Plagued Consoomers / Consoomer Culture - Because if it has a recogniseable brand on it, I’d buy it!

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Can't go into any detail because it's a hell of a powerlevel, but when I was a kid, I was actually supposed to go to Disneyland at one point, but my trip got canceled. Even at the time, I remember not really caring too much. It's always fun to go somewhere new, but hey, now all the stress of pretending to care about anything Disney is lifted, and I can stay home and play Nintendo and watch Nickelodeon.


Eeeeeeeeeexactly. Way later on, I realized I would have been down there while Nickelodeon Studios was still open, and I'm sure if I caught wind of that, I'd have wanted to go there instead. They also had that Back to the Future ride.

The whole thing with millenials being into Disney perplexes me, anyway. The one, sole Disney property I really enjoyed as a kid was Aladdin, but I only really enjoyed that for Genie, and Genie was moreso just Robin Williams doing his own thing than anything particularly Disney. Everything else I'd seen from Disney, I didn't care about. There wasn't even anything on Disney Channel I ever watched. It was all Nickelodeon and Cartoon Network for me. I don't remember any other kids ever being into Disney properties, either. It just wasn't a thing back then, but you wouldn't know it nowadays.


It probably would have bugged me, too, and yeah, I'm sure I'd only really want to see Epcot. Not that I'd go out of my way to see it, but it'd just be something to do that I'd at least get something out of, ironically, considering it's supposed to be a child-centric wonderland that costs a small fortune to even just visit.

I am a millenial and i do have some memories of liking some Disney movies, arguably the only saving grace of that brand is good animation features every so often but at around 8 i was already into anime and videogames so forget it, it was over and done by then. Even my sister was over Disney pretty early too and was more into Sailor Moon and Buffy the vampire slayer.

Now that i think about it not many contemporary people in my life have ever been that afectionate towards Disney at all, certainly not my friends or partners either so is not like a boys vs girls thing, always saw Disney fandom as narcissistic rich kids.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

That makes me curious as to what would have happened if I ever went as a kid. I know I would have been bored as hell. just wanting to go back to the hotel room to play my GameBoy or something.

Dunno. I was 12 when I went to Disneyworld (only time I ever went), and if I hadn't gone on some very nice late winter days I know I would've been utterly miserable. EPCOT had some fun rides and some "interesting" ideas (even at that age I knew something was kinda creepy about Walt Disney's ideas on how society should work, but it's kinda cool in the retro-future sense). Animal Kingdom is decent and Magic Kingdom has some good rides, but there's really nothing special compared to the average Six Flags park other than the fact it's cleaner and the clientele is USUALLY a little better. The entire appeal is "you really like Disney", and since I never really liked Disney (aside from Atlantis and maybe Tarzan, none of their movies I ever got obsessive about even if I liked them), it just doesn't appeal to me.

Disneyland though is a straight up skip, just go to Knott's Berry Farm or Magic Mountain instead if you want to wait in line all day. At least Disneyworld you can pay a little more to go between all the other parks, and EPCOT is just truly fucking weird to the point it's probably the only place I'd feel the slightest bit tempted to revisit as an adult. I'm more versed in ethnic stereotypes too so EPCOT's World Showcase would actually be fun.

Personally, I don't want to wait 2 hours in sweltering Florida/California heat to ride a mediocre rollercoaster or listen to some annoying musical reject, but maybe some people like that. I can't imagine why, but if I knew why people do weird things, I wouldn't be on Kiwifarms would I now?

 

[admiral]

The two that I watched from that era were Aladdin and The Lion King, probably both on VHS because I would have been super young when those were new. But, I honestly don't remember any other kids being especially into anything Disney produced at the time, let alone any of my childhood friends. There was tons of excellent children's entertainment back then, and I'd probably have been (rightfully) called a fag if I wanted to watch Pocahontas over Power Rangers.

