Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?
US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)
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Eggplant Wizard
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Step 1: Calm down.
Step 2: Put a lid on the bucket of crabs.
Step 3: Set it to boil in Minecraft.
Step 4: Enjoy life as a man free from a source of misery.
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whats up with all the gop cucks/we'll get them next time?
is this kiwifarms or thedonald? i am going to laguh so hard when you get sent to the doghouse.
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is this kiwifarms or thedonald? i am going to laguh so hard when you get sent to the doghouse.
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Perhaps because this time enough republicans have come to realize the Left doesn't care about anything but obtaining and holding power by almost any means. I would be willing to argue that wasn't really the case before. At least before, the Left made an attempt to actually win and in certain instances compromise. Now, it's eff everybody including Joe Manchin and Sinema for not falling in line.
I also can't see how they think behaving like that again will get them anywhere especially for 2024. They have to pass some form of Voter ID/election reform bill, they should get rid of Fauci, Walensky etc. assuming they're still there by January 2023, they have to deal with this "woke" BS that is corrupting everything (don't ask me how they plan to do that exactly, because I don't know right now), if inflation is still a problem this year which I'm sure it will be, they have to deal with it, and so on.
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I should also add...at this point why continue giving corporations tax cuts when so many of them have gotten "woke"? Eff that. They get what they deserve if they do that crap again.
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Anyone who donates to Crenshaw gets what they deserve.
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>Predicts a new viral pandemic
That's a fucking given at this point. A retarded monkey that does nothing but shits itself all day could even predict something so obvious.
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Everything but an alien invasion isn't exactly hard to predict.
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Joe Biden is President so absolutely nobody seriously believes the Republicans will pass anything if they get control of Congress. They could try to pass Build Back Better just with a different name slapped on and Biden would still veto it just because the Dems can't allow them to have anything. At least it and the "voting rights" bill will be dead for good.
People stroking it to visions of a “Red Tsunami” ought to remember what the GOP did last time they had the House and Senate, which was shit the bed and do nothing except get the Mueller Investigation going.
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So, if the first three (given, given, possible) happen, her run for the year is 75% and her average is only impacted slightly. I'm surprised she didn't toss in "a surprising election result" to get her up to 80% for the year.
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The left is already looking to 2024. Some want to see a Biden primary challenge.
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“Will there be a progressive challenger? Yes,” said one prominent Democrat.
When Joe Biden first came into office, progressives said he could be the next FDR.
Now, as Biden’s relationship with the left has come under strain, liberals are talking about treating him like former President Jimmy Carter instead — and mapping out a Democratic primary challenge in 2024.
“Will there be a progressive challenger? Yes,” said Jeff Weaver, Sen. Bernie Sanders’ former presidential campaign manager.
Weaver stresses that he is not advocating for such a primary campaign. But the chatter about a left-wing challenge to Biden, which was virtually nonexistent weeks ago, has suddenly burst into public view in the wake of Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) killing the president’s climate and social spending bill.
“He’s deeply unpopular. He’s old as shit. He’s largely been ineffective, unless we’re counting judges or whatever the hell inside-baseball scorecard we’re using. And I think he’ll probably get demolished in the midterms,” said Corbin Trent, co-founder of the progressive No Excuses PAC and former communications director for Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.). “People will smell opportunity, and D.C. is filled with people who want to be president.”
No one now in office — and none of the top-tier presidential contenders from 2020 — is viewed as a serious prospect to take on Biden. Nor is there any expectation that Sanders or Sen. Elizabeth Warren, both of whom have enjoyed a significant amount of influence in the Biden administration, would primary Biden. Few seriously think Ocasio-Cortez would risk her political capital in a long-shot challenge to the president, either.
Instead, liberals believe lesser-known candidates are more likely to primary Biden if he seeks a second term, such as former Sanders campaign co-chair Nina Turner, 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson or millionaire and $18-an-hour minimum wage advocate Joe Sanberg.
