Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[X Prime]

I didn't know it was possible to drive through West Virginia while looking through a mirror the whole time. Learn something new every day.

 

[Protistology]

At least early on there was fairly convincing evidence that smoking not only didn't make your chances of dying from covid worse, it might have slightly made you less likely to die. No one was quite sure how to square that, but it's why there haven't been big anti-smoking campaigns around this. There's just no evidence it makes it worse.

Nicotine is an anti-inflammatory.

 

[Sanshain]

At least early on there was fairly convincing evidence that smoking not only didn't make your chances of dying from covid worse, it might have slightly made you less likely to die. No one was quite sure how to square that, but it's why there haven't been big anti-smoking campaigns around this. There's just no evidence it makes it worse.

Nicotine BY ITSELF is not carcinogenic or particularly dangerous if not partaken of in a manner that involves smoking, since smoke damages the lungs. I can believe nicotine can have potentially positive effects and valid medical uses. It's just a shame that it is still incredibly addictive in even very small amounts.

 

[Rei is shit]

The vaccine is over a year old now and doesn’t look to be harmful. I think perhaps in another year or two it will be safe enough to get it. Would love some input from our experts in the field.

Per a neat study Harvard did, you should wait 7 years after approval before taking a medication given how often they yank shit, and how many years it often takes. But I can't remember the study saying anything about an emergency approval for use.

 

[Protistology]

Covid-19 Pandemic Drives U.S. Population Growth to Record Low ​

Covid-19 Pandemic Drives U.S. Population Growth to Record Low

America’s population grew by just 0.1% for the 12 months ended July 1, according to Census Bureau figures released Tuesday that show how the pandemic is changing the country’s demographic contours.

www.wsj.com

Covid-19 Pandemic Drives U.S. Population Growth to Record Low - WSJ

archived 21 Dec 2021 18:26:13 UTC

archive.md

 

[Grannys Cookiez]

Per a neat study Harvard did, you should wait 7 years after approval before taking a medication given how often they yank shit, and how many years it often takes. But I can't remember the study saying anything about an emergency approval for use.

Good suggestion. These articles are great.

Do Not Rush to Use Newly Marketed Drugs
Even when new drugs are seemingly safer or more effective, experience with them is generally limited; not enough time has elapsed and/or too few patients have been exposed to them for longer-term or rarer adverse effects to be identified.67-71 Generic, hence older, drugs are generally safer owing to their longer track record. Some have advocated a 7-year rule (ie, wait 7 years before using a new drug), based on data showing that it often takes 5 to 10 years to identify significant adverse effects.72,73

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/1105913

Article from Harvard. I wish they would refresh themselves and the rest of the world on their findings..

This evidence indicates why we can no longer trust the FDA to carry out its historic mission to protect the public from harmful and ineffective drugs. Strong public demand that government “do something” about periodic drug disasters has played a central role in developing the FDA.2 Yet close, constant contact by companies with FDA staff and officials has contributed to vague, minimal criteria of what “safe” and “effective” mean. The FDA routinely approves scores of new minor variations each year, with minimal evidence about risks of harm. Then very effective mass marketing takes over, and the FDA devotes only a small percent of its budget to protect physicians or patients from receiving biased or untruthful information.34 The further corruption of medical knowledge through company-funded teams that craft the published literature to overstate benefits and understate harms, unmonitored by the FDA, leaves good physicians with corrupted knowledge.5 6 Patients are the innocent victims.

https://ethics.harvard.edu/blog/risky-drugs-why-fda-cannot-be-trusted#enref-10

 

[The Wicked Mitch]

Good suggestion. These articles are great.


https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/1105913

Article from Harvard. I wish they would refresh themselves and the rest of the world on their findings..



https://ethics.harvard.edu/blog/risky-drugs-why-fda-cannot-be-trusted#enref-10

Principles of Conservative Prescribing | Clinical Pharmacy and Pharma…

archived 22 Dec 2021 00:25:32 UTC

archive.ph

Risky Drugs: Why The FDA Cannot Be Trusted | Edmond J. Safra Center f…

archived 22 Dec 2021 00:26:11 UTC

archive.ph

 

[teriyakiburns]

Interesting news for UK kiwis. Also interesting for Euro Kiwis and several paragraphs in there is a sentence, or two, putting Sage in its place.