Disney was very popular among kids, especially girls, when I was like 3-8, since this was just in the wake of the Disney Rennaisance. Going over to a friends' house to watch a movie it would almost always be Disney, and I had a lot of the VHS tapes of the movies myself which I watched religiously, although my favourites were Mulan and Fantasia.

In around 2003-4 Disney came out with this subscription based magazine series, which would come packaged with a porcelain doll of a disney character.

They look like this. Soldier Mulan was my favourite doll, I still have this one almost 20 years later. This doll is actually the most robust of the entire series since she's fully clothed in a tight suit so the limbs can't get loose and fall off. The limbs inside were held together with elactic threaded through a hole in the very top of the limb, but since the limbs themselves were porcelain the holes which the elastic went through would get weak and break if you put too much pressure on them by, say, repeatedly playing with the dolls and posing them and moving the limbs around and dropping them etc. Soldier Mulan has fairly limited range of movement due to her outfit, so her limbs were in less danger of suddenly dropping from their sockets

Spoiler: rambling Grandpa Simpson monologue

I think the point of the dolls was to collect and display them (If I'm rememebring the adverts right). My friend got the first one before me and I wanted one so badly. I begged and pleaded and eventually my mother relented and got the subscription. This was in the early 00s so you had to sign up through a form at W.H.Smiths (Stationary shop that used to be the best place on earth as far as I was concerned- lots of kids' books, coloured pens and notebooks, sweets, magazines, video games etc.) and then every fortnight they would put your magazine in a filing cabinet in the store and you'd have to go and pick it up. I have absolutely no idea why they wouldn't just send it to your house, but doing it this way meant that my Mum would take me on a special trip to Smiths in the shopping centre every couple of weeks after school, which was a big treat because she'd buy me a fizzy drink at the cafe beforehand (a rare occurance) and maybe get me a book too if I was behaving myself.

The magazine was whatever, the attached Dolls were the shit. As I gathered more and more of them I remember my parents getting mildly concerned at the quantity, especially whent he series moved on from princesses in various dresses and started sending dolls of Mulan's mother and all of the 7 dwarfs. There were 50 by the time the series ended, and I'd been accumulating them for a couple of years. I used to play with them constantly, but unfortunly I wasn't a very careful child and the limbs would regularly fall off, so I would have to contrive a way to either glue them back on or just accept that Prince Charming was now handicapped. Unfortunately poor Cinderella got thrown up on at one point, and her dress was never quite the same. By the time I was 9 or 10, most of the dolls were in a state of disrepair beyond salvage, so my parents convinced me to thin the herd and only keep the ones I really liked. I threw away all the fat ugly ones and the more boring dress variations, as well as any dolls which were really broken, and ended up with 15 dolls. 20-odd years later I have 8.

I looked up how much the dolls would have been worth if I'd kept them all in nice condition and not thrown away the magazines or given the dolls impromptu haircuts. They don't go for much online, even in mint condition (£4 each, £20 for a bundle of 10, £10 for both Mulan dolls etc.), so I presume that a bunch of Disney Adults bought them in the early 00s hoping to make a lot of money down the line and have now realised that they wasted their money. There is someone selling the whole lot of 50 in mint condition with magazines for £500 on ebay, but thus far there are no takers and someone else is selling the same for £143. The thing is that the dolls themselves aren't that nice and Disney has released far higher quality dolls in the years since, so the only reason anyone would buy them is for rarity's sake, but they're not that rare so it's generally a waste of time. They're called Deagostini dolls if anyone's curious. I kinda wish I still had Li Shang, and judgign from the ebay listings I could pick him up in near mint condition for less than a tenner. The listing was sayign that others were selling the dolls for '£59.99', which is a blatant lie. The price you can sell them for now probably is probably about the same if not less than they sold for when new, so the whole thing is just a huge mess. When consooming goes wrong, I guess.

