Mass casualty incident reported after tornado hits Amazon distribution center in Illinois - Officials are confirming there are fatalities at the Amazon facility in Edwardsville following Friday night’s severe weather.

I love living in the Southeast, never really want to leave and if I ever do I will return as soon as possible.

However, tornadoes are absolutely the worst part of living here. It's hard to describe just how terrifying it is, having to pack a few bags and flee to your grandma's basement, knowing that you or your town could be the next to get hit, knowing that whatever you managed to pack in your bag may end up being all that you have by the end of the storm. Those sirens. When I eventually (hopefully) am able to buy a home, it MUST have a basement. I don't care if it's leaky or has a dirt floor. I HAVE to have a basement.

I was in elementary during the April 2011 mass outbreak event, and a neighboring town is one that was essentially flattened. Years later I got to meet people my age from that town through school activities and I heard their stories. Can you imagine being part of a search and rescue party at 12 years old and finding one of your teachers impaled on a tree? That was a major event, so based on predictions we knew we were going to have tornadoes, just not THAT major (IIRC). So as a result, my school released early last minute as the skies started going back and the wind picked up. I saw a huge garbage can fly around in the air through a window.
If interested, you can always buy an above-ground shelter. This one is meant to be in a garage, but they sell them for outside too, just make sure a licensed contractor installs it in concrete with rebar. I’ve seen designs like this with bunk beds and TV installed. Price range varies depending on how many people you have, but it can’t be anymore expensive than digging out a basement. It can also be used as a panic room.

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If interested, you can always buy an above-ground shelter. This one is meant to be in a garage, but they sell them for outside too, just make sure a licensed contractor installs it in concrete with rebar. I’ve seen designs like this with bunk beds and TV installed. Price range varies depending on how many people you have, but it can’t be anymore expensive than digging out a basement. It can also be used as a panic room.

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Those are convenient & all, but they're still too small & exposed. But from what I've seen, an F4/5 long-track would simply take it with the whole trailer or building. The only thing left are bare bank vaults.

If I get a chance, I'll take a picture of the shelter/bunker we built at our old place. It's essentially a large concrete septic-tank with a doorway sunk into the ground, covered with dirt. The entrance is concrete & cinderblock, plus topped with anchored railroad ties, for if we didn't quite make it into the shelter. Kind of like one of these, but set into the ground, with a short set of stairs down.
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Fain Storm Shelters, standard hillside

Everything together with labor, it cost us around $6500, though it could've been done for $5k w/o the extras. It's big enough to use for storage of kitchen & emergency goods, so that was an advantage over the aboveground shelters as well.

Though we own that land; I can't see someone in a trailerpark doing the same (at least without looking like tweakers or literal Trailerpark Boys), so the aboveground shelters are better than bathrooms. I just suggest thoroughly padding the interior; as we've seen recently in Mexico, being thrown against a metal wall in a tumbling metal box is deadly. And the fact it'd be soundproof is a plus.
 
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Mayfield is obliterated. Stronger building even of brick and reasonable sander block were raised to the ground too. Quite a tornado storm.

No doubt we will hear from rednecks how God chose to save them - but not offer an explanation as to why the other 100 odd people were killed by God.

An F5 can pull you right out of the ground in your basement. People don't even have a clue how powerful a tornado like that is. The ''If they just had brick buildings'' comments on other news sites are ridiculous.
 
An F5 can pull you right out of the ground in your basement. People don't even have a clue how powerful a tornado like that is. The ''If they just had brick buildings'' comments on other news sites are ridiculous.
Just from the drone footage/photos of the aftermath, one can see quite a few brick buildings that were essentially annihilated and quite a few bricks laying around, I don't know if those people are retarded or they don't understand the EF scale or something, but with an F5 pretty much anything above ground is not good enough, and a typical basement will often fail in that situation too. If the rest of the house goes, and it will in an F5 - you're going with it unless that basement is built like a bunker or you have a specialized reinforced area purpose-built.

PL but I grew up in mobile homes, and where I was living then, tornadoes aren't the biggest concern. There are no requirements of trailer park landlords to have any kind of significant structure for shelter during a tornado, but I used to hear neighbors and the like say: "Well, I'll just get my dogs and jump in the bathtub with my mattress." When said bathtubs are your typical plastic/acrylic affair, since mobile homes have the cheapest fixtures that can be had. I told them that was a shitty plan, not only the bathtub idea, but also the idea that you would even have time to gather up your pets [who will be scared shitless and probably running/hiding] or maneuver a mattress into the cramped ass bathroom. Place was on a flood plain too, which was a recovered swamp, so the weather had a big ass bag of tricks for us every year. One of the guys who told me that had a waterbed, too.

