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(iIivVvbBb-iIimMmvVv) said:
I was just there, but Christ-on-a-stick, that Enna checkout hooked me for this song. That girl @Scuttle was made for this one.

Edit: Hearing her actual voice afterwards is so jarring. But, at least she'll do it again.
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I enjoy her kusogaki voice

Diya said:
At least he finally learn to stfu when he doesn't actually know shit. Doesn't stop him from clipping the part himself to show that he's an "insider" though.

I like her voice and I like Enka. Tune in and the first thing she do is to give a long thank you to the fans on Bilibili, then sing a Chinese song. I left.
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She is Chinese or at least her parents seem to be. Maybe she is trying to appeal to the Chinese similar to how Millie has a strong Filipino audience and Nina has a strong Russian crowd. I consider her to be one of the most talented in that generation yet her views/subs are one of the lowest.



35. Kureiji Ollie - $187,871
42. Pavolia Reine - $96,246
50. Anya Melfissa - $50,755
52. Moona Hoshinova - $44,659
53. Airani Iofifteen - $34,058
54. Ayunda Risu - $27,385

36. IRyS - $173,842
37. Ouro Kronii - $161,549
43. Hakos Baelz - $85,862
44. Tsukumo Sana - $85,569
47. Nanashi Mumei - $70,563
48. Ceres Fauna - $70,194

27. Sakamata Chloe - $277,927
33. Kazama Iroha - $201,945
38. Hakui Koyori - $143,866
39. Laplus Darknesss - $135,391
46. Takane Lui - $70,844
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Decided to separate EN2, ID and GEN6. Red is the top earner and green is something that stood out to me.

ID1&2:
Ollie fucking crushed it. She earned in 1 year double what the 2nd place earned. Something interesting is Anya even though people bitch and moan about her sub count, she has the 3rd spot in super chats, and Moona who is almost at 1M subs (highest subs from ID) is lower in super chats than her. We can probably assume that Moona probably outearns her because of memberships though but it's still something interesting. She might not have too many viewers or subs but they are loyal.

EN2:
Irys is the top earner in superchats but she also debuted about 5 weeks before the rest (i know she's not technically EN2 but that's the closest gen to her). Again Sana stood out. She didn't stream for 1 month and her viewers/subscriber numbers really have suffered because of that, but she's 4th spot and $300 away from 3rd. Meanwhile, Mumei which seems to be way more popular is pretty low on the list. Maybe Mumei's audience is younger and doesn't have much money to spend on her. This is just an assumption but I would love to see demographic information for each talent. For 5 months of work, it's pretty impressive.

HoloX:
As I said before. The whale has whales. This is only for 1.5 months of work which is impressive and even the lowest earner is making more than some of EN2. That said Lui is really lagging behind both in earning and in subs/viewers and I'm not really sure why. Maybe it's the model that has the least appealing design?
 
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Azchan said:
I enjoy her kusogaki voice


She is Chinese or at least her parents seem to be. Maybe she is trying to appeal to the Chinese similar to how Millie has a strong Filipino audience and Nina has a strong Russian crowd. I consider her to be one of the most talented in that generation yet her views/subs are one of the lowest.




Decided to separate EN2, ID and GEN6. Red is the top earner and green is something that stood out to me.

ID1&2:
Ollie fucking crushed it. She earned in 1 year double what the 2nd place earned. Something interesting is Anya even though people bitch and moan about her sub count, she has the 3rd spot in super chats, and Moona who is almost at 1M subs (highest subs from ID) is lower in super chats than her. We can probably assume that Moona probably outearns her because of memberships though but it's still something interesting. She might not have too many viewers or subs but they are loyal.

EN2:
Irys is the top earner in superchats but she also debuted about 5 weeks before the rest (i know she's not technically EN2 but that's the closest gen to her). Again Sana stood out. She didn't stream for 1 month and her viewers/subscriber numbers really have suffered because of that, but she's 4th spot and $300 away from 3rd. Meanwhile, Mumei which seems to be way more popular is pretty low on the list. Maybe Mumei's audience is younger and doesn't have much money to spend on her. This is just an assumption but I would love to see demographic information for each talent. For 5 months of work, it's pretty impressive.

HoloX:
As I said before. The whale has whales. This is only for 1.5 months of work which is impressive and even the lowest earner is making more than some of EN2. That said Lui is really lagging behind both in earning and in subs/viewers and I'm not really sure why. Maybe it's the model that has the least appealing design?
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For holox its less than a month really.
 