 

[George Lucas]

Smartphones are garbage for emulation. They’re not powerful enough to run a Game Boy emulator accurately, let alone something more complex, external controllers and harnesses kill ergonomics and portability, and the battery life is shit. There are also no provisions for tweaking refresh rate, audio latency, and video output, so the input lag is going to be shit.

The best way to play pre-GBC games is via Japanese Super Game Boy 2. A regular Super Game Boy is also fine, but it speeds the game up a bit. BSNES can emulate both. Both Windows and Linux have provisions for getting timing very close to the original. Not sure about Mac.

 

[Autistic Joe]

Millenials grew up in the late eighties through the late nineties, this was the Disney Renaissance era. From 1989-1999 Disney studios would produce almost all of it's most famous animated works one right after the other, you know the ones they keep remaking ad-nauseum? All from that span of years. Disney also saw massive success in television animation during that era as well as things like Radio Disney and what not.

1989: The Little Mermaid
1990: The Rescuers: Down Under
1991: Beauty and The Beast
1992: Aladdin
1994: The Lion King (This was the highest grossing animated film of all time, grossing 968.5 million dollars world wide, until 2003 when Finding Nemo took it over. To this day The Lion King is still the highest grossing hand drawn animated film of all time and currently sits at twelfth place for all animated films)
1995: Pocahontas
1996: The Hunchback of Notre Dame
1997: Hercules
1998: Mulan
1999: Tarzan

Following the official end of this era Disney still put out some really good animated films though, a lot of those would go on to become cult classics too and many of the children that would form the tail end of the millenial generation grew up with them. Films such as Fantasia 2000, The Emperor's New Groove, Atlantis: The Lost City, and Treasure Planet are good examples of this.

I had all the Disney animated films growing up and I liked most of them but they never became anything more than just good movies to me. I was never asking for Disney toys or merch as a kid, I wanted Power Rangers and Star Wars and mangas. Even for western animation the non-Diney studio films left a larger impression on me as a kid, movies like Balto, Secret of NIMH, An American Tale, Road To El Dorado, and even Anastasia wowed me more as a kid due to their generally more serious tones.

As a Gen-X geezer, guess I pretty much dodged the Disney bullet growing up. All the old classics from the 40's and 50's were still around of course, and re-released on VHS. And they were great, but just a piece of nostalgic early animation, and I don't remember any kids my age being "really into" Disney. Instead we had shit like Star Wars (original trilogy), GI Joe, He-Man, and of course Atari 2600 games. (1980's OG Consooming right there, lemme tell ya. I apologize on behalf of my cohort for starting this shit lol.)

I mean there was the occasional odd bit of Disney memorabilia, but I never saw any kids that seemed super-obsessed with it. The most autistic behavior I remember was a lot of parents (boomer consoomers!) who were obsessed about getting all of the re-released classic movies on VHS. And Disney drove that by only releasing like one or two each year (until '91 when they went crazy), and only having it available in stores for a few months.

From that link:
> Robin Hood was released with a suggested retail price of $79.95 on VHS and Betamax

Jesus Christ that's the equivalent of $200 today. For a fucking VHS tape. wow

 

[whitepumpkin]

The most autistic behavior I remember was a lot of parents (boomer consoomers!) who were obsessed about getting all of the re-released classic movies on VHS. And Disney drove that by only releasing like one or two each year (until '91 when they went crazy), and only having it available in stores for a few months.

Yeah, the Disney vault stuff. I only had a few VHS' of Disney growing up because of that, but I never was Disney obsessed either. Probably because living in a different country, Disneyland and World was just some dream place, and the Disney cartoon block on Saturday mornings was just the best thing to watch when you have 3 channels as a kid.

I can understand a slight obsession if you're a budding animator and you watch a lot of the films to understand the mechanics of animation. Beyond that, I can't really get making your entire personality about how much you love Disney or how many times you go to the parks. Every time @NoReturn drops the Disney tiktoks and youtube videos of adults going to the park to consoom pin badges or rating junk food, I feel thankful I never fell into the Disney trap because it's such a depressing moneysink.