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Lunchtime update in The Spectator

What happened in cabinet By Katy Balls

When Boris Johnson held a cabinet call yesterday afternoon, the expectation was that an announcement on new restrictions would be imminent. But the meeting dragged on for three hours and the Prime Minister emerged afterwards announcing that nothing had changed. The situation is ‘extremely difficult’ and arguments both for and against restrictions are ‘finely balanced’ so the government would ‘keep its eye on the data’. In a battle of Sage forecasts vs data realists, the latter had won. For now.

So what happened in that meeting? ‘Boris did a great job and encouraged a proper discussion and respected other views,’ says one minister. ‘He had quite a lot [of] humility’. Michael Gove was, as usual, leading the arguments for more lockdown. But this was based on Sage forecasts of what might happen which have lost some credibility in the eyes of cabinet members who were — for the first time in a while — genuinely being consulted.

Chris Whitty started off with a presentation making the case for restrictions (yet he stopped just short of calling for them directly). But several members of Johnson’s cabinet are vocally opposed to new restrictions. They argue that there needs to be clearer data before any restrictions are brought in — with whispers of resignations if Johnson pressed on without this. These members of government hope that more time (even a few more days) will offer clarity that could show Omicron is milder than previous variants.

Behind the scenes, the Chancellor is understood to have played a key role in warning against rushing into decisions that could cost billions — although he was quieter in the meeting, only giving his thoughts when asked directly to by the Prime Minister. Other ministers keen to see more modelling include Kwasi Kwarteng, Commons leader Jacob Rees-Mogg (who highlighted how people can reduce their travel without being under lockdown orders) and Transport Secretary Grant Shapps (‘although it was never quite clear what he was saying,’ I’m told). Other ministers have been pressing on Johnson that any new measures are guidance, not law.

When Johnson emerged, talking about the need to wait for the data to work out Omicron’s severity, he was using the language of those who opposed lockdown. They argue, in effect, that Sage models cannot be trusted as they are composed of hypotheticals with a negativity bias baked in. The next few days of hospital data, it’s argued, will tell us much about how severe Omicron is and if lockdown is needed. Data is emerging not just from South Africa (where cases now seem to be falling) but Denmark where Omicron has been found to be significantly less likely to put patients in hospital.

Yet there remains a sense in government that, on the current direction of travel, restrictions are still more likely than not — it is just a question of when. Civil servants have been working on plans for a two-week ‘circuit breaker’ after Christmas. The fact that Sajid Javid said on Sunday that any new measures would have to be put to parliament before being implemented suggests that Christmas day could avoid being affected by new measures. Instead, it’s more likely that the measures will be brought in from 28 December.

I feel cynical even so. That's partially because every fucker in my family is fully on board the Boris Brigade, to the point that they fellate the turk every chance they get and refuse to see his very obvious fuck-ups for what they are. I probably shouldn't be surprised; they all had their tongues rammed up Cameron's backside when he was PM, even when he was repeatedly promising lies and bearing his arse at the country when he was called to account.

Well. I can get well and truly ratted at christmas, so that's a small mercy. Boris hasn't quite followed Cromwell on that account yet, though it's pretty clear he wants to - or more accurately, his string-pullers want to. Banning or otherwise fucking over christmas is one of the weirdly obvious tells for authoritarian shites.

When Omicron turns into a nothingburger, they'll surely spin it as a success for the vaccines and push for everyone to take more doses of the aids juice, because admitting that the disease just turned itself into another common cold, like every other coronavirus, would mean admitting that the last two years of pain were all for n othing. And the fucking believers will go along with it, because they're all invested in the fear porn to the point that they will demand useless tests before you can enter their god damn homes, even while they complain about security theatre and tell you how tired they are of the masks and the performative lockdowns.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

I recently drove and stayed a night in WV.