Essentially living in such a thing, you accept that if a tornado comes around, even an F1, if it comes anywhere near your home it's going to be a cloud of splintered fragments in a second, and you likely will be too. Let alone a fucking F5, there wouldn't be anything left of a mobile home bigger than a car's floormat most likely. My plan was always to drive somewhere with substantial shelter, or worst case, try to get the fuck out of its way. Still pretty stupid but I figured it was better than waiting around to die.
 
Just from the drone footage/photos of the aftermath, one can see quite a few brick buildings that were essentially annihilated and quite a few bricks laying around, I don't know if those people are retarded or they don't understand the EF scale or something, but with an F5 pretty much anything above ground is not good enough, and a typical basement will often fail in that situation too. If the rest of the house goes, and it will in an F5 - you're going with it unless that basement is built like a bunker or you have a specialized reinforced area purpose-built.

PL but I grew up in mobile homes, and where I was living then, tornadoes aren't the biggest concern. There are no requirements of trailer park landlords to have any kind of significant structure for shelter during a tornado, but I used to hear neighbors and the like say: "Well, I'll just get my dogs and jump in the bathtub with my mattress." When said bathtubs are your typical plastic/acrylic affair, since mobile homes have the cheapest fixtures that can be had. I told them that was a shitty plan, not only the bathtub idea, but also the idea that you would even have time to gather up your pets [who will be scared shitless and probably running/hiding] or maneuver a mattress into the cramped ass bathroom. Place was on a flood plain too, which was a recovered swamp, so the weather had a big ass bag of tricks for us every year. One of the guys who told me that had a waterbed, too.

Essentially living in such a thing, you accept that if a tornado comes around, even an F1, if it comes anywhere near your home it's going to be a cloud of splintered fragments in a second, and you likely will be too. Let alone a fucking F5, there wouldn't be anything left of a mobile home bigger than a car's floormat most likely. My plan was always to drive somewhere with substantial shelter, or worst case, try to get the fuck out of its way. Still pretty stupid but I figured it was better than waiting around to die.
Yes, it’s a sad fact, but no matter what you do an E4-E5 will obliterate everything in its path and the only thing that will save you is pure luck.

The scariest thing I ever went through (not including hurricanes) was when a smaller tornado basically jumped over my house. Right before it happened, my dog went to the front door, started sniffing, and then looked at me terrified. A minute later it felt like the air was being sucked out of the house. I don’t know how to describe it. The house took minor damage, but damn that sound and feeling always stuck with me.
 
Tornadoes can also happen outside of a tornado watch, in this year's summer in one outbreak, some state was under a tornado watch for hours then was called off which fortunately nothing happened. Unfortunately, a stray tornado appeared minutes after the watch was called off
It's why some people only breathe a sigh of relief after the storm line is past them, not when the watch is called off, because of how fickle storms can be and some just can't be predicted because of it. Brief spin-ups can be like this too, mostly from hurricanes.

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That sounds really weird, concrete sounds like good for shelter, but them collapsing inward with whatever the roof is made of? Something might be wrong with the walls, its the wrong kind of concrete, or thats a really strong nado.
That is 100% NORMAL for a steel truss roof building such as a warehouse. The roof trusses fail and the building folds inwards. It's simply how that type of building collapses.
 
Yes, it’s a sad fact, but no matter what you do an E4-E5 will obliterate everything in its path and the only thing that will save you is pure luck.

The scariest thing I ever went through (not including hurricanes) was when a smaller tornado basically jumped over my house. Right before it happened, my dog went to the front door, started sniffing, and then looked at me terrified. A minute later it felt like the air was being sucked out of the house. I don’t know how to describe it. The house took minor damage, but damn that sound and feeling always stuck with me.

Yes. And a lot of the ''Tornado advice'' like go in the basement, go in a closet, bathtub or sold brick structure is only for the lower Fujita scale tornado's. An F5 is something else. You're finished unless it misses your path or you have a heavy duty storm shelter built into the ground. Most people don't have these shelters, theyr'e expensive as Hell to put in and people outside Tornado alley don't even think they have a use for them or don't really know about them.
 
I was taking a look today at some more images from Mayfield. Jesus Christ. Those poor bastards.
It really does take your breath away at the destruction.

That town will be much like the poorer parts of LA where they promised to rebuild, but never really did, and it will be forever a town that looks like it was torn to shreds. People will walk away with the money, unable to build with increased costs or to specs demanded.

