YouTube Historians/HistoryTube/PopHistory

[Telecom]

On Cody from AHH being a leftie: Is funny because I remember seeing him commenting in Metokur's videos.

Cody also commented on E;R videos which is a no-no to lefties and interacted with old newgrounds animators like psychicpebbles and ricepirate.

Cody is easily the most tolerable and to this day I refuse to believe he has changed his views on communism. He likely is just hiding his power level because he realized all the ideologues are in his corner while the friendly aspies gather to talk about fossils.

At most I think he just likes Jesse Ventura.

Cody use to be somewhere between a south park libertarian and a religious jesse ventura. He seems to be a generic middle American personality type who grew up on youtube. If it still exists somewhere, there was a podcast episode with exubra1 (lol) from years ago which shows his personality early on. I find it somewhat funny as exubra1's style was an early breadtube precursor with a whole sexual assault controversy about him. People forget alternate history hub predates breadtube, the skeptics, and almost the wider sjw and anti-sjw trend.

If he has become socialist, the move probably did come from becoming more religious with that sort of e-catholic integralism ideology. The crossover between left and right both ways through that is pretty common. Though, in my observations, e-catholics like that have a habit of being easy to influence.

 

[Radola Gajda]

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Lol USSR abolishing Imperial Gulags thats good one.
Term Gulag is shortcut .
That is roughly translated as Central Administration of work camps.
It was part of goverment that ran camps and prisons.

Yeah Imperial Russia had prisons and even sent dissidents to settle in Siberia. But work camps are invention of Lenins regime.

Speaking about Gulags I have seen argument from Cypher and other Commie filth: Ackshually USSR did disolve Gulags during 1950s.
Yeah gulag organization was disolved , but camps still existed and were used pretty much for rest of Soviet lifespan even if in reduced capacity.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

Speaking about Gulags I have seen argument from Cypher and other Commie filth: Ackshually USSR did disolve Gulags during 1950s.
Yeah gulag organization was disolved , but camps still existed and were used pretty much for rest of Soviet lifespan even if in reduced capacity.

They will also say "Well ackshually no one died because of the gulags". When you bring up the gulag prisoners that died building the Kolyma highway "well they technically were not in the gulags so it doesn't count".


On the topic of Cypher, here's a take from one of Cypher's viewers that is more crazier then he is.

 

[Corpun]

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I see the opinion that Cody is a leftist quite often. Is there evidence for this? It would be interesting to know what the boss thinks.

Catholic socialist? I'm assuming AHH once talked about distributism.

They will also say "Well ackshually no one died because of the gulags". When you bring up the gulag prisoners that died building the Kolyma highway "well they technically were not it the gulags so it doesn't count".


On the topic of Cypher, here's a take from one of Cypher's viewers that is more crazier then he is.
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Why am I not surprised someone with the name comrade is justifying the Soviet genocides in the Baltic states. Those fuckers basically culturally destroyed the region and the countries there have suffered since then.

 

[Slap47]

Speaking about Gulags I have seen argument from Cypher and other Commie filth: Ackshually USSR did disolve Gulags during 1950s.
Yeah gulag organization was disolved , but camps still existed and were used pretty much for rest of Soviet lifespan even if in reduced capacity.

One must wonder... although more people are imprisoned, he does say worse which suggests one is more preferable.

 

[Mexican_Wizard_711]

Point taken.


Here's the thing though; I'm not even basing my argument off of Chang's book. There are many sources outside of that book, particularly from surviving soldiers and victims that make it clear that the massacre happened and it was extensive. That's my point. If Chang's book can be praised for anything, its that it encouraged a renewed interest in scholarship regarding this event. But the controversy and rise of actual first hand proof of the Rape of Nanking far predate her book. Remember how the Japanese Army Veterans Association ended up gathering numerous first hand accounts proving that the massacre was real and as widespread as claimed, entirely by accident? Yeah, that happened in 1984. Chang didn't publish her book till 1997. And yes, there are many in Japan that refuse to acknowledge that the massacre happened to this very day, including many prominent politicians serving the Japanese Diet right now. Many Japanese still aren't even familiar with the massacre, despite it involving their own soldiers, and it isn't a focus of their schooling. But I don't think we are that far apart on this issue, so I will drop it here.