I SEE FAT FAT EVERYWHERE.
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While we're at it, let's play "Weird Al" song "Fat".

 

[Wahgonga]

While we're at it, let's play "Weird Al" song "Fat".

"Yo, Ding Dong man, Ding Dong, Ding Dong Yo"

 

[MadStan]

So Trump in Dallas - to the horror of the Far Right, actually admitted he had been vaccinated AND got a booster shot.

Despite the far right portraying the vaccine as dangerous or worthless, claiming it prevents a disease that either doesn't exist or is so harmless that it is a joke...Trump claims that the vaccine has saved millions of lives.

It is time to ponder what the right is going to do. Break with Trump and maintain that Covid is a nothing burger, or switch positions and suddenly decide Covid is real.

"we saved tens of millions of lives worldwide" was the quote from Trump about the vaccine.

 

[benutz]

I feel cynical even so. That's partially because every fucker in my family is fully on board the Boris Brigade, to the point that they fellate the turk every chance they get and refuse to see his very obvious fuck-ups for what they are. I probably shouldn't be surprised; they all had their tongues rammed up Cameron's backside when he was PM, even when he was repeatedly promising lies and bearing his arse at the country when he was called to account.

Well. I can get well and truly ratted at christmas, so that's a small mercy. Boris hasn't quite followed Cromwell on that account yet, though it's pretty clear he wants to - or more accurately, his string-pullers want to. Banning or otherwise fucking over christmas is one of the weirdly obvious tells for authoritarian shites.

When Omicron turns into a nothingburger, they'll surely spin it as a success for the vaccines and push for everyone to take more doses of the aids juice, because admitting that the disease just turned itself into another common cold, like every other coronavirus, would mean admitting that the last two years of pain were all for n othing. And the fucking believers will go along with it, because they're all invested in the fear porn to the point that they will demand useless tests before you can enter their god damn homes, even while they complain about security theatre and tell you how tired they are of the masks and the performative lockdowns.

Lol. No one gives a fuck dude. This isn't your personal blog and Kiwi Farms is not an insane asylum. Calm down.

 

[The Wicked Mitch]

So Trump in Dallas - to the horror of the Far Right, actually admitted he had been vaccinated AND got a booster shot.

Despite the far right portraying the vaccine as dangerous or worthless, claiming it prevents a disease that either doesn't exist or is so harmless that it is a joke...Trump claims that the vaccine has saved millions of lives.

It is time to ponder what the right is going to do. Break with Trump and maintain that Covid is a nothing burger, or switch positions and suddenly decide Covid is real.

"we saved tens of millions of lives worldwide" was the quote from Trump about the vaccine.

And Bill Clinton DID NOT have sexual relations with that woman, Monica Lewinski.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

So Trump in Dallas - to the horror of the Far Right, actually admitted he had been vaccinated AND got a booster shot.

Despite the far right portraying the vaccine as dangerous or worthless, claiming it prevents a disease that either doesn't exist or is so harmless that it is a joke...Trump claims that the vaccine has saved millions of lives.

It is time to ponder what the right is going to do. Break with Trump and maintain that Covid is a nothing burger, or switch positions and suddenly decide Covid is real.

"we saved tens of millions of lives worldwide" was the quote from Trump about the vaccine.

Well he is fucking old already and I don't care if he gets the shot but if he says that you and your kids must be vaccinated, he can fuck off.

 

[Walrus and Carpenter]

I recently drove and stayed a night in WV.

I SEE FAT FAT EVERYWHERE.
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You were looking in the mirror, that's cheating.

 

[MadStan]

Well he is fucking old already and I don't care if he gets the shot but if he says that you and your kids must be vaccinated, he can fuck off.

I agree with you; I have no concern about his position on whether or not anyone should get vaccinated; but he has opened up an untenable position with his statements in Dallas.

A great portion of his followers are in direct opposition to the statement that the vaccine saves anyone - or that Covid is anything to worry about.

It is a hard statement to back track on, especially when coupled with his admission to being vaccinated and receiving the booster. It flies in the face of the position many of his supporters have towards the vaccine and it will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

It also puts the GOP in an awkward position also.

