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@Null this is a good addition to random.txt
Are you getting the vaccine? - Absolute trashfire thread, please enter with caution
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Fuck off child molester. The instant you turn out to be a pedo, no opinion you have has any merit. COMMIT SUICIDE YOU PIECE OF SHIT!
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Please remain where you are, and somebody will be along to deal with you shortly.
I'd normally rate something like this MATI, but I have to confess pedo are literally the only type of person I'd say KYS to.
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Why are QAnon boomer GOPers always the ones who turn out to be pedos?
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their hero partied with Epstein. it's natural they'd be attracted to him.
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Doesn't that make you want to work for the UN then, Mr Sex Offender?
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Why is it that pedos are so goddamn stupid they don't realize that the instant they admitted to being pedos, they lost?
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They are when they're around you...
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Because they genuinely don't think they're doing or believing anything that's wrong. Watch the documentary Chickenhawk sometimes. You'll be horrified with how cavalier pedos can get.
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Then that's not a scientific fact and a matter of opinion.
Like have a differing ideological/sociological/moral/political opinion is one thing, just stop claiming it gives you a monopoly on facts and scientific findings.
Okay 1) can't open your source it appears to be paywalled.2. Haven't been able to find anything that says post-viral effects are at (>0.001%), did find something which says more than half of people who get covid get "long covid". If you could post where you got that 0.0001 post-viral effects from that would be great would like to take a look at it.
Short- and Long-term Rates of Postacute Sequelae of SARS-CoV-2 Infection
This systematic review estimates organ system–specific frequency and evolution of postacute sequelae of COVID-19 infection.jamanetwork.com
2) I didn't say people as a whole, I said individuals.
A boomer deathfat is most certainly going to have a higher individual risk of severe illness or hospitalization associated with measurable long-term affects than will the statistically mean & median, while a fit 17-year-old is going to have a much, much lower risk than will the statistical mean & median.
A fun tool to play around with is this:
Licence | QCovid™ risk calculator
At the risk of coming off like a deboonker, Dr. Sebastian Rushworth did a great write-up explaining the (over-exaggerated) phenomenon of "long covid":
https://sebastianrushworth.com/2020/11/17/what-is-long-covid/
Memory T-cells are reactive to more proteins than just the spike protein, with the primary reactant being the ORF1 protein and the secondary being the nucleocapsid (N) protein; but overall more than 90% of reactive targets not being the spike protein.
Functionally speaking T-cells are more important than antibodies as well. Higher T-cell count is associated with mild or asymptomatic infection, while low T-cell count is associated with severe disease and death.
In case you weren't aware, pretty much all current vaccines (at least the western ones + sputnik) are aimed solely at replicating the spike protein - and nothing else - inside the body.
So explain to me how a vaccine which does not create ORF proteins, Nucleocapsid proteins or Membrane proteins is able to create a comprehensive T-cell response?
First, as sample size 76 people is not bit. It also included nothing about immune status (i.e. how many of the seronegative people were immune compromised who are less likely to produce lasting antibodies for any disease anyways?).However, research has shown that 32% of people who get covid don't get any protective antibodies which gives another reason why those that have covid should get the vax.
Predictors of Nonseroconversion after SARS-CoV-2 Infection
Nonseroconversion after SARS-CoV-2 Infectionwwwnc.cdc.gov
Secondly based on the figures in the model, seronegativity seems to be correlated with the cycle threshold values of the reverse-transcription PCR tests: Fig 1 Fig 2
Third, from your own source low antibody count is associated with patients who cleared the infection with low viral loads. Based on both this information and the plausible mitigating circumstance of immunocompromised patients skewing the data - is functionally a non-issue in the face of natural immunity providing more versatile memory T-cells.
Additionally, from your own source this is a bit disingenuous:
What's the point of measuring N-antibodies from prior infection when none of the current vaccines give you N-antibodies anyways?
Smallpox has an extremely low mutation rate (peer-reviewed).4. Can't find anything saying it is the fast mutating virus historically controlled by vaccines, did find that it mutated 50% fast than previously but that really doesn't matter to your point here at all. So if you could give a source for this I would be interested in seeing it.
