Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Protistology]

So this Ivermectin stuff. I don't know if it works or if it doesn't, though I'm fairly sure unless you get the dosage wildly wrong it wont hurt. But I have a question - with the supposed mechanism by which it works, would that interfere with your body developing a good immune response to Covid? I.e. after having been exposed to Covid would it mean you had developed less natural immunity (because it wasn't needed) than if you hadn't been taking it? Anyone know?

What? Ivermectin prevents viral replication but you're still infected. You get infections all the time but your body deals with it before symptoms appear.

 

[Overly Serious]

What? Ivermectin prevents viral replication but you're still infected. You get infections all the time but your body deals with it before symptoms appear.

Right. My question is this. If Ivermectin prevents viral replication does that mean you'll develop a less robust immune response to it because you don't need to?

 

[fhqwhgads]

Well would ya look at that! First Omicron death here in the UK!



Died with Omicron. If it was actually a contributor to this person's death, something tells me they'd use stronger language than 'with'. This is the start of the fudging of death figures with Omicron, so that they can push these pointless boosters on all of us.

Covid boosters: Omicron spreading at "phenomenal rate" - Javid - BBC …

archived 13 Dec 2021 12:12:35 UTC

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When we inevitably don't manage to boost everyone by the end of the year, because that would require exceeding our current record for vaccinations (844,000) for every single day until then, they will limit and restrict our freedoms further. Setting us up to fail.

 

[Yuri_]

So this Ivermectin stuff. I don't know if it works or if it doesn't, though I'm fairly sure unless you get the dosage wildly wrong it wont hurt. But I have a question - with the supposed mechanism by which it works, would that interfere with your body developing a good immune response to Covid? I.e. after having been exposed to Covid would it mean you had developed less natural immunity (because it wasn't needed) than if you hadn't been taking it? Anyone know?

Someone arranged all the ivermectin studies onto https://ivmmeta.com/ to give others an idea of its effectiveness -- it seems great as a prophylaxis, good as an early treatment, and meh as a late treatment.

Ivermectin seems to block a specific protease on human cells -- the one that is responsible for cleaving the covid spike protein and allowing the virus to enter human cells for replication. You'll see a good animation of this taking place half way through this vid.

I'm not sure about your last question, and I'll actually have to look into it, because I'm now curious myself. If you use Ivermectin early into an infection, your immune system will no doubt still find some of the covid virions in your system, but I'm not sure if there's a correlation between the strength of the subsequent immune memory & the amount of virions that your immune system encountered during infection. If there is, then I assume that a full infection cycle without ivermectin would provide greater immune protection against future memevid infections.

 

[Protistology]

Right. My question is this. If Ivermectin prevents viral replication does that mean you'll develop a less robust immune response to it because you don't need to?

No, your body has been infected. Your immune system has developed anti-bodies.

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

@jje100010001 i just post stuff here for others to read what my gut says is true/ possible . Think of it as using wisdom stat instead of intelect . I am a slav janitor and barely understand some of it so i let smarter people here to read and parse it out .There have been murmurs among one of the better in terms of prediction autists people with 80% accuracy in the past few years about significant die off due to the vaccine and possible population collapse, trust in government collapse and generally we won't recognize the world we wake up in a few years . None of them came out writing proper predictions because well volatility is hard to predict but off hand comments here and there . So far it haven't been wrong . But what you summed up is basically what i am was trying to say /show .

 

[Overly Serious]

Someone arranged all the ivermectin studies onto https://ivmmeta.com/ to give others an idea of its effectiveness -- it seems great as a prophylaxis, good as an early treatment, and meh as a late treatment.

Ivermectin seems to block a specific protease on human cells -- the one that is responsible for cleaving the covid spike protein and allowing the virus to enter human cells for replication. You'll see a good animation of this taking place half way through this vid.

I'm not sure about your last question, and I'll actually have to look into it, because I'm now curious myself. If you use Ivermectin early into an infection, your immune system will no doubt still find some of the covid virions in your system, but I'm not sure if there's a correlation between the strength of the subsequent immune memory & the amount of virions that your immune system encountered during infection. If there is, then I assume that a full infection cycle without ivermectin would provide greater immune protection against future memevid infections.