Given the costs currently to build and the lack of resources, that town is going to look like a shithole for a decade.

On the bright side given the state of the court house, anyone with a warrant or court appearance just got an extra few months and some sympathy coming their way!

It entirely reminded me of the scene from "Twister" where that tornado hit in the middle of the night, dark an ominous like the wrath of God; unfeeling and entirely random at who would be hit and without remorse.

And needless to say it would not surprise me if all the building codes now change in this location adding significant costs to rebuild that probably wasn't considered in the insurance policies when they were taken out.

Time to dig out the wallet and help some people but alas, they voted for Trump overwhelmingly so I have to tuck it back in my pants.
 
I was taking a look today at some more images from Mayfield. Jesus Christ. Those poor bastards.
It really does take your breath away at the destruction.

That town will be much like the poorer parts of LA where they promised to rebuild, but never really did, and it will be forever a town that looks like it was torn to shreds. People will walk away with the money, unable to build with increased costs or to specs demanded.
That's exactly what happened here. It took 5 years for them to just to rebuild the courthouse, a small & square municipal building. But still nothing exists where downtown & the entire neighborhood before it stood, about 3-4 blocks long.
Time to dig out the wallet and help some people
Want to know something fucked up? As soon as FEMA arrived here, they tried to stop local churches collecting private donations, even the ones which had been completely or partially destroyed. I stopped at one of the water & ration distribution points to donate bottled water, and tried to lay a hundo on the deacon before I left.

He hurriedly stopped me, asked me over to his truck, and told me to write my details down. As I did, he pointed out the FEMA supervisor standing nearby and told me they weren't allowing private donations, because FEMA was supposed to be helping. When I finished writing, I had to slide the bill under the paper and pass it to him, which both unsettled & pissed me off. It felt like a dystopian drug-deal, which it shouldn't have.

Later on I got a handwritten thank-you note from the pastor, which made me feel a little better about it. But what still infuriates a lot of us is that FEMA never followed through on their end, and a lot of people without insurance never got shit from them. Hell, there's people still living in FEMA trailers, which is a whole different fucked-up thing too.
but alas, they voted for Trump overwhelmingly so I have to tuck it back in my pants.
And just when I had hope you weren't a total loss. Good job, fucking cockgobbler; God remembers shit like that.
 
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Geez, this is so sad, glad my fam in AR weren't close. Gonna donate a little when a clear, legit fundraiser gets posted.

Selfishly, I am glad I am on vacation (I'd be off today anyway) because the number of phone calls being made must be through the roof. Sometimes it's hard to listen to conversations when they are very sad, and I wouldn't want to hear these grief-stricken souls. By next Thursday things should hopefully settle down and the first responders/families can get some rest.

Man, this really puts Covid into perspective. Stupid sniffles causing people to freak out when THIS shit happens.
 
It took almost 5 years to even clean up (mostly), though a lot of it has been overgrown; and 10 years later the scars are easily visible & felt.
Had a EF4 get within 1000' of me a 4 years ago. First thing it hit was 500 acres of old growth hardwood forest. Only thing still standing were the large oaks and they were stripped of branches up to 2-3' in diameter. Whole forest is dead with debris 10' deep on the forest floor. Everyone's house is rebuilt and it narrowly missed several small towns, but that forest is fucked for 20-30 years because no one around here had the equipment to mechanically log it. A hand faller would have been splatted sooner or later in that mess.
Mayfield is obliterated. Stronger building even of brick and reasonable sander block were raised to the ground too. Quite a tornado storm.
A weakened brick building can be partially damaged (up to 66%) by and EF2 and leveled by an EF3. Add one number for brick buildings in good condition. Add another number if the walls were over 18" thick.
 
I'm going to PL a bit and tell you all about the '89 earthquake in SF, which is the only thing close like this I experienced. SF is a strange place as far as earthquakes go because some of it is on solid bedrock and other parts are on landfill. Solid bedrock is what me and my mom were living on. Our home got shook up hard and we had damage but the structural integrity of the house held up; nevertheless we slept outside for a week due to the aftershocks. along with out neighbors. Not far away a section that was built over a filled in creek was heavily damaged and eventually condemned.

Electricity everywhere was hosed. We didn't have it. Traffic lights didn't work. Landlines were out and very few people had those brick cell phones (this was a couple of years before Desert Storm for the young'uns). Our only information came from radios or from someone who had a small portable TV. There wasn't internet as we know it now so no normies were online and since there was no electricity it made no difference.