The "made up" testimonies and outright fabrications mean little in the grand scheme of things; the actual known and verifiable history is so horrible, that the fabrications just kind of seem like a moot thing to worry about. Only those who are intent to try to discredit the incident would use those exaggerations by certain individuals to justify denying the occurrence, just like those who deny the Holocaust will use any excuse the can find to say it didn't happen.

Who give a shit! Japan created Anime, China created COVID
That's all that matters

Anyways, my video tax

 

[Radola Gajda]

I know potential failure was talked about couple pages back, but this video of his was recomended today to me by YouTube.
So leťs look at his arguments

As always he gets some things right, but lot of stuff wrong.
1) There are works and books written where you from the start have theory and find sources that back up your theory.
It often happens where there is debate. To explain your stance, convince others.

2) Entire 19 th and part of 20th century there was dominant "school of historical thought" called positivism .
And to explain in short positivists goal was to provide historical facts and let reader come to his own conclusion

3) And here is big thing sources. Victor gets option to just dont release stuff to public that makes them look bad leťs imagine situation you are historian in UK in 1950s and want to write book about Allied War crimes do you think you get access to sources from same people who are responsible for warcrimes?
Another problem is even if things are going downhill we still today live in relative free society luxury most didnt have in past so dont expect books talking about things rulling class didnt want in past.
Another problem is many historians are one way or the other employees of state and enjoy eating like everyone else so they usually avoid "controversial" topics.

Lastly state controls education so it can shape public perception of events.

Enough ranting.

Tldr: While not always true : History is written by winners. Winner usually have ability to shape how events are remembered.

 

[Corpun]

Tldr: While not always true : History is written by winners. Winner usually have ability to shape how events are remembered.

This narrative was taken up by the breadtube/breadtuber adjacent history tube starting about a year ago, because filthy right wing chuds started suggesting the historical narratives for wars like the World Wars or the Civil War have been written now from a victors point of view, and any wrongdoing from the good guys is deliberately censored. Strangely enough these people will go on to talk about how the US was terrible in WW2 because they segregated the army, etc.

 

[Flaming Insignias]

This narrative was taken up by the breadtube/breadtuber adjacent history tube starting about a year ago, because filthy right wing chuds started suggesting the historical narratives for wars like the World Wars or the Civil War have been written now from a victors point of view, and any wrongdoing from the good guys is deliberately censored. Strangely enough these people will go on to talk about how the US was terrible in WW2 because they segregated the army, etc.

Worse, I’ve seen some people try to claim that the history is written by the losers because the CSA wasn’t seen as pure evil in the years immediately following the war. Never mind that no historians will even humor the suggestion that secession may have been justified and the fact that Sherman torching the South is celebrated when such behavior would be declared a war crime if the CSA had done similar.

 

[Corpun]

Worse, I’ve seen some people try to claim that the history is written by the losers because the CSA wasn’t seen as pure evil in the years immediately following the war. Never mind that no historians will even humor the suggestion that secession may have been justified and the fact that Sherman torching the South is celebrated when such behavior would be declared a war crime if the CSA had done similar.

Yeah, probabluy one of the best signs that yes, history is written by victors comes from Rome. We have nothing of Carthaginian texts that survived the Punic Wars. Why? Because the Romans fucking holocausted Carthaginian culture to the ground, the only reason we know Carthage was a thing is ecause Roman writers wrote about how much of a rival they were to Roman dominance in Mare Nostrum. Ceasar wrote his commentaries on both the Gallic and Ceasarian Civil War and provides most of the narrative we have for both, and it is heavily propagandized by shfting blame onto subrdinates and vastly overstatig sizes or enemy armies he crushed,

 

[Übertroon]

Breadtube holds the paradoxical view that history is not written by the winner because there's not enough pushback against narratives sympathetic to the axis, but also supporting the idea that 20th century history is in dire need of massive historical revision because the west has since the war been in charge of the post war narrative. The only reason why the axis narrative prevails is because of the desire for revising the post war narrative.