Thanks. I guess full disclosure: I'm not sure if I've ever had Covid or not. I definitely had something around the early parts of when this was all kicking off and have had a couple of occasions since then when I'm certain I had some kind of illness that didn't quite feel like just a cold. But who knows? Basically I should be able to fight off Covid pretty well going by general statistics I've read. Even though I'm heavier than I should be odds are in my favour. My ideal state to be in is having had Covid with no lingering effects and a good natural immunity. Covid seems to be going around my area. Am considering trying Ivermectin as would like to minimize risk. But not necessarily at the cost of not developing the best possible natural immunity.

Thanks for the links.

 

[Meriasek]

No, your body has been infected. Your immune system has developed anti-bodies.

But if the virus never even replicates properly because it's blocked by Ivermectin, it also wouldn't produce antibodies, wouldn't it?
If you start Ivermectin after first symptoms and not before, then I guess the body would definitely already have produced antibodies and have an immune response, helped by Ivermectin limiting viral replication.
I don't know.

I should get an appointment with a cardiologist at some point. Kinda worried about my ticker.

 

[borsabil]

So this Ivermectin stuff. I don't know if it works or if it doesn't, though I'm fairly sure unless you get the dosage wildly wrong it wont hurt. But I have a question - with the supposed mechanism by which it works, would that interfere with your body developing a good immune response to Covid? I.e. after having been exposed to Covid would it mean you had developed less natural immunity (because it wasn't needed) than if you hadn't been taking it? Anyone know?

It works relatively well as a preventative, superior to Merck's Thalidomide like drug and at least as well as Pfizermectin. It works incredibly well as an early stage treatment, taken within the first 3 days of symptoms appearing. It will not alleviate symptoms but it will stop them progressing. For late stage treatment the jury is out, it may do something it likely doesn't. It's not a panacea, it's not a cure but it is a safe and effective treatment, with the emphasis on safe. We now have many decades of clinical data with billions of doses and a literal handful of adverse events. It's hundreds of times safer than Paracetamol (for example). Overdosing on Ivermectin, especially the veterinarian preparation, means you'll suffer explosive vomiting and diarrhea but otherwise you'll be fine. Will it prevent replication of the virus well enough to prevent the immune system from producing antibodies? Yes it may in individuals who respond well to the drug. Ivermectin is like any other medication, it works better on some people and not so well on others.

If Omicron turns out to be a nothing cold then sure consider not bothering with the prophylactic regime but save it for when you do return a positive Covid test and want to shorten the duration of any illness. I decided a while ago to use it for any viral like illness I might be brewing and I've been dosing myself every time I start to feel the usual symptoms of a cold coming on. Happened to me twice in the past year, both times I took 15mg with some OJ, went to bed feeling shitty and woke up the next day feeling right as rain.

TLDR we now have excellent prevention and treatment protocols for Covid.

Prevention- daily gargle with alcohol mouth wash. Vitamin D and Zinc supplementation. Ivermectin 0.2mg per kilo of body weight taken monthly.
Treatment- increase the gargles to twice a day. Ivermectin combined with a broad spectrum antibiotic to prevent secondary bacterial pneumonia. Antihistamine, Pulmocort inhaler and a low dose steroid and Aspirin which will treat fever and act as a mild anti-coagulant. Also ask your doctor for a Monoclonal antibody infusion if symptoms persist, although the current ones won't work on Omicron Covid.

 

[Protistology]

I should get an appointment with a cardiologist at some point. Kinda worried about my ticker.

Just go an Urgent Care and say your chest hurts. They'll run an EKG and some blood tests. It won't 100% clear heart problems but anything obvious will be identified.

 

[borsabil]

Just go an Urgent Care and say your chest hurts. They'll run an EKG and some blood tests. It won't 100% clear heart problems but anything obvious will be identified.

Good advice. If I had a brain transplant and decided to get the jab the last thing I'd do is tell an ER doctor that I'd just been vaccinated if I was experiencing chest pain. Happened to a friend of mine a few weeks ago when she got the booster. Sudden onset of excruciating chest pain 12 hours post vaccination. She took herself to Emergency and told the doctor she'd just had the jab. They did a very basic enzyme screen and ran a 12-lead, the doctor told her she was suffering an anxiety attack and sent her on her way. She's in her mid thirties, a non smoker, has no family history of heart disease. In the olden days, before the Covid times, her condition would be ringing every alarm bell and they'd have performed an Echocardiogram and put her on a Halter monitor at a minimum. Now? Go home and rest and take some Paracetamol because of course the vaccine is perfectly safe and effective and you're just being a woman from reading too much anti-vaxxer nonsense on the internet. Many doctors have a religious commitment to the vaccination program and will not brook any idea that they're causing illness. Myocarditis, even when the initial symptoms resolve, can set of a chain of cascading disease that will suddenly manifest with infarction. There's no way to know this unless you're a) properly diagnosed in the first place and b) carefully monitored for at least 3 years after the initial symptoms. Crushing central chest pain is not normal and it's definitely not something you want to ignore.

