Will there ever be an end to the constantly growing ‘wokeness’?

[Ser Prize]

If moderates could be useful for once in disarming the Far Left instead of years of capitulation, we wouldn't have legions of Right leaning people radicalizing further online in efforts to match the lunacy and danger that Leftoids pose. Instead their continually craven fence sitting has allowed this problem to fester farther than it had to.

Moderates are just useful idiots for the Far Left. Same with centrists.

 

[Mothra1988]

Liz Cheney is a hawk who opposes same sex marriage, pro-small government, and wants to lower taxes. She also wants America to remain in Afghanistan, and is pro-torture, denies waterboarding counts as torture, and tried to explain the benefits of torture to an actual torture victim.

How the hell is she a crypto-Republican?

Your understanding of what Republicans are is stuck in 2001 It would seem. Trump being against the Iraq War and being an isolationist helped him get elected with the Republican base. I seriously haven't seen talking points like this post-Tea Party. Neo-Cons have been openly mocked by Republicans everywhere to the point it even happens on Fox News in prime time.

Liz Cheney is an establishment tool who despises the Republican base. She is no different than Hillary Clinton for all practical purposes. If she tried running nationally, she would get laughed off the stage worse than Michael Bloomberg. There's a great chance she may even be primaried out of her seat.

 

[Anti-Intellectual]

They both believe batshit conspiracy theories: Clinton supporters claiming 2016 was stolen, Trump supporters claiming 2020 was stolen. Lefties think Trump is a literal Nazi, rightists think Biden is a communist. They're both triggered by anyone with a dissenting opinion.

I'm generalizing obviously. I've known fairly ordinary people from all sides of the political spectrum. But by and large, they're just so. fucking. insufferable. complaining about every little thing.

'WAR ON CHRISTMAS! CULTURAL MARXISM! CLIMATE CHANGE IS A HOAX!'

'THIS SONG IS RACIST! THAT ADVERT IS FATPHOBIC! CLIMATE CHANGE WILL KILL EVERYONE NEXT WEDNESDAY, EAT BUG PEASANT!'

Righties boycott NFL cuz some black guy kneels. Lefties boycott Chick-Fil-A cuz, uh, homophobia or something. After a while it just blends into one big soup of pure, unadulterated autism.

Which side has the academia, media, political, and cultural institutions on its side again?
You see fit to compare the worst qualities of either side while completely ignoring the quantity of political support the Left has over the Right. It's not the 80's/90's or even 00's anymore. One of the worst traits of Liberals today is their inability to see how dangerous a collectivized Left truly is, they're still fighting phantoms of the Right wing that have effectively been put to rest long ago.

 

[Dyn]

Which side has the academia, media, political, and cultural institutions on its side again?
You see fit to compare the worst qualities of either side while completely ignoring the quantity of political support the Left has over the Right. It's not the 80's/90's or even 00's anymore. One of the worst traits of Liberals today is their inability to see how dangerous a collectivized Left truly is, they're still fighting phantoms of the Right wing that have effectively been put to rest long ago.

"One of the worst traits of Liberals is how they're successfully running the entire country and culture by themselves and doing just fine at it"

ok rightoid

 

[Male Idiot]

If they successfully ran the country, how come George Floyd the Meth Saint hasn't been ressurected yet?

Turdsoutforflyod!

 

[Pope Negro Joe XIII 2]

Nobody listens to dumb cocksuckers like you, die without ever being taken seriously once in your life.

Do I need to buy a ticket to this showing or do I get all this projection for free?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Some of the dumbest shit I've ever read, pure denial lol

"One of the worst traits of Liberals is how they're successfully running the entire country and culture by themselves and doing just fine at it"

ok rightoid

Do I need to buy a ticket to this showing or do I get all this projection for free?

 

[Pope Negro Joe XIII 2]

I am a dumb nigger and I suck cocks all day

 

[🌐🌐🌐]

Not on my watch, it's a great source of funny shit to laugh at

 

[Kiwisee]

Probably when social media goes completely out of style.

 

[Begemot]

Probably when social media goes completely out of style.

Nah, we'll just implant a QR code associated with your social credit score, welcome to the mark of the beast', sweetie!

 

[bread n circuses]

It'll stop. They always do. Ride it out. It'll become as popular as 80's excess is now & we'll all sit back & have a good laugh at what utter fucking stupid cunts everyone was face palming giggling 'oh why did we even care about that?' ya know ... the same thing your mom does when she see's an old photo with huge hair & massive shoulder pads.
The woke parents' kids will grow up & get to the age where they go "yeah nah fuck that shit" and do something completely different. It's an endless cycle that boils down to simply no kid wants to grow up to be like their parents.

Unless Evel Kneival or Richard Petty was your dad …

This is a very limited perspective on the matter.

When was the last time a “civil rights struggle” was lost or significantly pushed back? You’re acting as if the deeply held political views taught to young people today are the same as an embarrassing hairstyle. I’m sure that some stuff like neopronouns(fae/faerself or whatever) won’t last, but the general progressive drift of society will continue.

