Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

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Which, for the record, don't at all walk back what she previously said. Rowling has always been on the softer side of gender critical, game to recognize gender identity as long as sex remains inscribed and protected in law. It isn't cowardly, and it isn't doublespeak. It's just what she believes to be right.

Fact of the matter is, most people who've been branded TERFs don't care what fully grown adults choose to do to their bodies. The legal fight is over 1) transitioning kids and 2) protecting female only spaces in contexts where sex matters, as in prisons, shelters, and sports. The persecution LARP needs more persecution, though. So they keep adding spice to the fantasies. Exterminatory transphobia calling it now.
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Olly is a retard and it really shines through in his lack of understanding of gender critical beliefs. There are some women, like Rowling, that are very compassionate to trans people and will play along with their made-up "gender identity" to their face to be nice. There isn't really any animosity between the "hardcore" gendercrit women that use sex-based pronouns for trans people and those that don't. At the end of the day both groups believe that laws should NOT be written around self-ID but instead written around biological sex. Self-ID has already been shown to harm women, whether that be in women's prisons where women are being assaulted by TIMs, contact sports such as rugby or boxing where women's safety is at much greater risk now that they're competing against males, other sports where women are having to compete for second or third place since TIMs will come in first no matter what, or even just in the lack of spaces that women have away from men now that TIMs are either joining them or trying to put an end to them.

We already have more than enough examples of this happening, with Hubbard taking a woman's place at the Olympics, Kelly Morgan "folding women like deckchairs" in rugby, mediocre male swimmer Lia Thomas dominating women's swimming, the end of MitchFest, the funding for the Vancouver rape shelter being canceled, and the current situation in women's prisons in California and Canada. I can keep going and this is all off the top of my head. It'll only keep getting worse as more self-ID laws are passed, and as it gets worse more and more women will hold gender critical views.
 
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aanoo said:
How hard is it to say “I lied about being attracted to men for clout, I’m actually not”. Imagine being self-indulgent enough to make like 3 hours of videos on it
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Oh yeah, I forget that Olly was supposedly bi, has he ever evidenced this?

I would say that him going out with other trans people like Contra may be enough, but he can't agree with this!
 
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Oh yeah, I forget that Olly was supposedly bi, has he ever evidenced this?

I would say that him going out with other trans people like Contra may be enough, but he can't agree with this!
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Sorry for even telling you this but he claimed that the "mouthfeel" of Contra's dick is different than a "cisgender" man's dick so it's implied that he's given head to a man that wasn't on HRT.
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I find it hard to believe that he's actually bisexual and not just GAMP but whatever.
 
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Shotgun Badger said:
Oh yeah, I forget that Olly was supposedly bi, has he ever evidenced this?

I would say that him going out with other trans people like Contra may be enough, but he can't agree with this!
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I haven’t watched the video since it came out because it annoyed me so much, but yeah he doesn’t even talk about men in it, really.

He just talks about ~girldick~ and how the mouthfeel is better. Even at the time I couldn’t take it seriously, it just seemed like an attempt to not be a cisstraightwhitemale. He’s never dated a man either (obviously how you feel about the identities of Contra and new primark Contra may influence this).
 
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How do you see Olly ending once he realizes the intellectually flimsy videos and transactivism isn't getting him the attention he wanted and fans are getting fed up?

A) Making a big huff about how Internet leftism is toxic, thanking his faithful fans and dramatically announcing he's going to quit, possibly quietly detransitioning and finding a non-acting job

B) Moving on, but without the big announcement, just quietly fading from online spaces and leaving everyone to wonder why he never posted again

C) Returning to his old style of content, no longer imitating Contra or discussing trans issues much
 
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How do you see Olly ending once he realizes the intellectually flimsy videos and transactivism isn't getting him the attention he wanted and fans are getting fed up?

A) Making a big huff about how Internet leftism is toxic, thanking his faithful fans and dramatically announcing he's going to quit, possibly quietly detransitioning and finding a non-acting job

B) Moving on, but without the big announcement, just quietly fading from online spaces and leaving everyone to wonder why he never posted again

C) Returning to his old style of content, no longer imitating Contra or discussing trans issues much
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Some twist on version A) part 1. He's a raging narc asshole so he can't just fade away or retire into obscurity and detrooning would require him to admit being wrong about something, he can't do that either. Some kind of hyper-trantrum about "toxicity in Internet leftism" and "internalized transphobia" and "such a toll on my mental health" not unlike Ellis' almost-suicide-note Very Last Post Before Logging Off The Goddamn Internet. He definitely isn't going to leave the public space even after something like that, so he'll be changing the TRA scene for mental health activism or something. That would leave him plenty of opportunity to hog the limelight and talk about himself and his philosophy tube, too.
 
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Some twist on version A) part 1. He's a raging narc asshole so he can't just fade away or retire into obscurity and detrooning would require him to admit being wrong about something, he can't do that either. Some kind of hyper-trantrum about "toxicity in Internet leftism" and "internalized transphobia" and "such a toll on my mental health" not unlike Ellis' almost-suicide-note Very Last Post Before Logging Off The Goddamn Internet. He definitely isn't going to leave the public space even after something like that, so he'll be changing the TRA scene for mental health activism or something. That would leave him plenty of opportunity to hog the limelight and talk about himself and his philosophy tube, too.
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He might stay on the troon grift for as long as possible, it might become a niche as his fanbase shrinks but he'll have hardcore deluded followers for a steady supply of attention - if that is enough for him, but then do a hard 180 if/when the detrans movement rolls around so he can go back to being a man acceptably.
 