 

[Overly Serious]

It works relatively well as a preventative, superior to Merck's Thalidomide like drug and at least as well as Pfizermectin. It works incredibly well as an early stage treatment, taken within the first 3 days of symptoms appearing. It will not alleviate symptoms but it will stop them progressing. For late stage treatment the jury is out, it may do something it likely doesn't. It's not a panacea, it's not a cure but it is a safe and effective treatment, with the emphasis on safe. We now have many decades of clinical data with billions of doses and a literal handful of adverse events. It's hundreds of times safer than Paracetamol (for example). Overdosing on Ivermectin, especially the veterinarian preparation, means you'll suffer explosive vomiting and diarrhea but otherwise you'll be fine. Will it prevent replication of the virus well enough to prevent the immune system from producing antibodies? Yes it may in individuals who respond well to the drug. Ivermectin is like any other medication, it works better on some people and not so well on others.

If Omicron turns out to be a nothing cold then sure consider not bothering with the prophylactic regime but save it for when you do return a positive Covid test and want to shorten the duration of any illness. I decided a while ago to use it for any viral like illness I might be brewing and I've been dosing myself every time I start to feel the usual symptoms of a cold coming on. Happened to me twice in the past year, both times I took 15mg with some OJ, went to bed feeling shitty and woke up the next day feeling right as rain.

TLDR we now have excellent prevention and treatment protocols for Covid.

Prevention- daily gargle with alcohol mouth wash. Vitamin D and Zinc supplementation. Ivermectin 0.2mg per kilo of body weight taken monthly.
Treatment- increase the gargles to twice a day. Ivermectin combined with a broad spectrum antibiotic to prevent secondary bacterial pneumonia. Antihistamine, Pulmocort inhaler and a low dose steroid and Aspirin which will treat fever and act as a mild anti-coagulant. Also ask your doctor for a Monoclonal antibody infusion if symptoms persist, although the current ones won't work on Omicron Covid.

Thank you for all that. Really appreciated it.

 

[Hollywood Hitler]

Today is NYs new mask/vax mandate. Can't wait to see how many people and businesses actually comply. So far, everyone I've mentioned it to have no idea such a mandate has being put in place. I don't have to worry about it at my work because I work with one other person who's vaxxed, and thinks these mandates are also stupid and gay. Also, our boss works out of Baltimore, so there's really no way to enforce it.

When it comes to shopping, well, I have no problem with telling some greasy teenager asking for my papers or to wear a mask to shove it up their ass. I didn't comply the first go around, I'm not going to comply this time either.

 

[Meriasek]

Good advice. If I had a brain transplant and decided to get the jab the last thing I'd do is tell an ER doctor that I'd just been vaccinated if I was experiencing chest pain. Happened to a friend of mine a few weeks ago when she got the booster. Sudden onset of excruciating chest pain 12 hours post vaccination. She took herself to Emergency and told the doctor she'd just had the jab. They did a very basic enzyme screen and ran a 12-lead, the doctor told her she was suffering an anxiety attack and sent her on her way. She's in her mid thirties, a non smoker, has no family history of heart disease. In the olden days, before the Covid times, her condition would be ringing every alarm bell and they'd have performed an Echocardiogram and put her on a Halter monitor at a minimum. Now? Go home and rest and take some Paracetamol because of course the vaccine is perfectly safe and effective and you're just being a woman from reading too much anti-vaxxer nonsense on the internet. Many doctors have a religious commitment to the vaccination program and will not brook any idea that they're causing illness. Myocarditis, even when the initial symptoms resolve, can set of a chain of cascading disease that will suddenly manifest with infarction. There's no way to know this unless you're a) properly diagnosed in the first place and b) carefully monitored for at least 3 years after the initial symptoms. Crushing central chest pain is not normal and it's definitely not something you want to ignore.