Mutation rate of Covid19 virus is at least 50 per cent higher than previously thought
New study from the Milner Centre for Evolution shows the virus that causes Covid19 mutates almost once a week.www.bath.ac.uk
Its also worth noting Smallpox existed for centuries and remained relatively stable; and as a bonus the article talks about how the species lost genetic diversity due to more lethal lineages dying out.
Meanwhile COVID/SARS-CoV-2 has an extremely fast mutation rate, 0.04-0.06 as reported by Pathan et al. (2020) (also peer-reviewed), and this is talking in matters of months.
For comparison to some other viruses:
Polio has a mutation rate of 0.00009
Hep-C has a mutation rate of 0.000038
Flu-A has a mutation rate of 0.000025
(Source: Sanjuan & Domingo-Calap (2016); also peer-reviewed)
I don't care about over 50.
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There should be a series of HIV shots with a couple boosters of extra HIV to make sure "people" like @Nobue get a 100% fatal pozzed up load of AIDS.
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I'd agree except then the kids he rapes might catch AIDS though
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Well that's why you cut his dick off too.
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I don't want him to get vaccinated because I've seen what covid does to people's dicks.
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Daily reminder that any vtuber who doesn't have a Christmas night stream is probably a whore.
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What if they're crying themselves to sleep instead?
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@Fanatical Pragmatist
Won't let me copy and reply, so just going to reply the easy way.
1. You removed nor address the links I posted to back up why I said what I said but just state it as opinion. If it was just the first link showing that most deaths are of those that are unvaxxed I could understand why you would say it's just an opinion and could be another factor for the unvaxxed death rates being higher even if extremely unlikely but the second link is very much a study.
edit: reread what you wrote there yes the "I don't like to see so many unneeded deaths even if the world is overpopulated." part of what you highlighted in red is very much an opinion and stated as much with the "I don't like" part, but the first part you highlighted in red "however many deaths are clearly preventable by just taking the vax" is very much not an opinion and is backed up by the links below. Just thought I would edit the post to add this in to be fair to you
apnews.com
Sadly full study of this one is behind a paywall
www.nih.gov
Another one backing up what I'm saying however does not include lives saved by vaccinating those younger than 60 years old, nor lives saved from the indirect effect of vaccination because of reduced transmission, so doubt you will care due to the 60+ thing.
www.ecdc.europa.eu
2. Again you don't back up what you said being on an individual level just took me to a site to assess my own individual risk. Also, the link does very much work no idea why it isn't for you but google Short-term and Long-term Rates of Postacute Sequelae of SARS-CoV-2 Infection if it still doesn't
However, going off one of your other posts the >0.001% rate you are talking about was for death and it was for children between 5 to 9. The link you posted there also said "We estimate a mean increase in IFR of 0.59% with each five-year increase in age (95% credible interval, 0.51–0.68%) for ages of 10 years and older." which for deaths is something I have no issue in accepting
www.nature.com
Also, why should I take the word of Sebastian Rushworth M.D.'s who from what I can tell just runs a blog rather than doing studies over that systematic review of 57 studies comprising more than 250 000 survivors of COVID-19 that I linked?
3. Again you removed the link backing up what I said in the first paragraph, however, I will agree the second study I posted did have a weak sample size and thank you for pointing that out.
The point you are trying to make has nothing to do with anything I have said. My point in the reply to you is that studies have shown "Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination" so it doesn't matter that natural immunity is better than being double vaxed when you still get extra protection from getting vax after having covid.
www.cdc.gov
But to address your point the old and fat fucks are the most at risk of covid discounting those who are immunocompromised, I mean yeah is anyone debating that?
4. Thank you for backing up what you said here. From what I can see no reason to doubt anything you posted here.
5. This is where I think the biggest disagreement is, you don't care about those over 50, while I dislike seeing pointless deaths.
Won't let me copy and reply, so just going to reply the easy way.