“Yes, but someone like Nina Turner or Marianne Williamson. Doubt anyone currently elected," said one prominent progressive when asked if someone from the left would run against Biden.
The fact that any primary challenge at all is now openly being discussed demonstrates how disappointed some progressives are about Biden’s presidency. It’s also a reflection of Biden’s weakness in the polls and his advanced age — the same factors that are driving more traditional and moderate Democrats to talk privately about scenarios if Biden doesn’t run for reelection as promised.
“I don’t think the country nor certainly not progressives in the party, who all tend to be younger, are going to sit on the sidelines,” said Mark Longabaugh, a progressive ad-maker who worked as a consultant for Sanders’ presidential campaign.
Weaver argued that a liberal challenge wouldn’t be a “repudiation” of Biden but rather the result of the Democratic Party moving left: “Progressives are ultimately ascendant. And if nothing else, a progressive running who gets a lot of support will demonstrate that the ideas that the progressive movement embraces are, in fact, popular.”
Though a progressive challenger would face an almost impossible task — despite his flagging poll numbers overall, Biden is still supported by the vast majority of Democratic voters — even a symbolic candidate could cause political trouble for the president.
If a left-winger primaries Biden, Trent predicted that “it’ll be a bigger primary than people anticipate — I think it’ll be like a Jimmy Carter primary.” Ted Kennedy, a liberal, won close to a dozen states during his 1980 challenge of Carter, who then went on to lose reelection.
When Sanders himself reportedly considered running against then-President Barack Obama ahead of his 2012 reelection campaign, the Obama team was alarmed because “every president who has gotten a real primary has lost a general [election].”
No candidate of Kennedy’s stature has even hinted at mounting a bid. “Progressives in the House, in the Senate, in the Progressive Caucus are not talking about primarying Biden,” said an aide to a senior House progressive.
If Biden did face a left-wing challenge, even from a lesser-known figure, it would mark a dramatic turnaround in his relationship with progressives. Though Biden was not their candidate — and liberals were deeply disappointed watching Sanders come close to winning the nomination only to falter — they have ended up being among the president’s staunchest allies. Top progressive aides helped elect Biden, and liberal House and Senate members have strongly defended his agenda in Congress.
“President Biden and his senior team have made a concerted effort to reach out to me since Sen. Sanders’ campaign ended and seek input into legislation and strategy,” said Rep. Ro Khanna, a former Sanders campaign co-chair. “He wants to implement a bold progressive vision, and he will have my enthusiastic support in 2024 so we have eight years to do it.”
Biden already looks to be trying to make amends with the left. Since Manchin axed Build Back Better, the president has acceded to two major demands from progressive lawmakers and activists: He extended the pandemic-related moratorium on student loan payments and recently offered his clearest and most direct support for doing away with the filibuster to push through voting rights legislation.
“The president and the full spectrum of the party are working to deliver on Build Back Better, including strong collaboration with progressives and the left,” said a Biden campaign alum.
Williamson, a self-help author who dropped out of the 2020 presidential campaign before the first caucuses, said “I think the president will definitely face a challenger in 2024 ... The yearning to make government actually work for the people again is so intense now, and yes, absolutely, someone will emerge to make a stand for it.”
She did not respond to a question about whether she would consider running against Biden.
Turner told POLITICO shortly after Manchin’s announcement that there would be a left-wing challenge against Biden “without a doubt.” Like Williamson, she did not reply when asked whether she might be the one to do it.
A spokesperson for Sanberg said “there’s no truth” to the idea that he would consider primarying Biden.
During a run for Congress in a 2021 special election, Turner was a prolific small-dollar fundraiser and won the support of big-name progressives. She lost by more than 5 percentage points, however, and is believed to be eyeing a potential rematch with now-Rep. Shontel Brown.