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Considering that weapons grade copeseethe from a couple days ago, can he even gracefully shift gears or causes? Portraying yourself as the valiant martyr who will be vindicated by the eye of history as your opponents quietly slide to your side not because you're actually right, but because the GC feminists will realize/decide that the conservatives they agree with on sex being a real thing will be too intolerable to be associated with, is a hard cliff to back away from. Especially after saying white cis women are so deranged and mentally ill they simply accept whatever conspiracy theories are fed to them by the Bad Guys. Olly seems completely trapped in a narcissistic hero fantasy.

(I'm sorry this is garbled, but I can't think of a better way to express this D: )
 
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Happy New Year, fellow Tube-heads! In a hilarious and rather disturbing turn of events, I've just woken up from an alcohol-fuelled fever dream starring TERF Island's most famous cylindrical philosopher-cum-actress. Honestly I'm suprised it hasn't happened before given how often I'm up reading this thread late at night when I should be asleep. Anyway, click the spoiler to learn more about Tube's latest starring role.

The premise of the dream was that the BBC was at my work doing a piece on Covid. Tube was hanging around with all the rest of us in the smoking area watching the filming. The correspondent was none other than Fiona Bruce, by whom Olly was of course utterly bewitched. It makes total sense because Fiona Bruce is actually a real-life instantiation of the middle-class-yummy-Mummy-slash-intelligent-sexy-Latin-teacher archetype which Olly tries so desperately to inhabit... except that Fiona Bruce actually has the poise, intelligence and fashion sense to pull it off. Anyway, as Fiona & co were filming, Tubey was looking on in a state of autogynophilic rapture, wide-eyed and giggling and trying to sort of duck in behind the camera shot to get some screentime to list on IMDB. And then—and this sent Tube almost over the edge—Fiona Bruce walks over and asks if any of us would like to be interviewed. Deliciously, Fiona Bruce totally blanks Olly who is squriming around, practically jumping up and down shouting "Pick me, pick me!" but to no avail. A workmate of mine is chosen for the interview which causes Tube to spiral: he goes into a proper petulant sulk and performs an ostentatious storming off routine, exiting stage left. My first thought, loyal Kiwi that I am, is to log in here and post about it. So I head back home to pull up this thread on my computer. Somehow, now I'm living in a lesbian commune squatting in a beautiful 18th-century French chateau. And guess who the fuck is in the shared kitchen, hulking over the minifridge fishing out some Waitrose chipolatas? You guessed it! Olly's sausagey fingers seem to be having trouble getting his sausagey snack out of the fridge, so I reach in at the same time and accidentally graze Tube's boob(!) with my arm. Olly goes into a full-on narcissistic rage, shouting at me and giving me shit for invading "a woman's personal space" which is "majorly triggering" and "invasive", all of which I, "as a fellow woman", should understand. He then makes the quite characteristic accusation that my transphobic intrusion is precisely the kind of thing which was holding back his acting career and is to blame for all the world, including Fiona Bruce, being against him. Even in my dream, I struggled to hold back a smirk. I then rushed back to my room which, inexplicably, I shared with three butch ladies dressed as lions - the Lion Kings tell me that "the new girl Abby" (the mention of this name is followed by knowing looks) is a total grifter and hasn't been participating at all in the commune's activities and just sits in her room all the time on YouTube. I'm thinking that I now simply must tell you all the latest so I run around trying to fire up my laptop and tell all of you that I was living with the Princess of TERF Island herself except my laptop was a typewriter and it was full of ant eggs and then all these ants started crawling out??????? And then I woke up. Roll credits on Olly's biggest acting job for 2022.

Any of you fancy playing Jung and analyzing what the hell is wrong with me? Just kidding, I think I have a pretty good grasp on that; I'm actually quite proud of my unconcious for spinning such a realistic and entertaining yarn. It has everything: jealous admiration of an elegant woman Tube will never be, a petulant narcissistic rage, and even a real-life Tube Boob. Is this last item a premonition for the New Year surgery?!
 
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Saw this article floating in A&N saying Olly was involved in glow ops. Basically he served as an influencer for the Royal Institution in collaboration with a """communication""" firm run by actual glowies, with the goal of countering anti-lockdown/mandates/injections arguments. And never disclosed if/how much he was paid.
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Designed “to curb the influence of pseudoscience material online, with specific emphasis on Coronavirus-related ‘anti-vaxxing’ sentiment,” the operation is run by the UK’s Royal Institution, and dubbed “Challenging Pseudoscience.”
According to internal documents, Valent plans to design a “mass appeal social media campaign fronted and owned by prominent social media figure Abigail Thorn,” the founder of Philosophy Tube. Valent’s research on British citizens who reject official policy on COVID-19 “will be used to devise a campaign that utilises YouTuber Abigail Thorn’s existing platform to achieve a measurable cognitive shift in the target audience,” the files state.
Moreover, none other than Abigail Thorn was guest-of-honor at Challenging Pseudoscience’s launch event in February, “Vaccines: Warriors and Worriers,” which featured a debate on “how vaccines work, why people are skeptical despite the evidence, and how disinformation about vaccines spreads online.”
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First female 007 confirmed :story:
 
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