I have been vaccinated, but it's been several months ago, so they wouldn't make an issue out of that. I also had zero side effects after getting the shots, so I'm pretty sure I didn't get myocarditis from the shot.
It's also not exactly excruciating, I barely feel anything, and it's not correlated with exertion. On the contrary, it's more noticable when sitting down than when running or working out. I also don't feel out of breath or anything, but well, sporadic mild chest pains plus palpitations (in the sense that I sometimes feel my heart beating unusually hard, although that might be because I have slight systolic hypertension; but my blood pressure is decent atm) does make me worried about myocarditis a bit, so I should have it checked out. Never had any arrythmia or other heart problems besides the aforementioned hypertension. It's probably just stress, because it has been kinda stressful for me recently. Gotta do more cardio, stop the last bit of smoking I do, and maybe start meditating...

 

[Super-Chevy454]

American Thinker posted an interesting article about Japan's warning to vaccines.

Japan's health ministry officially warns of myocarditis heart inflammation as a side-effect of Moderna and Pfizer COVID vaccines

The major U.S. media, including Fox News and the conservative blogosphere, are completely ignoring this news from Japan. Google and DuckDuckGo searches reveal only little-known websites, many with an ideological bent, pickin...

www.americanthinker.com

December 13, 2021

Japan’s health ministry officially warns of myocarditis heart inflammation as a side effect of Moderna and Pfizer COVID vaccines​

By Thomas Lifson

The major US media, including Fox News and the conservative blogosphere, are completely ignoring this news from Japan. Google and DuckDuckGo searches reveal only little-known websites, many with an ideological bent, picking up the news – which means that few will see it and many will disbelieve it. But NHK, the Japanese version of the BBC (full disclosure where I long ago worked as an overseas news editor as well as on air) has the story. You can count on it being true.

Japan's health ministry has listed inflammation of the heart muscle and of the outer lining of the heart in younger males as possible serious side effects of the Moderna and Pfizer COVID vaccines. (snip)
The ministry held a panel of expert on Saturday and proposed warning of the risk by printing "serious side effects" on the documents attached to the vaccines.
It will also require hospitals to report in detail incidents involving people who developed the symptoms within 28 days after being vaccinated, according to the law.
The plan was approved by the panel, and the ministry will notify municipalities.

The contrast with many other advanced countries where the populace is being bullied, even required, to receive vaccines is stark. And this is not some minor agency issuing the warning. The official name of the health ministry is the Koseirodosho, in English, The Ministry of Health, Labour and Welfare. It is headquartered in this skyscraper in the Kasumigaseki disrtict in Tokyo, where most national government offices are located.

To my knowledge, this is the first official warning of the heart risk associated with COVID vaccines, and it comes from a highly advanced country with a reputable medical regulatory bureaucracy.

 

[Meriasek]

American Thinker posted an interesting article about Japan's warning to vaccines.

Japan's health ministry officially warns of myocarditis heart inflammation as a side-effect of Moderna and Pfizer COVID vaccines

The major U.S. media, including Fox News and the conservative blogosphere, are completely ignoring this news from Japan. Google and DuckDuckGo searches reveal only little-known websites, many with an ideological bent, pickin...

www.americanthinker.com

Nah, the German info sheet you get with the vaccine also lists myocarditis/pericarditis, facial paralysis, thrombosis and others as potential complications, including that people have died from serious complications. This has been the case at least since August.

 

[Mealy Mouth Spittle]

I live in a blue state. Been at the hospital with my mother. While you have to wear a mask to get in, they don't do any fever checks or even screening questions. Nobody asked about my vaccination status. The official policy at the hospital is that while you are in your room, you don't have to wear a mask -- even visitors. You need to put one on when someone comes in the room or when you step out of it, but I've been able to stay in the room mask free. A couple of times I forgot to put a mask on when someone came in, but nobody asked me to put one on.

When they were moving my mom from the ER to her room, they forgot to put a mask on her. Seems like most of the staff just half-heartedly follows the rules. They do all wear their masks (I'm sure they have to), but they haven't really been that pushy with anyone else.

I'm okay with wearing the mask at the hospital because that's where the sick people are. The only place I feel like I'd be at risk of catching the coof is in the ER waiting room which is the only entrance to the hospital open at the moment. Which honestly is a pretty dumb system because you are funneling visitors who aren't sick through a waiting room of people who are, but whatever. I don't try to make sense of the policies.

 

[Uncle Buck]

At the end of August, a study was published showing that natural immunity provides much better protection against infection than the Pfizer vaccine. It was described by UCL’s Francois Balloux as “a bit of a bombshell”......Subsequent studies have compared natural and vaccine-induced immunity at the cellular level. One found that infection-induced antibodies “exhibited superior stability and cross-variant neutralisation breadth” than vaccine-induced antibodies, suggesting that people who’d already been infected had better immunity against the then-novel Delta variant.

