US ‘Greatest Generation’ survey on race, sex and combat during World War II runs counter to its wholesome image - Greatest Generation not Antifa, media most affected.


In August 1944, an American soldier finishing up an Army survey was asked whether he had any further remarks. He did.

“White supremacy must be maintained,” he wrote.

“I’ll fight if necessary to prevent racial equality. I’ll never salute a negro officer and I’ll not take orders from a negroe. I’m sick of the army’s method of treating …[Black soldiers] as if they were human. Segregation of the races must continue.”

Another soldier wrote: “God has placed between us a barrier of color … We must accept this barrier and live, fight, and play separately.”

These harsh views, and others, from the segregated Army of World War II, emerge in a new project at Virginia Tech that presents the uncensored results of dozens of surveys the service administered to soldiers during the war.

Much of material is being placed on the Internet for the first time, and a lot of it runs counter to the wholesome image of the war’s “greatest generation.”

Raw attitudes on topics including race, women, sex, gender and combat are revealed in 65,000 pages from Army surveys that a Virginia Tech historian found in the National Archives.

Black soldiers had their own views about the men they called Southern “crackers” who couldn’t admit that the Civil War was over. Some soldiers were suspicious of women in the service. A gay soldier wondered why he had been drafted. And several soldiers said they had been in combat too long.

The project is called “The American Soldier in World War II,” and is supported by funding from the university and the National Endowment for the Humanities, and by the work of the National Archives.

It is directed by Edward J.K. Gitre, an assistant professor of history at Virginia Tech.

“It does speak to a generation,” he said in a recent interview. “The good, the bad, the ugly, heroic, not heroic.”

The website, which debuted on Dec. 7, makes available digitized and transcribed survey responses, as well as analyses, lists and statistics.

The surveys guaranteed anonymity. (About 500,000 service members were surveyed, but results from about 300,000 survive.) The surveys gave soldiers a chance to beef, opine or vent, and gave the Army an idea of what soldiers were thinking.

For scholars, and now the public, they provide a glimpse into the mind-set of the American generation serving in the war, which for the United States lasted from 1941 to 1945.

Gitre said he first found the surveys in the National Archives in 2009.

It was “an amazing find, because so much of the material from World War II is censored or kind of written after the fact,” he said. “I knew immediately … that these were not censored in any way.”

The surveys were conducted by a wartime organization called the Army Research Branch at bases in the United States and in combat zones in Europe and the Pacific.

In addition to the surveys, Gitre’s project presents a 1941 “Glossary of Army Slang,” which came from the army’s public relations division and appeared that year in the journal American Speech.

Being swacked or wing heavy was being drunk. Serum was an alcoholic beverage. A gas house was a bar. A six and 20 tootsie was a girlfriend “responsible” for an Air Corps cadet returning late from leave, which merited six demerits and 20 punishment tours.

Having egg in your beer meant having too much of a good thing.

The survey results are often coarse and jarring.
Hispanics, Jews, medical officers and reporters all came in for some criticism.

“Lets leave the news reporters in the states,” wrote a soldier who was upset over the publicity the Marines got. We “will tell them when its over and that’s all they have to know.”

Other soldiers stuck up for at least one reporter, the legendary newspaper columnist Ernie Pyle, who was killed in battle in 1945. “Ernie Pyle was the only man who plugged for the” infantry — the “dogfaces” — the soldier wrote.

“Listen to Ernie Pyle,” another man said. “He is for us G.I. Joe’s he is a spokesman for every man overseas.”

The gay soldier wrote:

“Most of us were inducted against our will. Things are being made harder for us because we are something that we could not help. … Why did you induct us in the first place. Even as a leopard cannot change its spots, neither can we curtail our homosexual inclinations. … I’ll just try not to get caught.”

Some of the harshest language came from White soldiers commenting on the segregated army. A general survey found that 75 percent of soldiers from the North and 85 percent of soldiers from the South thought Blacks and Whites should train and serve separately.

But a Black soldier wrote: “It is impossible to understand how the brains of the Southern white man works and just what can be the cause of so much … hate that is imposed upon the Negro soldier.”

“With all the patriotic speeches … he takes time out to heap insults and abuse upon the Negro soldier who is doing all that he can to further the war effort,” he wrote.

“Most Southern white people must fear that the rise of the Negro will be of danger to their long vaunted White Supremacy,” he wrote. “For us the saying goes a house or an Army divided against itself will surely fall. Hitler knows this better than we may think.”

Another Black soldier said the army “stinks …[and] is filled up with a lot of ‘Crackers’ who don’t know that the Civil War is over and from all indications never will!”

And another wrote: “After the war there will be riots after Riots because we are tired of the so called white Supremacy as they call it. … We just want the right to live, work and advance as normal people do. The right to fight & die as true Americans should. … You can’t keep us down, try as you may.”

One survey question asked Black soldiers if they thought they were being given a fair chance to help win the war. Fifty-four percent said no. Another question asked whether they thought White newspapers were reporting fairly on the role of Black people in the war. Forty-one percent said no.

“Some of this is really difficult to read,” Gitre said.

Soldiers complained about ill-fitting army clothes and said they disliked classical music and “hill billy” tunes. Large majorities thought men who “cracked” in battle were not cowards or fakers.

Some soldiers were hostile to women in the army, specifically in the Women’s Army Corps, where 150,000 women served during the war.

“A women’s place is in the home,” wrote one soldier. “She can do more there by writing letters or by doing war work than by being in the army. … There are too many immoral women in the service and I wouldn’t want my sister to live with such people nor would a self-respecting woman.”