There is anxiety among some progressives that a challenge from a long-shot candidate would diminish the left’s brand — and perhaps create the impression that it is in a weaker state than it truly is. After Sanders launched two credible bids for president, liberals do not want to return to the days when former Rep. Dennis Kucinich was their standard-bearer in the race for the White House.
“I think it’s pretty unlikely that a serious progressive challenger would emerge if Biden stays in the race,” said Max Berger, former director of progressive outreach for Warren’s 2020 presidential campaign. “It would so go against the sensibilities of rank-and-file Democrats that I don’t think it would necessarily be a great service to the progressive cause to have our ideas seem so marginal.”
He added that, while it would look bad for Biden if a left-wing challenger received 20 percent of the vote in a Democratic primary, “the flip side of the 80-20 thing is I don’t want us getting 20 percent.”
Left-wing operatives and activists agree that if Biden declines to run for reelection, a more fulsome list of progressive candidates will consider a campaign, possibly including “Squad” members Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.) and Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.). California Reps. Khanna and Katie Porter, Warren, former presidential candidate Julián Castro and Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) also draw mention. If liberals fare well in next year’s midterms, that could also have an impact in shaping the 2024 field, particularly if the election goes as badly as expected for the party as a whole.
With the exception of Porter, who has ties to Vice President Kamala Harris, progressives do not expect prospective candidates on the left to stand down if Biden decides not to run again and passes the baton to his veep.
Some liberals even believe that elected officials who are currently not well-known or closely tied to the left, such as Rep. Joe Neguse (D-Colo.) and Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker, could make a play for the progressive lane in an open primary in 2024.
Few of them, however, have the cache of some of Biden’s top-tier rivals for the nomination in 2020. Sanders, who is 80 years old, has said it is “very, very unlikely” he will run again. Warren, at 72, is younger, but significantly underperformed expectations in 2020. While many liberals would be overjoyed if she ran, Ocasio-Cortez would, at 35, be just old enough to qualify, and many are unsure if she will take the plunge.
A progressive operative said that because of the lack of an ideal bench, talk on the left about a plan B if Biden doesn’t run for reelection is not taking place “as much as I wish was happening, to be honest about it.”
“Will there be a progressive challenger? Yes,” said one prominent Democrat.
When Joe Biden first came into office, progressives said he could be the next FDR.
Now, as Biden’s relationship with the left has come under strain, liberals are talking about treating him like former President Jimmy Carter instead — and mapping out a Democratic primary challenge in 2024.
“Will there be a progressive challenger? Yes,” said Jeff Weaver, Sen. Bernie Sanders’ former presidential campaign manager.
Weaver stresses that he is not advocating for such a primary campaign. But the chatter about a left-wing challenge to Biden, which was virtually nonexistent weeks ago, has suddenly burst into public view in the wake of Sen. Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) killing the president’s climate and social spending bill.
“He’s deeply unpopular. He’s old as shit. He’s largely been ineffective, unless we’re counting judges or whatever the hell inside-baseball scorecard we’re using. And I think he’ll probably get demolished in the midterms,” said Corbin Trent, co-founder of the progressive No Excuses PAC and former communications director for Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.). “People will smell opportunity, and D.C. is filled with people who want to be president.”
No one now in office — and none of the top-tier presidential contenders from 2020 — is viewed as a serious prospect to take on Biden. Nor is there any expectation that Sanders or Sen. Elizabeth Warren, both of whom have enjoyed a significant amount of influence in the Biden administration, would primary Biden. Few seriously think Ocasio-Cortez would risk her political capital in a long-shot challenge to the president, either.
Instead, liberals believe lesser-known candidates are more likely to primary Biden if he seeks a second term, such as former Sanders campaign co-chair Nina Turner, 2020 presidential candidate Marianne Williamson or millionaire and $18-an-hour minimum wage advocate Joe Sanberg.
“Yes, but someone like Nina Turner or Marianne Williamson. Doubt anyone currently elected," said one prominent progressive when asked if someone from the left would run against Biden.