Especially after letting that Defunctland channel play in the background. The episode about how Walt Disney initially wanted EPCOT to be this city he had complete control over, even down to people's lives, was unnerving. And almost an omen.

 

[Skipjack]

Rookie animated film sperg so bear with me here. People vastly overestimate the number of things Disney produced that were of truly excellent quality as far as the last 50 years goes. The 70s and most of the 80s had movies that were, at best, cute and fun. The Renaissance is where they got some serious talent and revolutionized the genre by combining two mediums: animation, and Broadway-style musicals. Little Mermaid, Beauty and The Beast, Aladdin, and Lion King are beautiful and lively films. Pocahontas is much better off being forgotten, but Hunchback has an outstanding soundtrack and a good story. What absolutely kneecapped Disney in the late 90s was lyricist Stephen Schwartz dropping Mulan because DreamWorks' new Exodus project sounded a lot more neat and daring. But the damage had already been done, so to speak, and Disney knows that all it really needs are those four Renaissance films in its arsenal and it can convince people that everything they've ever put out is god's gift to earth, and nothing else can compare. The little buttons on their backpacks and silicone Starbucks cups are consoomers' ways of agreeing, like a symbol of allegiance.

Now, as their films become safer, dumber, and kind of morally off (with exceptions), they have that constant shield. Hercules? Basically Little Mermaid. Brother Bear? Basically Hercules. And so on and so forth. Disney adults had this shit played for them on loop as kids and now they can't even distinguish quality. Disney lies in this weird gray area for them between fun family childhood fun time, and being actually brilliant and a guide to life morals. DisneyWorld is a pilgrimage to them now, because Disney taught them all their standards and distorted them at the same time. So what's a few hundred extra dollars or two hours in line?

Btw, Encanto has some really weird morals to it, but try arguing that with a Disney adult. Nightmares.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Btw, Encanto has some really weird morals to it, but try arguing that with a Disney adult. Nightmares.

I have no plans to see Encanto but my sister with absolutely atrocious taste in films thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Care to give a quick write-up on it?

 

[Skipjack]

I have no plans to see Encanto but my sister with absolutely atrocious taste in films thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Care to give a quick write-up on it?

The major theme of the film is that trauma is a pissing contest and the real reason we should be decent human beings to our family members is because they might have been sad once. The grandmother treats her family like trophies, except the son of hers she exiled, and some of the members treat the young protag like garbage for being born different. Still, all is forgiven because they were only being mean because of trauma. No one's ever bullied someone just for power or fun. So forgive everybody, even the mother who ruined your life for decades by forcing you to live in the walls.

Excuses I've heard usually include "but it's about empathy! When you get context and understand things change!" as though meanness is always from a place of pain and not only will people course-correct once they've dumped their woes on you, but also that the victim should now forgive them and act like nothing happened. Won't lie, it's kind of nauseating.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

The major theme of the film is that trauma is a pissing contest and the real reason we should be decent human beings to out family members is because they might have been sad once. The grandmother treats her family like trophies, except the son of hers she exiled, and some of the members treat the young protag like garbage for being born different. Still, all is forgiven because they were only being mean because of trauma. No one's ever bullied someone just for power or fun. So forgive everybody, even the mother who ruined your life for decades by forcing you to live in the walls.

Excuses I've heard usually include "but it's about empathy! When you get context and understand things change!" as though meanness is always from a place of pain and not only will people course-correct once they've dumped their woes on you, but also that the victim should now forgive them and act like nothing happened. Won't lie, it's kind of nauseating.

Jesus fucking eh Christ that sounds miserable to sit through.