I am almost certain that 90% of the people complaining about “wokeness” fully accept every single past iteration of social libertinism and look in horror at societies that are illiberal. It’s way more likely that your descendants will one day look at you and judge you for being insufficiently woke than that they’ll laugh at you for being too woke.

The West has moved past the era when liberal capitalism was breaking down barriers and taboos. We are witnessing the birth of new taboos and new sacred cows that will reintroduce a strict moral order to society. We have replaced blasphemy against God with blasphemy against equality.

Wokeness is being enshrined into every institution, every layer of society from the family to the court system to the supermarket. Nobody with real power is making a concerted effort to push back against it because why would they? A mass of hypersensitive hedonistic individualists are easy to sell shit to and unlikely to revolt. Nobody in power has any incentive to bother stopping it, and many are actively encouraging it.

I don’t mean to be a wet blanket, but I see so many people confidently talking about how any day now there’ll be a backlash and society will revert to the 00s/90s/80s/70s/whatever other era they idealize. They use the same tone people did when saying that Tumblrites with crazy ideas like “white privilege” would never get a foothold in mainstream society.

What will actually happen is that what seems absurd today will seem normal tomorrow, and what seems like common sense will be reviled.

There is no getting off this wild ride.

 

[Poppavalyim Andropoff]

This is a very limited perspective on the matter.

Sorry I didn't write a fucking term paper on it. ..

 

[snailslime]

This is a very limited perspective on the matter.

When was the last time a “civil rights struggle” was lost or significantly pushed back? You’re acting as if the deeply held political views taught to young people today are the same as an embarrassing hairstyle. I’m sure that some stuff like neopronouns(fae/faerself or whatever) won’t last, but the general progressive drift of society will continue.

I am almost certain that 90% of the people complaining about “wokeness” fully accept every single past iteration of social libertinism and look in horror at societies that are illiberal. It’s way more likely that your descendants will one day look at you and judge you for being insufficiently woke than that they’ll laugh at you for being too woke.

The West has moved past the era when liberal capitalism was breaking down barriers and taboos. We are witnessing the birth of new taboos and new sacred cows that will reintroduce a strict moral order to society. We have replaced blasphemy against God with blasphemy against equality.

Wokeness is being enshrined into every institution, every layer of society from the family to the court system to the supermarket. Nobody with real power is making a concerted effort to push back against it because why would they? A mass of hypersensitive hedonistic individualists are easy to sell shit to and unlikely to revolt. Nobody in power has any incentive to bother stopping it, and many are actively encouraging it.

I don’t mean to be a wet blanket, but I see so many people confidently talking about how any day now there’ll be a backlash and society will revert to the 00s/90s/80s/70s/whatever other era they idealize. They use the same tone people did when saying that Tumblrites with crazy ideas like “white privilege” would never get a foothold in mainstream society.

What will actually happen is that what seems absurd today will seem normal tomorrow, and what seems like common sense will be reviled.

There is no getting off this wild ride.

lmao nice schizopost

 

[George Floyd Sneed]

There is no getting off this wild ride.

You nailed it.

If 2020 showed us anything, the whole “red line that once crossed, people aren’t going to take it anymore” doesn’t exist. Conservatives at that time instead just crowed about how Democrats are the real racists and offered blacks reparations. With opposition like that, little wonder the left has taken over every meaningful institution.

Wokeness also benefits the interest groups that Republicans get on their knees for so there is no chance of them doing anything other than lip service. So yeah, no chance we’re getting off this ride anytime soon.

 

[bread n circuses]

lmao nice schizopost

Ignore the schizoposters at your peril.

 

[TheArtilleryman]

I like to imagine woke culture is just another swing towards aggressive libertarian leftism similar to the free love hippy era of the late 60s/early 70s. Both gave rise to pretentious and often malicious left subcultures masquerading under the guise of "love" and civil/human rights, but right leaning folks saw them for what they were as a hugbox of degenerates that were mostly either NEETs or some form of useless profession that just involves telling people what to think (artists/speakers/journos). In the end though the whole movement died off save for that weird smelly uncle who still has a ponytail.

Having said that, I wasn't alive then, I'm only going by what I was lead to believe about that whole era. It's a nice thought though.

 

[JosephStalin]

Every pendulum always swings back. So will this stupid shit. Believe the swingback has already started. "Wokeness" will remain among the marginals of our society. Matter of fact, no matter how much "wokeness" there is, the marginals of our society will remain marginals.

The "woke" practitioners actually fucked themselves. If they had espoused the concept of treating everyone with courtesy and respect, no matter what, they'd have found a good deal of success. But no movement based on tearing one group down to build up another group works for long. And those who have demonized others end up demons themselves. Deleting history doesn't work, since too many statues, collections, etc., are in private hands and cannot be fucked with. The "woke" sowed the seeds of their eventual failure long ago.