The fact that any primary challenge at all is now openly being discussed demonstrates how disappointed some progressives are about Biden’s presidency. It’s also a reflection of Biden’s weakness in the polls and his advanced age — the same factors that are driving more traditional and moderate Democrats to talk privately about scenarios if Biden doesn’t run for reelection as promised.
“I don’t think the country nor certainly not progressives in the party, who all tend to be younger, are going to sit on the sidelines,” said Mark Longabaugh, a progressive ad-maker who worked as a consultant for Sanders’ presidential campaign.
Weaver argued that a liberal challenge wouldn’t be a “repudiation” of Biden but rather the result of the Democratic Party moving left: “Progressives are ultimately ascendant. And if nothing else, a progressive running who gets a lot of support will demonstrate that the ideas that the progressive movement embraces are, in fact, popular.”
Though a progressive challenger would face an almost impossible task — despite his flagging poll numbers overall, Biden is still supported by the vast majority of Democratic voters — even a symbolic candidate could cause political trouble for the president.
If a left-winger primaries Biden, Trent predicted that “it’ll be a bigger primary than people anticipate — I think it’ll be like a Jimmy Carter primary.” Ted Kennedy, a liberal, won close to a dozen states during his 1980 challenge of Carter, who then went on to lose reelection.
When Sanders himself reportedly considered running against then-President Barack Obama ahead of his 2012 reelection campaign, the Obama team was alarmed because “every president who has gotten a real primary has lost a general [election].”
No candidate of Kennedy’s stature has even hinted at mounting a bid. “Progressives in the House, in the Senate, in the Progressive Caucus are not talking about primarying Biden,” said an aide to a senior House progressive.
If Biden did face a left-wing challenge, even from a lesser-known figure, it would mark a dramatic turnaround in his relationship with progressives. Though Biden was not their candidate — and liberals were deeply disappointed watching Sanders come close to winning the nomination only to falter — they have ended up being among the president’s staunchest allies. Top progressive aides helped elect Biden, and liberal House and Senate members have strongly defended his agenda in Congress.
“President Biden and his senior team have made a concerted effort to reach out to me since Sen. Sanders’ campaign ended and seek input into legislation and strategy,” said Rep. Ro Khanna, a former Sanders campaign co-chair. “He wants to implement a bold progressive vision, and he will have my enthusiastic support in 2024 so we have eight years to do it.”
Biden already looks to be trying to make amends with the left. Since Manchin axed Build Back Better, the president has acceded to two major demands from progressive lawmakers and activists: He extended the pandemic-related moratorium on student loan payments and recently offered his clearest and most direct support for doing away with the filibuster to push through voting rights legislation.
“The president and the full spectrum of the party are working to deliver on Build Back Better, including strong collaboration with progressives and the left,” said a Biden campaign alum.
Williamson, a self-help author who dropped out of the 2020 presidential campaign before the first caucuses, said “I think the president will definitely face a challenger in 2024 ... The yearning to make government actually work for the people again is so intense now, and yes, absolutely, someone will emerge to make a stand for it.”
She did not respond to a question about whether she would consider running against Biden.
Turner told POLITICO shortly after Manchin’s announcement that there would be a left-wing challenge against Biden “without a doubt.” Like Williamson, she did not reply when asked whether she might be the one to do it.
A spokesperson for Sanberg said “there’s no truth” to the idea that he would consider primarying Biden.
During a run for Congress in a 2021 special election, Turner was a prolific small-dollar fundraiser and won the support of big-name progressives. She lost by more than 5 percentage points, however, and is believed to be eyeing a potential rematch with now-Rep. Shontel Brown.
There is anxiety among some progressives that a challenge from a long-shot candidate would diminish the left’s brand — and perhaps create the impression that it is in a weaker state than it truly is. After Sanders launched two credible bids for president, liberals do not want to return to the days when former Rep. Dennis Kucinich was their standard-bearer in the race for the White House.