1. You removed nor address the links I posted to back up why I said what I said but just state it as opinion. If it was just the first link showing that most deaths are of those that are unvaxxed I could understand why you would say it's just an opinion and could be another factor for the unvaxxed death rates being higher even if extremely unlikely but the second link is very much a study.
edit: reread what you wrote there yes the "I don't like to see so many unneeded deaths even if the world is overpopulated." part of what you highlighted in red is very much an opinion and stated as much with the "I don't like" part, but the first part you highlighted in red "however many deaths are clearly preventable by just taking the vax" is very much not an opinion and is backed up by the links below. Just thought I would edit the post to add this in to be fair to you
Nearly all COVID deaths in US are now among unvaccinated
Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.
Vaccines prevented up to 140,000 COVID-19 deaths in U.S.
A study estimated that COVID-19 vaccinations prevented nearly 140,000 deaths in the U.S. by May 2021.
Another one backing up what I'm saying however does not include lives saved by vaccinating those younger than 60 years old, nor lives saved from the indirect effect of vaccination because of reduced transmission, so doubt you will care due to the 60+ thing.
WHO/ECDC: Nearly half a million lives saved by COVID-19 vaccination in less than a year
A new study by the WHO Regional Office for Europe and European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC) published in Eurosurveillance estimates that 470,000 lives have been saved among those aged 60 years and over since the start of COVID-19 vaccination roll-out in 33 countries across...
2. Again you don't back up what you said being on an individual level just took me to a site to assess my own individual risk. Also, the link does very much work no idea why it isn't for you but google Short-term and Long-term Rates of Postacute Sequelae of SARS-CoV-2 Infection if it still doesn't
However, going off one of your other posts the >0.001% rate you are talking about was for death and it was for children between 5 to 9. The link you posted there also said "We estimate a mean increase in IFR of 0.59% with each five-year increase in age (95% credible interval, 0.51–0.68%) for ages of 10 years and older." which for deaths is something I have no issue in accepting
Age-specific mortality and immunity patterns of SARS-CoV-2 - Nature
The relative risk of COVID-19-associated death for younger individuals (under 65) is consistent across countries and can be used to robustly compare the underlying number of infections in each country.
Also, why should I take the word of Sebastian Rushworth M.D.'s who from what I can tell just runs a blog rather than doing studies over that systematic review of 57 studies comprising more than 250 000 survivors of COVID-19 that I linked?
3. Again you removed the link backing up what I said in the first paragraph, however, I will agree the second study I posted did have a weak sample size and thank you for pointing that out.
The point you are trying to make has nothing to do with anything I have said. My point in the reply to you is that studies have shown "Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19 Vaccination" so it doesn't matter that natural immunity is better than being double vaxed when you still get extra protection from getting vax after having covid.
Reduced Risk of Reinfection with SARS-CoV-2 After COVID-19...
This report describes COVID-19 reinfection among vaccinated and unvaccinated persons in Kentucky.
But to address your point the old and fat fucks are the most at risk of covid discounting those who are immunocompromised, I mean yeah is anyone debating that?
4. Thank you for backing up what you said here. From what I can see no reason to doubt anything you posted here.
5. This is where I think the biggest disagreement is, you don't care about those over 50, while I dislike seeing pointless deaths.
Least we can all agree pedos need the rope
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There's nothing wrong about being reminded that there are people's lives at stake here. And there's nothing wrong to tell people to calm down on both sides.
Rest of your post I agree with.
If they get restrictions on vaxxaronies like me (and they already do, especially since I want to travel back to my girlfriend soon), they are losing me with their booster shit. I'm not going to say "I'll never be pressured into taking a booster" but unless they actually require me to BOOOST to do anything meaningful - I'm not taking it.
I just don't see the point. Hopefully I won't have to be strongarmed into it.
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I don't disagree, the issue is that people are presenting it as "I follow the science!", "I'm on the side of facts!", etc., etc. claiming a monopoly on almost any and all scientific finding, YET then turn around and resort back to either ideological (i.e. "social responsibility"/"we're all in this together!"), moral ("I find unnecessary deaths unacceptable") or sociological ("muh hospitals").
Which is fine, just don't present your ideological, moral and sociological opinions as hard scientific fact.
Silence, nonce.