Another wrote: “The WACS will except anything that looks like a female. I would never ask or advise any girl to join such an outfit. I told my girl friend back home if she ever joined the WACS I would be through with her.”

And another: “Usually a woman will join the Wac’s for a reason other than being patriotic. Most of them are wolves in sheeps clothing. … Released from family and relation pride she now can let herself loose.”

Several surveys were administered to women, but not all the data and records survived, Gitre said in an email. “We do have multiple-choice survey responses from women, just not their handwritten remarks, unfortunately,” he said.

Long, brutal tours of combat were a serious issue.

“What I would like to know is the fifth army going to fight this whole … war over here by itself?” wrote one soldier probably engaged in the bitter fighting against the German army in Italy. “My outfit has been in combat for about 135 days without any rest or relief. When are we going to be relieved?”

Another, fighting in the Pacific theater, asked why the 25th Division was being kept overseas so long. The division saw fierce combat at Guadalcanal, New Georgia, and the Philippines, suffering 1,200 killed and 4,100 wounded over the course of the war.

“We have been in the Jungles eighteen months now [and] it is getting rather old to us,” he wrote.

Another man explained how jungle fighting wore men down.

“You stay to long [in] combat [in] these damn Jungles, you forget what you are fighting for,” he wrote.

“You forget what you were back home. … You lose confidence in your self and every one else. … You get to thinking … how long is this going to last. If I live thru it, I’ll never be any good. That’s what gets you down. … You can’t help it.”

And a veteran of the fighting in Italy wrote: “I have been through the whole … campaign as yet I haven’t been hurt, but … day by day I see my buddies being wounded or killed. My luck cannot hold out forever.”
 
The best interviews are the ones with 98 year old WW2 veterans when they're asked about how America is today and they're all like 'we should shoot all these communists running around we wouldn't have put up with their hate America commie garbage back then' and the interviewer just sits there eyes bugging out of their head like holy shit
 
Gee no shit, people nearly 8 decades ago had a different outlook on life. I can only hope that decades from now, as the last of our generations die out, we get news articles saying how barbaric and evil it was that people thought chopping kids dicks off and allowing mentally ill degenerates into positions of power was acceptable. Oh, and the staying too long in combat would probably have been said by any soldiers in a drawn out war, since the beginning of time.
 
Good to know blacks were constantly dancing around harassing whites and making emotional and financial demands of us even then, while just like today, whites only wanted to escape from them.
Way earlier than that. Booker T. Washington spent a lot of time writing about race grifting. Basically how the negros of his time liked to eat up the narrative sponsored by 'helpful' white people that black people couldn't do anything because slavery and would always need white assistance. Basically many blacks liked this idea because they were lazy and took the burden of responsibility away from them was his theory. This was at the end of the 1800s.

If my kids are going to learn about black people in school, Booker is absolutely one of them they should be learning about. He was based as fuck. But nah, let's learn about the great role model is George Floyd and how black people can never do anything because white people exist in 2021.
 
The best interviews are the ones with 98 year old WW2 veterans when they're asked about how America is today and they're all like 'we should shoot all these communists running around we wouldn't have put up with their hate America commie garbage back then' and the interviewer just sits there eyes bugging out of their head like holy shit
are they wrong though
 
>Large majorities thought men who “cracked” in battle were not cowards or fakers

As based as the rest of this survey is this line is really telling. The vast majority of the people fighting in the war didn't want to be there and knew they were being sent of to be killed on the behalf of jew politicians. Just goes to show that the entire stigma against people who go awol is a spook manufactured by jews to stop the goys from rightfully not wanting to get shot for Israel
 
from what i understand happened, the baby boomers - the children of the greatest generation - were subject to all of the post-war propaganda that was designed to counteract the values being put forward here to make society a lot more egalitarian, and it's my view that a fair chunk of social problems today are the echoes of that indoctrination and it's influence on their development and subsequent growth into adults. the boomers were told to rebel against their parents by authority and just kind of went along with that authority, and it trickled down, which is why the boomers and their millenial children act the way they do

my grandparents are textbook silent generation who were born at the end of the war and they don't have the strict views on social norms seen here, nor the knee-jerk rebellion against it that boomers clearly have, and from what i know about their parents, they were even more egalitarian than my grandparents. and i don't use that word in the modern sense, i just mean that they didn't give a shit that women were out alone traveling the world, they interacted with minorities without issue, and don't trust the government or authority, and had fewer kids way later in life and weren't as strict with them. there's really a tick-tock effect to generational identity and the values that get passed down, and what i see is that world war 2 caused a shitload of problems for that cohort and subsequent echo through time and nobody wants to talk about it. you know how they say it takes six generations for alcoholism to leave a family? how about a brutal war?
 
>Large majorities thought men who “cracked” in battle were not cowards or fakers

As based as the rest of this survey is this line is really telling. The vast majority of the people fighting in the war didn't want to be there and knew they were being sent of to be killed on the behalf of jew politicians. Just goes to show that the entire stigma against people who go awol is a spook manufactured by jews to stop the goys from rightfully not wanting to get shot for Israel
if there's one thing my grandparents did it was tell me that most of the projection by boomers about 'the way things used to be' is complete horseshit and nobody gave a fuck about dodging a bullshit draft or cheating their way out of the military to avoid it. i remember their opinion on vietnam and korea being bullshit wars and lost causes so politicians could get rich really shocked me because all of the boomers around me growing up were like 'it was necessary to stop GOMMUNISM and they were TIES, i was at woodstock btw"
 
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