If they saved millions of lives then Covid is very real. If Trump got vaccinated and booster shots then Covid is very real. Both positions can not hold and it is fodder for the media if they opt to use it.

 

[Flan Handler]

So Trump in Dallas - to the horror of the Far Right, actually admitted he had been vaccinated AND got a booster shot.

Despite the far right portraying the vaccine as dangerous or worthless, claiming it prevents a disease that either doesn't exist or is so harmless that it is a joke...Trump claims that the vaccine has saved millions of lives.

It is time to ponder what the right is going to do. Break with Trump and maintain that Covid is a nothing burger, or switch positions and suddenly decide Covid is real.

"we saved tens of millions of lives worldwide" was the quote from Trump about the vaccine.

The difference is he will try to sell the vaccines (and had great things to say about regeneron) and encourage people to take them, but not deprive them of societal participation and curse them to doom and death for defying him,

People are free to take his advice, or roll their eyes and move on.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

Somehow people didn't get mad at Trump for not firing Fraudci sooner though.

 

[Forest Portal Triumph 747]

I agree with you; I have no concern about his position on whether or not anyone should get vaccinated; but he has opened up an untenable position with his statements in Dallas.

A great portion of his followers are in direct opposition to the statement that the vaccine saves anyone - or that Covid is anything to worry about.

It is a hard statement to back track on, especially when coupled with his admission to being vaccinated and receiving the booster. It flies in the face of the position many of his supporters have towards the vaccine and it will be interesting to see how this unfolds.

It also puts the GOP in an awkward position also.

If they saved millions of lives then Covid is very real. If Trump got vaccinated and booster shots then Covid is very real. Both positions can not hold and it is fodder for the media if they opt to use it.

Right-wing voters who disagree with Trump on the benefits of the v*x will still vote for him and help him win for a third time in 2024 because there is no alternative (they will not vote third party because at the very least Trump opposes mandates, and getting Pedojoe/The Heaux out of power is more important than casting a vanity third party vote).

The vast majority of his voters disagree with him on at least one thing if not more. Trump is an old chubby boomer who is germophobic and therefore has a different attitude from younger people who actually understand the lack of threat the rona poses to them.

You lied about understanding 2020 election fraud and you're bullshitting right now about understanding how this will actually impact who people will vote for.

 

[Cycleye]

I feel cynical even so. That's partially because every fucker in my family is fully on board the Boris Brigade, to the point that they fellate the turk every chance they get and refuse to see his very obvious fuck-ups for what they are. I probably shouldn't be surprised; they all had their tongues rammed up Cameron's backside when he was PM, even when he was repeatedly promising lies and bearing his arse at the country when he was called to account.

Well. I can get well and truly ratted at christmas, so that's a small mercy. Boris hasn't quite followed Cromwell on that account yet, though it's pretty clear he wants to - or more accurately, his string-pullers want to. Banning or otherwise fucking over christmas is one of the weirdly obvious tells for authoritarian shites.

When Omicron turns into a nothingburger, they'll surely spin it as a success for the vaccines and push for everyone to take more doses of the aids juice, because admitting that the disease just turned itself into another common cold, like every other coronavirus, would mean admitting that the last two years of pain were all for n othing. And the fucking believers will go along with it, because they're all invested in the fear porn to the point that they will demand useless tests before you can enter their god damn homes, even while they complain about security theatre and tell you how tired they are of the masks and the performative lockdowns.

Ohmycorn is going to be a massive non-event. It has been on the go for a very long time now and it is a triple nothingburger with extra cheese. As you say; the vax will be touted as what saved the day and the gov will milk it with help from the cunting press. Sadly, scientists and medical people, that know better, will be silent for fear of being cancelled and never getting good gigs again.
Right now; all the cultists have to cling on to are case numbers and, in their little groups, they spend their time predicting case numbers, for the days and weeks ahead. Non of them have a fucking clue what they are talking about and all they have to go on are numbers pulled out of the arseholes of gov arseholes, or the 'experts' the media fabricate.