 

[George Lucas]

The major theme of the film is that trauma is a pissing contest and the real reason we should be decent human beings to our family members is because they might have been sad once. The grandmother treats her family like trophies, except the son of hers she exiled, and some of the members treat the young protag like garbage for being born different. Still, all is forgiven because they were only being mean because of trauma. No one's ever bullied someone just for power or fun. So forgive everybody, even the mother who ruined your life for decades by forcing you to live in the walls.

Excuses I've heard usually include "but it's about empathy! When you get context and understand things change!" as though meanness is always from a place of pain and not only will people course-correct once they've dumped their woes on you, but also that the victim should now forgive them and act like nothing happened. Won't lie, it's kind of nauseating.

At least it’s not another racism rant.

 

[NoReturn]

@BangBingBongalo - I'm responding here because 3 DMs to talk consumption is a lot and also I'm not the goddess of interior design (That would be @Vingle).

Spoiler: In here because long

• "Too far" is a matter of individual taste. Even some stuff posted that's fine to others is too much for me and vice versa.
• Stop caring what other people think unless they're people you care about. If you want to get laid, and you also want to have a wall full of Transformers, then you'll only fuck a self-selecting group of women who don't mind a wall full of Transformers.
• If you are this hung up on what is "too much" that you're worried people will mock you, then on some level you probably feel shame already. You have three options here: Post room and let us judge you, fix room to where you're confident in it and don't care what people say, or avoid it all together by just not sharing shit online.

To be honest, being this hung up on "What is consooming too much" is part of why we have this thread in the first place. It's almost like when cows show up telling us to stop talking about them.
Consoomer thread exists to rant about consoomers and mock them. Both because it's horrifying and/or funny, but also because some of us have to deal with them and just want to vent. If you then come in here like "What so wrong about liking [THING]." then you're acting like the people we're venting about. You don't need our approval, but you are so caught up in THING that you see any critique of THING CONSUMPTION as some kind of possible threat.

And for thread content:

Meanwhile, in Japan

 

[Kuchipatchi]

Stop caring what other people

We all have a collections of anime figures, games, toys, etc. But the thing is, if you don't tell us that you have such a collection, you don't need to feel like you're being judged!
You can have a consoomer level collection and still talk here as long as you don't get defensive of criticism to other people or blab about yourself. It's your business and you do what you want, even if we indirectly say that your habits are retarded. If you feel the need to come out about your collection, you're proving us right and you're a faggot for wasting a lot of money on a collection you feel shame for.

TL;DR- Don't be dumb or insecure.

 

[Coolio55]

I'm quite glad that my parents had a healthy dislike of Disney (making it their mission to inform me how evil the company was and how lowbrow Disney stuff was) because it always stuck in my mind and helped me view the company (and other big companies that I loved) with a critical lens.
Make no mistake though, it pissed me off to no end as a child. I was a big fan of stuff like The Lion King, Lilo and Stitch and Kim Possible. (But not Mickey Mouse. He was crap and characterless)
I even got them to take me to Disneyworld and I thought it was the absolute tits but I can't believe that some people orient their entire lives around it.

Especially after letting that Defunctland channel play in the background. The episode about how Walt Disney initially wanted EPCOT to be this city he had complete control over, even down to people's lives, was unnerving. And almost an omen.

Defunctland should totally do an episode on Celebration.

@BangBingBongalo
Meanwhile, in Japan

 

[Sourceress]

The major theme of the film is that trauma is a pissing contest and the real reason we should be decent human beings to our family members is because they might have been sad once. The grandmother treats her family like trophies, except the son of hers she exiled, and some of the members treat the young protag like garbage for being born different. Still, all is forgiven because they were only being mean because of trauma. No one's ever bullied someone just for power or fun. So forgive everybody, even the mother who ruined your life for decades by forcing you to live in the walls.

Excuses I've heard usually include "but it's about empathy! When you get context and understand things change!" as though meanness is always from a place of pain and not only will people course-correct once they've dumped their woes on you, but also that the victim should now forgive them and act like nothing happened. Won't lie, it's kind of nauseating.