My dad was living in a building that was on solid bedrock but everything a couple of blocks away was landfill, and those parts were not only gone, sinking into the ground and in pieces, homes caught fire due to the old wood gas mains. I went by a couple of days later to see how he was doing. Driving through the city was nightmare. Parts of it were fine, other parts looked like a bombs had destroyed whole sections. My dad told me (his landline was fine for some reason) he had no water so I stopped by a school which was a disaster relief center to pick up a couple of cases of water donated by Budweiser and bread. It had only been two days but the place was full of donated clothing, water and food. I grabbed some clothes for myself because I was wearing a fifties satin and chiffon dress, which was the only clean thing I had because it had been packed in a truck, not hanging up in a closet with plaster all over it. Some reporter thought it was hilarious (fucking journos were scum even then). He told me parts of Oakland were hit hard and that sections of the MacArthur freeway had collapsed as well as a section of the Bay Bridge. I was surprised how much had been donated in such a short time.

The Loma Prieta earthquake lasted less than eight minutes.

FEMA came by and cut me and my mom some decent money. People donated more stuff than anyone could use. Eventually I learned Oakland across the bay had been severely hit, especially the poor black area of West Oakland. No one really helped them, mostly because no one wanted to go near them. A lot of people didn't get anything from FEMA. It was all poor SF, so beautiful, so terrible.

The Red Cross was useless and used the earthquake to fundraise. FEMA helped some but not others. People all over the country and even the world donated tons of clothing, food and materials, which most of these organizations hoarded and then sold. I tell you this because the best thing we can do is raise some money, on our own, to help people out, and not give to the United Way or the Red Cross, because they aren't going to give it out consistently and fairly. Or help people rebuild.

Some of the comments on Twitter and even on KF (fuck you Menotaur) from people gloating over rednecks and Trump supporters suffering disgust me. I don't understand people like that because my first impulse is to see what I can do to help, not blame them or gloat over this horrible tragedy. Some people lost everything, they lost loved ones, their lives are wrecked.

Anyone here going out to help, let me know and send me a PM. Everyone else else making catty remarks about Trump supporting rednecks, go fuck yourself.
 
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Guess that old joke is still true - the only thing we have to fear is FEMA. While I’m not surprised at a government agency being largely useless - I’m a Leaf, it’s par for the course - it’s telling that them showing up tends to help exactly no one, from what I’ve seen…
 
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Yes, it’s a sad fact, but no matter what you do an E4-E5 will obliterate everything in its path and the only thing that will save you is pure luck.
Yes. And a lot of the ''Tornado advice'' like go in the basement, go in a closet, bathtub or sold brick structure is only for the lower Fujita scale tornado's. An F5 is something else. You're finished unless it misses your path or you have a heavy duty storm shelter built into the ground. Most people don't have these shelters, theyr'e expensive as Hell to put in and people outside Tornado alley don't even think they have a use for them or don't really know about them.
Doesn't mean you shouldn't try. Any protection from wind and debris is better than nothing.

If there's a tornado watch, you should put your shoes on. In case a tornado hits, you won't have to walk over rubble barefoot.

A few things not to do in a tornado:
  • Don't open windows to "relieve pressure". It won't help.
  • Don't take cover in the southwest corner of your basement. Stay as far away from windows, doors, and outer walls as possible
  • If on the road, do NOT take cover under an overpass. You are literally putting yourself in a wind tunnel.
  • Tornadoes can, and do, go up and down hills and hit big cities.
SF is a a strange place as far as earthquakes go because some of it is on solid bedrock and other parts are on landfill.
Isn't some of that the rubble from the 1906 quake?
 
These people are going to need a lot of help. Organization's like the ''salvation army'' (for example) are not to be trusted, I have read how they charge ''4 dollars a night'' or more for homeless people to stay in their shelters. Among several other things. Government aid takes a long time. Crowdfunding (nation wide) is what they need. Who cares about their fucking politics.
 
Isn't some of that the rubble from the 1906 quake?
Maybe but some of it is just plain old garbage. Part of the SF-Oakland Bay bridge is on landfill as is a good part of West Oakland. Every structure that was build on landfill suffered catastrophic damage since it amplifies the earthquake vibrations, bedrock does not.
These people are going to need a lot of help. Organization's like the ''salvation army'' (for example) are not to be trusted, I have read how they charge ''4 dollars a night'' or more for homeless people to stay in their shelters. Among several other things. Government aid takes a long time. Crowdfunding (nation wide) is what they need. Who cares about their fucking politics.
Orgs like the Salvation Army are useless, they're vultures.
 
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