“I think it’s pretty unlikely that a serious progressive challenger would emerge if Biden stays in the race,” said Max Berger, former director of progressive outreach for Warren’s 2020 presidential campaign. “It would so go against the sensibilities of rank-and-file Democrats that I don’t think it would necessarily be a great service to the progressive cause to have our ideas seem so marginal.”
He added that, while it would look bad for Biden if a left-wing challenger received 20 percent of the vote in a Democratic primary, “the flip side of the 80-20 thing is I don’t want us getting 20 percent.”
Left-wing operatives and activists agree that if Biden declines to run for reelection, a more fulsome list of progressive candidates will consider a campaign, possibly including “Squad” members Ocasio-Cortez, Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.) and Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.). California Reps. Khanna and Katie Porter, Warren, former presidential candidate Julián Castro and Sen. Jeff Merkley (D-Ore.) also draw mention. If liberals fare well in next year’s midterms, that could also have an impact in shaping the 2024 field, particularly if the election goes as badly as expected for the party as a whole.
With the exception of Porter, who has ties to Vice President Kamala Harris, progressives do not expect prospective candidates on the left to stand down if Biden decides not to run again and passes the baton to his veep.
Some liberals even believe that elected officials who are currently not well-known or closely tied to the left, such as Rep. Joe Neguse (D-Colo.) and Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker, could make a play for the progressive lane in an open primary in 2024.
Few of them, however, have the cache of some of Biden’s top-tier rivals for the nomination in 2020. Sanders, who is 80 years old, has said it is “very, very unlikely” he will run again. Warren, at 72, is younger, but significantly underperformed expectations in 2020. While many liberals would be overjoyed if she ran, Ocasio-Cortez would, at 35, be just old enough to qualify, and many are unsure if she will take the plunge.
A progressive operative said that because of the lack of an ideal bench, talk on the left about a plan B if Biden doesn’t run for reelection is not taking place “as much as I wish was happening, to be honest about it.”
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I've been predicting three of these since last new years so she should get on my level.
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Interesting to see what will be accurate.
Feel bad for the aliens if the alien invasion is true.
Aliens "take us to your leader"
Takes them to Biden.
Alien "are you fucking with us?"
Absolutetense
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If by Alien invasion it’s a giant ass meteor, then I accept this mystic‘s vision.
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i thought it meant more illegals/migrants coming into the country
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Then she'd be 100% right.
Eggplant Wizard
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Just as an FYI: the black population in the US descended from former slaves that said “lol no” to the idea of going back to Africa and decided to live the American dream. Then Democrats happened.
Democrat sore losers of the civil war are literally the reason we have this situation. Booth shot Lincoln (after writing his time’s version of an edgelord manifesto, IIRC) causing the carpetbagger to even be a thing. Democrats founded the KKK to terrorize civilians, made the Jim Crow laws, etc. It’s like the Dems are obsessed with holding control over Black people, I cannot for the life of me understand why. What the hell were they getting out of them other than slave labor? Is there a literal cabal that has a prophecy of some kind?
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Who, though? Bernie's too old and too willing to cuck to the DNC. Ed Markey's too old, although you could argue that if Biden was old enough to run then Markey would be too. Warren's just not popular enough and too easy to attack. Buttigieg's too moderate. Once you get through all them, I'm pretty sure the only viable candidate the progs have left is AOC.Oxous said:
Would AOC win the primary? No; there are too many vested interests in the DNC for them to let a literal socialist win. Would she handle losing in the way Bernie did - that is, would she let the DNC roll over her and agree to set up a "unity task force" that has absolutely no impact on policy? I don't think so. If AOC does run and fails, I have a feeling the results'll be pretty interesting.
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Oxous
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That... is the problem. Like you said, there are no candidates so right now they basically have to just pray Biden lives until 2024.
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would anyone they run be able to beat DeSantis is the better question?
my theory is that he's waiting to see how the midterms go before he makes any official announcements.
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