try an discredit DIT and make it's proponents sound like basket cases, this is exactly the kind of video I'd make. This is textbook WAKE UP SHEEPLE.
That's something an AI would say.
 
I got 20 minute into the first video and had to stop. I wish this guy would stay on topic. I'm a proponent of DIT in isolation. That being: the internet's population and most of it's interactions are fake. This guy trails off into all modern music and movies being AI generated. You don't need a conspiracy theory to explain why modern media is shit. The cherry on top is how anime is the superior form of entertainment. That just lets you know who you're dealing with.

Tbh, if I were going to make a video to try an discredit DIT and make it's proponents sound like basket cases, this is exactly the kind of video I'd make. This is textbook WAKE UP SHEEPLE.
What I would really like to see done is have many people compile activity data for many smaller niche channels, and compare that to the activity on the supermassive accounts feeding the same niche interest. The numbers are obviously fudged on YT. The audience is finite for most users, there really is an invisible glass ceiling, and even the quality uploaders hit it. The only mystery is who creates the apparent activity beyond the ceiling.
 
I've noticed within the last year or two there are a lot of Youtube comments which just don't seem human. They will post some generic nonsense with a timestamp or worse they just put a timestamp without any context (sometimes the timesamp is past the length of the video). The accounts don't seem very organic and they're not trying to achieve any goal. They're not trolls, there is definitely not a human behind these accounts but they are increasing in number.
 
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I've noticed within the last year or two there are a lot of Youtube comments which just don't seem human. They will post some generic nonsense with a timestamp or worse they just put a timestamp without any context (sometimes the timesamp is past the length of the video). The accounts don't seem very organic and they're not trying to achieve any goal. They're not trolls, there is definitely not a human behind these accounts but they are increasing in number.
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The smugness isn't to do with being in a better or less disturbing position, it's because European countries lie more skillfully than America does.
I agree with the rest of your post but smugness is smugness, people in the UK support the government when they think they're getting handouts. Whilst there is an anti-authoritarian thread throughout the UK, its begging guised as rebellion as most of those people empower the same government they rail against depending on what they get out of it (The worst do it just to huff their own shit). Don't dare try telling them they're recieving those benefits off of the back of someone elses labour unless you want to be a pariah. Some even turn hostile.

It sucks to live in the UK when you realise this, and the fact that its not gonna change. Far too many have become reliant on government now its just a matter of time before the hollowed out skeleton of an economy finally snaps under the burden.

I can't put all the blame on the people, our public education is indoctrination at this point except for basic math and science.

There is a little hope as anti-authoritarianism seems to be growing but I think its too little, far too late.
 
I've noticed within the last year or two there are a lot of Youtube comments which just don't seem human. They will post some generic nonsense with a timestamp or worse they just put a timestamp without any context (sometimes the timesamp is past the length of the video). The accounts don't seem very organic and they're not trying to achieve any goal. They're not trolls, there is definitely not a human behind these accounts but they are increasing in number.
Tbh youtube comments seem to be the MOST organic of any platform. That isn't to say they're entirely clean, of course, but it's not like the overtly obvious manipulation of twitter. Most "bot-like" comments I see on youtube are probably just unfunny 10 year olds.

There might be significant manipulation on 'trending' videos, but I don't hang out there much. The mid-range seems relatively untampered with. On twitter, everything that gets more than 500 likes is flooded with obvious bots.
 
Most "bot-like" comments I see on youtube are probably just unfunny 10 year olds.
You're right there and if it were a post with a timestamp and some unfunny "me when the X" comment I'd know it's a human, a 10 year old trying to be a funny. However there are other comments which have a timestamp and either nothing or something completely unreleated to the video and if I click on the timestamp there will be nothing special happening at that part of the video. I don't have any screenshots but if I see any again I will make sure to capture them. These bots don't appear to be trying to boost the creator because I've had a few of them on my channel before and then they disappear after a few weeks. I've never paid for any bot promotions or anything of the sort. They were more noticable on smaller channels because of the lack of real comments.
 
The internet is still a clusterfuck of opposing forces trying to mine whatever data or value they can from the internet.

If you dig on any place long enough you'll find some strange methods of money making. Just like how in Runescape There are still operations run by Venezuelans to mine RS gold and trade it for real money.

In Reddit you have accounts that exist to Repost popular posts around various Subreddits to mine Karma and then they'll sell the account for a couple thousand.

Then you have Chinks and Pajeets selling clicks by the thousand. They have literal sweatshops filled with mobile devices to click on videos, like posts and make simple comments.

Then you have gorvement run bots and accounts. Russia, China, Israel and America who are just mining data and making shit lists of anyone posting they don't like. They also try to derail pages and spread misinformation.

It's a clusterfuck. And all the boomers don't understand it.

And every website has admins that have an agenda that bump posts they approve of to the front pages of their websites. And they have algorithms to push the content that keeps you glued to the screen. In entertainment and products there's always a science behind some marketing decisions. Just like how Junkfood snacks are artificially made to keep you addicted. Social media and other media is being constructed in the same way, to keep you addicted.


So to call it simply a Dead Internet is just the tip of the iceberg.




Going to put my tinfoil hat back on.
 
I've noticed within the last year or two there are a lot of Youtube comments which just don't seem human. They will post some generic nonsense with a timestamp or worse they just put a timestamp without any context (sometimes the timesamp is past the length of the video). The accounts don't seem very organic and they're not trying to achieve any goal. They're not trolls, there is definitely not a human behind these accounts but they are increasing in number.
They're bots testing different approaches to avoid getting flagged as spammers and/or banned. The garbage they're posting in those cases is meaningless and the accounts themselves aren't intended for "production" use -- they're literally just disposable probes.
 
People need to learn not to take the bait. Its more important than ever.
Also to simply ignore discussions that aren't productive (or funny, entertaining, what ever you want).

I was watching this leftie kind of film festival thing online during Covid and there was a chat there.
It was kind of cool because you could kinda participate in discussions with directors, journalists and what not who were having a live discussion on stream before and after a movie.


Anyway a lot of leftie stuff as you can imagine, but intellectual, kosher kind of things. Not really the woke type of things but anti-war, corporate greed, Assange, freedom of speech, etc.

Then you had this guy, well two really, that started making super outlandish claims.
One was aiming at the very conspiratorial stuff while an other was trying to bait everyone into an Israeli-Palestine discussion.

The movie wasn't about the NWO conspiracy or Israel-Palestine and despite everyone having opinions one way or an other on both these subjects nobody took the bait. I don't think it was a troll. I think the two persons just really wanted to talk about their pet subjects. But people behaved as they actually would when shit like this happens in a bar and a random person or a drunk friend starts railing off in a random direction. People just ignored them.

And that needs to happen more.
 
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