Another Study Finds That Natural Immunity Protects Better Against Infection Than Pfizer Vaccine | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[Basil Julep]

This thread has info on vegans being exempt from mandates in the UK. Again, I think if your religion has ahimsa as part of it, or same idea but not in Sanskrit, this could be Yuge for you:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Telegraph/status/1421175783737991175

Compulsory workplace vaccination rules cannot apply to vegans

Warning by lawyers highlights ethical issues in trying to force all workers to have jabs

www.telegraph.co.uk

If I need to declare an exemption, I will use a Buddhist argument and I think this is a good idea.

For anyone in the United States, however, make sure not to use the word "vegan" because that was actually tested in California court. The case was Friedman v. Southern California Permanente Medical Group back in 2002.

For anyone writing up a letter, you need a religious concept like ahimsa (or God or Bible or belief in your Creator, or you prayed about it, etc) in there. An ethical argument is not enough. Don't include the word "vegan" or "ethics" or anything medical because that's just giving them an excuse to reject your letter in the United States.

 

[borsabil]

Another Study Finds That Natural Immunity Protects Better Against Infection Than Pfizer Vaccine | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

This has was confirmed last year. Natural immunity against Covid is robust and provides excellent B-cell recall with strong T-cell immunity which is the only fucking thing that matters when it comes to circulating respiratory viruses.

Present times is r.etarded and exceptional and it makes me doubt myself. Did I really read those studies back in mid 2020? Why are they being dug out and distributed now? I'll tell you why, millions upon millions of double and triple vaxxed people are about to come down with Omicron Covid. In fact I'll dig out my crystal ball and speculate. There's no point to developing a new vaccine against Omicron as the vaccinated can't be re-vaccinated against it because their immunity is tied to the single antibody the gene therapies impart. So first order is to convince the sheep to go get boosted because reasons. Second task will be explaining to them how getting infected with Covid is actually a good thing. Third convincing them to roll their sleeves up for the 4th dose after Christmass because even though it didn't do shit against the new variant it will for sure work against the new new variant which we all know is just around the corner. But surely we're not dumb enough to fall for that? Right?

Here's what I wrote back in July on this thread

Dude they're about to bring in employer mandates to get the jab. Not just Fed Gov but blue states and globohomo corporations have all been green lit by the Justice Department to bring them in, and they are. They're also in the middle of a gigantic procurement of hundreds of millions of vaccine doses for 2022 for muh boosters. The left doesn't back down, they double down. Vaccines not working? Solution? Moar vaccines. But yes I agree Trump is a retarded boomer.

PL- I was told by someone who is involved in rolling out the vaccines (mid tier level) that the plan was to bring in 3 monthly booster dosing. Not just for the old and deathfats but for everyone. I thought at the time that he was trolling me. 3 monthly boosters? That's ridiculous, no one in their right mind would go for that. Even the craziest Branch Covidian would be red pilled when told they had to have a mRNA jab every 12 weeks to protect them from a chest cold. But here we are.

UK to offer booster shots to all adults, just 3 months after their second dose

All adults in the United Kingdom will be able to get their booster Covid-19 vaccine doses three months after their second shot, the government indicated on Monday, in a dramatic acceleration of the country's inoculation drive that comes amid fears over the Omicron variant.

edition.cnn.com

All adults in the United Kingdom will be able to get their booster Covid-19 vaccine doses three months after their second shot, the government indicated on Monday, in a dramatic acceleration of the country's inoculation drive that comes amid fears over the Omicron variant.
Boosters had previously only been available a minimum of six months after a second dose, for people over 40 and for over-16s with underlying health conditions.
By slashing the gap to a minimum of three months, the UK will soon offer one of the smallest intervals of any country in the world.

Health Secretary Sajid Javid confirmed he had accepted the move in Parliament on Monday, hours after the UK's advisory body on vaccinations recommended it. England is also reinstating a mask mandate in shops and on transport from Tuesday, a move announced over the weekend that was also sparked by concerns about Omicron.

South Korea are following suit with many more countries to come.

They don't care that the vaccines will do shit to protect anyone from Omicron Covid. They don't care that Covid has mutated into a mild cold bug. They don't care about the horrendous side effects, including making young healthy people's hearts explode. They just don't fucking care. They are utterly determined to have billions of people constantly dosed with mRNA gene therapies indefinitely. That's the end game and they're not going to stop unless we make them.