The vast majority of people are in the middle, and they like it. Most people have no problem with gay people, or troons. The problem arises when homosexuality and other "alternative" practices are forced upon people.

Most Americans are pretty tolerant until shit starts getting shoved down their throats, then watch out.

 

[Secret Asshole]

So, I've explained this in many threads, I figure one more can't hurt.

Pretty much everything on this planet is driven by money. Wokeness is no exception. 'Wokeness' in its current form evolved out of the post-modernist movements in France in the 1950s, basically pushed into academia and were the formation for every modern civil rights movement. The thing is, however, this push was driven by real problems. The thing is, these problems inevitably create careers. Industries. Jobs. Journals. Professorships. Universities. Departments in Academia, Private Industry and Government. There's a whole economy on this. When you had the Civil Rights bill passed, you still had work to do. But over time, this has consistently and constantly faded.

Problems begin to fade and they need to be replaced. So you have this constant glut of problem after problem after problem. Most notably, we see this with modern day 'Fourth wave' feminism. There's this massive struggle looking for problems it eventually created this oborous that is entirely designed to eat itself and look for nails everywhere. If you notice, with the rare exception of BLM, the LGBTQ and feminist and even Marxist movements have been completely scattershot and all over the place. They don't have cohesive goals, because they need constant problems and the problems they generate aren't actually big ones that anyone cares about, so they're either quickly forgotten or quashed. Police brutality is one of the notable exceptions as its the only thing that's been focused clearly and plainly and most people can identify, and even that singular goal has collapsed as crime has massively increased and people are mocking the cops for checking vaccine passports but not doing shit about murder and theft.

I mean, they've tried infiltrating the sciences but its kind of hard, because there's really not much wiggle room there. And pretty much everyone in the 'S' part of STEM fucking hates soft scientists and thinks they're living jokes, especially women and minorities in the field (because they're generally foreign and foreigners think the humanities in our country is a huge fucking joke). That and well, no Americans want to go into science anymore anyway. Except for me, and my reward is getting COVID twice. Anyway...

A large part of this too is a company's ESG score. Its another rating metric that people use to see which firms are good to invest in based on their 'environmental', 'social justice' and 'governmental' score, which is their corporate culture, how woke and green they are. Why this number equates to good investing is a mystery to me, but there are billions if not trillions of dollars attempting to push wokeness. Its why you get hilarious and ridiculous shit like Rayetheon being the '#1 LGBTQ Company' even though it designs fucking death machines and why you have ADIDAS pumping out BLM commercials with a small black girl making a fist, yet it has hundreds of sweat shops across the globe where children her age and younger are being used to pump out merchandise. I mean, there's a lot of doom and gloom about these ESG factors, but they're HILARIOUSLY inaccurate. For example, the correlation between Moody's and S&P (the two major rating agencies) is 0.99. Meaning for any one company they rate, the ratings are both near identical, which means they're reliable. The correlation out of the ESG rating firms is....a paltry 0.3. Which means they're all over the fucking place. Firstly, they're extremely subjective to grading.

ESG ratings agencies are also hilariously wishy-washy as to how they grade shit. E, S and G have no measurement standards, are distinct issues and have no commonly accepted definition. So the whole ESG craze is basically so degenerate gamblers feel good about themselves. For now. We'll see how much money it takes for them to lose at the table for their greed to outweigh their conscious. I'm betting it won't take much. Also remember, ESG is more about looking good than doing good, and for people doing ESG ratings to sell their product and asset managers to sell ESG portfolios. The whole ESG thing is a scam, and there's little to no evidence that it results in 1) Anyone doing anything good at all and 2) That you're going to get more money. And reminder, there are HUNDREDS of ESG raters. So you could easily shop around for the best one because, badump, there's no definition, classification, standardization and creating ESG relies on public disclosures, company disclosures, news articles, social media, data published by NGOs, governments, company surveys, third party data sets....so, its basically just fucking all smoke and mirrors.

ESG is another pretty product that rich people use to rip rich people off and make us all fucking miserable until they're not able to fool other rich people any more and they finally just give the fuck up.

 

[The Last Stand]

Eventually, yes. Wokeness won't "end" per se, but will be discarded into obscurity as a time before.

We are slowly see "woke" policies getting BTFO by mainstream AND corporations. See Dave Chapelle with Netflix, "defund the police" folks reaping what they sewed, social media platform silently suppressing BLM/ANTIFA phrasing, even Biden's handling of the US.

I think Biden's "victory" will be the catalyst that will change Woke trajectory over time. Nobody likes Biden. Even MSM are having a hard time reporting, even speaking with Biden/Harris as they hold on to whatever momentum they THINK they have.

Neoliberalism with wokeness are two ungodly bedfellows. It's only a matter of time before one of them turns on the other. With "woke" people, they LOVE to eat their own if it'll help them short term. They have no long-term staying power, especially once you take away their income and social streams.

If you're in college, good luck. Otherwise, just try to hold the course as long as possible. Worrying about it isn't going to help matters.