It's not about that at all, though. It's about how no one person is the center of the universe and that everyone, no matter how cool their lives look on the outside, has their own pain and struggle that they are dealing with, and how you shouldn't assume that you are the only one who has problems. A huge part of the overall journey of the film is about the main character learning and realizing that everyone, even the most perfect-seeming and special members of her family, experiences struggles and suffering, and that she isn't actually the only person with problems. It's about how you shouldn't assume that just because someone looks like they have a fabulous, perfect life that they don't have shit they're dealing with.

Basically... it is about trauma and empathy, not in a "you should forgive your bully right now because they're going through some shit" kind of way, but in a "you aren't the main character of the video game called Life and you should recognize that other people have problems and suffer just like you do, no matter how awesome their lives look on the outside" kind of way. It's got a nice side of "don't make assumptions about people, you don't know what's going on in their lives." And it's also about how family and community matters, and how people can come together to solve problems and heal wounds that they couldn't do on their own. It's a really positive, healthy message, especially in our incredibly individualistic world.

Also, Bruno wasn't exiled by his mother and forced to live in the walls. He did that by his own choice in order to protect his niece, Mirabel. He was afraid that his family would turn against her if they knew she was in one of his terribad visions of the future (because of the assumptions they made about him and his visions - another way the film shows that making assumptions is bad!), so he fled and lived in the walls so no one would find out about the vision he had. He comes back in the end and all is forgiven because his family has (emotionally) grown enough that he doesn't have to be afraid of the consequences of his visions anymore.

Finally, I'll note that the movie emphatically doesn't end with everyone acting like "nothing happened". The end of the movie is about the family recognizing what they had done wrong in the past, recognizing each others' suffering, and coming together to rebuild stronger with all that they have learned over the course of the film (and their lives). The whole point is that everything happened and they've learned from it and become closer and stronger and better for it.

(Disclaimer: Not a "Disney Person" really, saw Encanto on Christmas because it was free and really liked it.)

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

The 70s and most of the 80s had movies that were, at best, cute and fun.

The Black Cauldron is a pretty odd one for Disney and a bit underated i would say. I think during the dark age they came pretty close to say fuck kids and just experiment with whatever, the fox and the hound was kinda dark too, The best Disney animation momments have always been when they just let shit be edgy and dramatic, Hunchback for example has some amazing dramatic momments, is even surprising they adapted such a dark novel and the art direction is heavy too, they could have gone full force and say fuck kids, fuck family friendly, fuck your happy meals but is Disney so you have to have the whitewashing and stupid talking gargoyles thrown in the mix, they have the talent and artistry but never had the balls. Disney has done a lot to advance animation as a medium at the same time it has done a lot to hold it back.

Btw, Encanto has some really weird morals to it, but try arguing that with a Disney adult. Nightmares.

If someone's whole experience is Disney/pixar then i understand why sheltered pampered kids on the first world would grow up to have a magical view of concepts like multiculturalism and have a whitewashed version on how they think about mexicans, colombians or poor people in general, if only they knew about colombians irl.

 

[whitepumpkin]

The best Disney animation momments have always been when they just let shit be edgy and dramatic, Hunchback for example has some amazing dramatic momments, is even surprising they adapted such a dark novel and the art direction is heavy too, they could have gone full force and say fuck kids, fuck family friendly, fuck your happy meals but is Disney so you have to have the whitewashing and stupid talking gargoyles thrown in the mix, they have the talent and artistry but never had the balls. Disney has done a lot to advance animation as a medium at the same time it has done a lot to hold it back.