I think the problem breadtube has is that too much focus has been given to the axis narrative and not to the Soviets. Good luck with that I guess, I think besides "hurrah, fascists defeated" the Soviets didn't have much of a narrative. During Stalin it was all thanks to great dear leader, but then with Kruschev and de-stalinization that was no longer the case. The Soviets never seemed to agree on if the allies were just in the way or even actively supporting the axis against communism, and since the fall of the Soviet Union the Russians have done their best to remove any communist narrative from the Great patriotic war.

 

[Flaming Insignias]

Breadtube holds the paradoxical view that history is not written by the winner because there's not enough pushback against narratives sympathetic to the axis, but also supporting the idea that 20th century history is in dire need of massive historical revision because the west has since the war been in charge of the post war narrative. The only reason why the axis narrative prevails is because of the desire for revising the post war narrative.

I think the problem breadtube has is that too much focus has been given to the axis narrative and not to the Soviets. Good luck with that I guess, I think besides "hurrah, fascists defeated" the Soviets didn't have much of a narrative. During Stalin it was all thanks to great dear leader, but then with Kruschev and de-stalinization that was no longer the case. The Soviets never seemed to agree on if the allies were just in the way or even actively supporting the axis against communism, and since the fall of the Soviet Union the Russians have done their best to remove any communist narrative from the Great patriotic war.

The Breadtube logic is simple: the narrative must be thoroughly opposed to the Axis powers without even considering the reasons why countries would side with the Nazis on the Eastern Front, and it must downplay the Western Front and amplify flaws of the Western Allies to such an extent that the Red Army is depicted as morally flawless and the sole reason for an Allied Victory. That’s why the Bengal Famine has suddenly become so popular to talk about: it provides a good whataboutism in regards to the Holodomor by comparing the wartime quotas designed to feed the troops with quotas demanded during peace to starve a breadbasket.
Similarly, there has been a push to claim that the Soviets were totally going to crush Japan if America hadn’t dropped the bomb as a dick-waving move. Nobody wants to admit that the Red Army was reliant on the US for everything and had a litany of war crimes to their name.

 

[Radola Gajda]

The Breadtube logic is simple: the narrative must be thoroughly opposed to the Axis powers without even considering the reasons why countries would side with the Nazis on the Eastern Front, and it must downplay the Western Front and amplify flaws of the Western Allies to such an extent that the Red Army is depicted as morally flawless and the sole reason for an Allied Victory. That’s why the Bengal Famine has suddenly become so popular to talk about: it provides a good whataboutism in regards to the Holodomor by comparing the wartime quotas designed to feed the troops with quotas demanded during peace to starve a breadbasket.
Similarly, there has been a push to claim that the Soviets were totally going to crush Japan if America hadn’t dropped the bomb as a dick-waving move. Nobody wants to admit that the Red Army was reliant on the US for everything and had a litany of war crimes to their name.

Well you have over million of Soviet citizens defect to the Axis. And guess what they knew well how bad they will be treated by Nazis.And mere fact of being taken alive as PoW by Axis was considered treason of state, by Stalin regime.

 

[Wilhelm Bittrich]

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One must wonder... although more people are imprisoned, he does say worse which suggests one is more preferable.