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That said Lui is really lagging behind both in earning and in subs/viewers and I'm not really sure why. Maybe it's the model that has the least appealing design?
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Her model just doesn't scream "OMG CUTE MUST BULLY BY SENDING SC", and her hag enegy radiate through her mannerism. That said, it isn't like her number is bad at all. HoloX is a resounding success, and Lui will probably cultivate loyal, if not exactly explosively growing. fanbase from now on.

Still, I'm a bit surprise that Mumei is the one on the fifth spot of EN2. With how this thread and twitter shilling her all the time, I would expect her to be just behind Kronii.
 
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Azchan said:
Maybe it's [Lui's] model that has the least appealing design?
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I always think it's a boy at first glance. Then the titties start swinging. The hairdo on the new version is way more girly. Corseted, too. Fixed.

The way the mouth hangs open all the time is weird.

Her voice might be unappealing to JP tuber fans. Not kawaii. As a crappy understander of Japanese, she's easier for me to follow than the anime-voice girls are. I'd guess that means she sounds slow and depressed to native speakers, like Kronii does to us.

Unique character, very likeable. I'm surprised how far behind the rest she is.
 
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Come on man, credit the artist. We're Kiwi Farms, we're supposed to be autistic about this stuff.
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Sorry about the inconvenience. Have a closer look, please:

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If the artist signs their work, I consider that good enough. I don't post direct links every single time, because a lot of picture sites have NSFW stuff that requires a login to view ( I can't assume everyone has credentials to every site I find stuff on... *ahem Instagram, a.k.a. Login Satan* ...or if it's on some extremely NSFW site, I won't link directly to that for obvious reasons. Not everything is on Twitter, and I don't want people clicking on shit they might not want in their browser history). I don't want to do that to people, especially when it's only a Google Image Search away. Or, you know, just look at the file name.

Hint: If you hover your cursor over the picture, it will show the file name. I always label the file with the artist's name. If you don't bother Googling the artist's name, you don't care enough.

Another thing is accuracy. The artist's professional name can vary by site. I try to use the name that is most commonly used by them, if I can identify it. You posted the Twitter handle 'Anonamos_701', which is super cool of you. But if you look up 'Advarcher', you find this: their professional ArtStation page, which is a treasure trove of all the works that they do not post on Twitter. You would also find that particular name on their Pixiv page, with some other stuff not found elsewhere.

I have an art degree (that I'm not using, except for the occasional shitty PhotoShop edit which I sometimes apologize for in advance), so I actually do care about artist rights, believe it or not. I will usually post a direct link if the artist is unknown or cannot be identified and I manage to find it posted somewhere anyways. That's pretty rare, though.

Optional, take with huge grain of Ame salt: I do recommend that if you find an artist you like, follow them on Twitter (literally the only time I will tell someone to contract that particular disease on purpose. Use a burner account). You will usually be suggested similar artists that you will also like, or that artist will frequently retweet stuff they personally like, which will also be the sort of stuff that you like. This is how I discover 50% of the pictures I leave here.

Turns out I am a bit autistic about this, so....autism stickers or whatever down below I guess, woohoo (Come on, Canine with Teeth, now's your change to shine!)
 
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Diya said:
That said, I'm a bit surprise that Mumei in the one on the fifth spot of EN2. With how this thread and twitter shilling her all the time, I would expect her to be just behind Kronii.
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Mumei has the same issue as Gura: Memes mostly attract casual viewers, so her engagement per fan is rather low. However Mumei has 0.5m subscribers, Gura has 3.71m (blame the algorithm).

Frankly the lower ranks are easy to explain, the ones that defy classification are the top ten. I cannot name a trait in common between them that would explain their earnings.
masterstocking said:
Sorry about the inconvenience. Have a closer look, please:

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If the artist signs their work, I consider that good enough. I don't post direct links every single time, because a lot of picture sites have NSFW stuff that requires a login to view ( I can't assume everyone has credentials to every site I find stuff on... *ahem Instagram, a.k.a. Login Satan* ...or if it's on some extremely NSFW site, I won't link directly to that for obvious reasons. Not everything is on Twitter, and I don't want people clicking on shit they might not want in their browser history). I don't want to do that to people, especially when it's only a Google Image Search away. Or, you know, just look at the file name.

Hint: If you hover your cursor over the picture, it will show the file name. I always label the file with the artist's name. If you don't bother Googling the artist's name, you don't care enough.