I saw Hunchback in theatres when I was clearly *too young* for it (birthday parties lol), but I always remember Quasimodo holding up Esmerelda's body while shouting "Sanctuary" because despite their faults, Disney's art direction is impressive enough for you to remember key scenes. The whole sequence of The Bells of Notre Dame is great too, with the angles, palette, and imagery. Like I said, I can definitely see why someone who is learning animation or appreciates it will rewatch Disney movies. Sort of like how writers will re-read their favourite books. There are definitely things you can take away from them, especially if you want to learn the actual craft and will study scenes.

But then when you go outside the movies and look at Disney as a whole, it does become baffling how people will dedicate themselves to it. Where they "live and breathe" Disney. It's not to learn anything or study film techniques - it's just because it's "Disney". Like even the videos @NoReturn just posted seem like parody. A man walks in a mall to cover his mouth when he sees the Disney Store is closing and then he goes and orders McDonalds. I thought it was satire until he slapped down a giant Minnie doll and I realized, nah, this guy is actually upset about this. Same with the "I wish I had money to burn... just like them." Yeesh.

 

[retard strength]

I'm out of touch, do kids now even like any newer original Disney IPs?

I still see Frozen 2 merchandise everywhere, but the ugly dragon movie they made recently had merch that went to clearance at my store pretty quickly, I can't think of any cartoons they make that is actually watched by kids and not adults. I know Disney owns tons of other studios now, but I'm drawing a blank anything "classic Disney" that's popular with kids and not adults.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

I saw Hunchback in theatres when I was clearly *too young* for it (birthday parties lol), but I always remember Quasimodo holding up Esmerelda's body while shouting "Sanctuary" because despite their faults, Disney's art direction is impressive enough for you to remember key scenes. The whole sequence of The Bells of Notre Dame is great too, with the angles, palette, and imagery. Like I said, I can definitely see why someone who is learning animation or appreciates it will rewatch Disney movies. Sort of like how writers will re-read their favourite books. There are definitely things you can take away from them, especially if you want to learn the actual craft and will study scenes.

But then when you go outside the movies and look at Disney as a whole, it does become baffling how people will dedicate themselves to it. Where they "live and breathe" Disney. It's not to learn anything or study film techniques - it's just because it's "Disney". Like even the videos @NoReturn just posted seem like parody. A man walks in a mall to cover his mouth when he sees the Disney Store is closing and then he goes and orders McDonalds. I thought it was satire until he slapped down a giant Minnie doll and I realized, nah, this guy is actually upset about this. Same with the "I wish I had money to burn... just like them." Yeesh.

Disney's art vision comes across as "harmless but shallow", Always taking the shortcuts for appeal. Glean Keane is probably the most copied artist ever, a lot of popular social media famous artists are just basically copying glenn keane with some anime tiddies sprinkled in and shit instantly works, they milk likes using the same shortcuts for appeal but it always comes across the same, as "harmless but shallow". Is hard to latch onto something thats so scared of being challenging or idiosincratic, is all "wide appeal, for all ages, polished edges, averaged down to the middle". Is easy to understand it being popular but harder to understand an adult taking it so seriously.

 

[minuki nuki]

I'm out of touch, do kids now even like any newer original Disney IPs?

I still see Frozen 2 merchandise everywhere, but the ugly dragon movie they made recently had merch that went to clearance at my store pretty quickly, I can't think of any cartoons they make that is actually watched by kids and not adults. I know Disney owns tons of other studios now, but I'm drawing a blank anything "classic Disney" that's popular with kids and not adults.

Thats actually a really good point, who cares about any of their new IPs? It really goes to show Disney can rehash Marvel and Star Wars properties ad naseum and still make profit. You can't even call Star Wars a good property anymore, there's more shit in the series than anything good. It has Sonic level hit or miss (mostly miss) quality because take out the og trilogy and it's George Lucas fucking around with cg and boring sci-fi movies pandering to the lowest common denominator. They don't need to put effort into innovation anymore if half the population will watch a low effort psuedo-woke Pixar movie just because it's the cool thing to do. When was the last time Pixar made anything particularly interesting... 2010 maybe?