Comparing the incarceration rate of the US with the Great Purge is seriously the dumbest shit I've ever heard from one of these wannabe YouTube historians.
Cypher also conveniently forgets that most of those purged during 1936 to 1938 were killed either outright or in the Gulag system. Death toll is an estimated 700,000 but newer research which includes now open former secret archives go up to 950.000 to 1.2 million killed.
He also doesn't mention all the other NKVD massacres that happened like Katyn and some others which add another 100.000 deaths to the toll.
Tbh, that whole Twitter post is just a dumb take of an uninformed/clueless idiot with absolutely no background knowledge of the matter at hand.
That's the result when High Schoolers call themselves "historian" and have a YouTube channel, dumb takes by people who should at best work at Krogers.

 

[Slap47]

That's the result when High Schoolers call themselves "historian" and have a YouTube channel, dumb takes by people who should at best work at Krogers.

They're 2/3rds through a PhD program.

 

[Wilhelm Bittrich]

They're 2/3rds through a PhD program.

2/3rds through means nothing, most drop out of the process at exactly that point. If you have defended your thesis and you're waiting outside, then when you're asked to come in again with the words "Please come in, Doctor." then you have made it.
Also PhD of what? History, Philosophy, Social sciences, Liberal Arts, Mathematics or Natural Philosophy/Sciences?
Every field except Law, Medicine and Theology can earn you a PhD. A PhD in Mathematics makes you a PhD but you're still not a historian.

 

[Radola Gajda]

Comparing the incarceration rate of the US with the Great Purge is seriously the dumbest shit I've ever heard from one of these wannabe YouTube historians.
Cypher also conveniently forgets that most of those purged during 1936 to 1938 were killed either outright or in the Gulag system. Death toll is an estimated 700,000 but newer research which includes now open former secret archives go up to 950.000 to 1.2 million killed.
He also doesn't mention all the other NKVD massacres that happened like Katyn and some others which add another 100.000 deaths to the toll.
Tbh, that whole Twitter post is just a dumb take of an uninformed/clueless idiot with absolutely no background knowledge of the matter at hand.
That's the result when High Schoolers call themselves "historian" and have a YouTube channel, dumb takes by people who should at best work at Krogers.

Problem with counting accurate Gulag deaths is there was practice of releasing of those who were on deaths door So they dropped dead couple couple days / weeks later.

2/3rds through means nothing, most drop out of the process at exactly that point. If you have defended your thesis and you're waiting outside, then when you're asked to come in again with the words "Please come in, Doctor." then you have made it.
Also PhD of what? History, Philosophy, Social sciences, Liberal Arts, Mathematics or Natural Philosophy/Sciences?
Every field except Law, Medicine and Theology can earn you a PhD. A PhD in Mathematics makes you a PhD but you're still not a historian.

Even if you have PhD in history that doesnt mean you are expert on everything history related. Yeah you know more than average person (probably), but nobody is autistic enough to do deep enough reaserch to become expert on everything history related. Pretty much every historian ends up specialising in certain field: Medieval central Europe, Roman Empire, 100 years war....

 

[Wilhelm Bittrich]

Problem with counting accurate Gulag deaths is there was practice of releasing of those who were on deaths door So they dropped dead couple couple days / weeks later.

I concur. Also I might add that many were just shot without a trial on Berijas behest (and ofc no paper trail) and many of those who were the henchmen in the beginning got the bullet themselves later in the purges like Yagoda.

Even if you have PhD in history that doesnt mean you are expert on everything history related. Yeah you know more than average person (probably), but nobody is autistic enough to do deep enough reaserch to become expert on everything history related. Pretty much every historian ends up specialising in certain field: Medieval central Europe, Roman Empire, 100 years war....

Exactly. If somebody writes a book about every aspect of human history he most likely is a Jack of all trades and a master of none, or he works for the "History Channel".

 

[Corpun]

He also doesn't mention all the other NKVD massacres that happened like Katyn and some others which add another 100.000 deaths to the toll.

Ummm Katyn was Nazi propaganda and Western propaganda. Even if it did happen the Poles deserved it for not liking the love of communism. /sneed

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

They're 2/3rds through a PhD program.

Isn't the Cynical Historian training to be a University Professor? I'm not sure what Potental History does in real life.