Another thing is accuracy. The artist's professional name can vary by site. I try to use the name that is most commonly used by them, if I can identify it. You posted the Twitter handle 'Anonamos_701', which is super cool of you. But if you look up 'Advarcher', you find this: their professional ArtStation page, which is a treasure trove of all the works that they do not post on Twitter. You would also find that particular name on their Pixiv page, with some other stuff not found elsewhere.

I have an art degree (that I'm not using, except for the occasional shitty PhotoShop edit which I sometimes apologize for in advance), so I actually do care about artist rights, believe it or not. I will usually post a direct link if the artist is unknown or cannot be identified and I manage to find it posted somewhere anyways. That's pretty rare, though.

Optional, take with huge grain of Ame salt: I do recommend that if you find an artist you like, follow them on Twitter (literally the only time I will tell someone to contract that particular disease on purpose. Use a burner account). You will usually be suggested similar artists that you will also like, or that artist will frequently retweet stuff they personally like, which will also be the sort of stuff that you like. This is how I discover 50% of the pictures I leave here.

Turns out I am a bit autistic about this, so....autism stickers or whatever down below I guess, woohoo (Come on, Canine with Teeth, now's your change to shine!)
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Aye, fair enough. Guess I'm a dumbass for not looking properly.
 
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Diya said:
Her model just doesn't scream "OMG CUTE MUST BULLY BY SENDING SC", and her hag enegy radiate through her mannerism. That said, it isn't like her number is bad at all. HoloX is a resounding success, and Lui will probably cultivate loyal, if not exactly explosively growing. fanbase from now on.

That said, I'm a bit surprise that Mumei in the one on the fifth spot of EN2. With how this thread and twitter shilling her all the time, I would expect her to be just behind Kronii.
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Yeah given how many people seem to lose their shit over Mumei I thought she would be the top of her gen. I feel like she attracts a younger audience like Gura. The same audience which doesn't have a credit card or the means to drop super chats. This is all speculation but it would be nice if you could see their demographic information.

trailcamwhore said:
I always think it's a boy at first glance. Then the titties start swinging. The hairdo on the new version is way more girly. Corseted, too. Fixed.

The way the mouth hangs open all the time is weird.

Her voice might be unappealing to JP tuber fans. Not kawaii. As a crappy understander of Japanese, she's easier for me to follow than the anime-voice girls are. I'd guess that means she sounds slow and depressed to native speakers, like Kronii does to us.

Unique character, very likeable. I'm surprised how far behind the rest she is.
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They really need to fix her open mouth. I guess the japanese eat up the cutesy shit.

Blatant hypocrite said:
Frankly the lower ranks are easy to explain, the ones that defy classification are the top ten. I cannot name a trait in common between them that would explain their earnings.
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1. Uruha Rushia - $1,687,348
2. Kiryu Coco - $1,489,485
3. Yukihana Lamy - $992,666
4. Usada Pekora - $908,973
5. Amane Kanata - $901,033
6. Houshou Marine - $881,214
7. Mori Calliope - $854,824
8. Momosuzu Nene - $740,342
9. Takanashi Kiara - $721,452
10. Tsunomaki Watame - $653,451

Pekora, Marine, Rushia are in the top 10 hours watched.
Kiara, Lamy, Rushiam Watame, Pekora have the top 10 longest streams (guessing super chat readings come into play which usually motivates people to donate)
Kiara and Callie have a decently sized JP following because in part they speak a bit of Japanese

Never really understood Coco's hype, I found her content to be mediocre even though I understand her importance to the company as a whole. Her graduation stream broke the metrics though. The ones on the list I don't really get are Nene and Kanata. Nene is a fucking dork and I love her but I didn't expect her to be so high on the list. Kanata interacts with chat probably the most out of all of the other girls I have seen but I also didn't expect her to be so high on the list.



Astel beat Jump King
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From Pippa's earlier stream with Tenma.
 
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masterstocking said:
Sorry about the inconvenience. Have a closer look, please:

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If the artist signs their work, I consider that good enough. I don't post direct links every single time, because a lot of picture sites have NSFW stuff that requires a login to view ( I can't assume everyone has credentials to every site I find stuff on... *ahem Instagram, a.k.a. Login Satan* ...or if it's on some extremely NSFW site, I won't link directly to that for obvious reasons. Not everything is on Twitter, and I don't want people clicking on shit they might not want in their browser history). I don't want to do that to people, especially when it's only a Google Image Search away. Or, you know, just look at the file name.

Hint: If you hover your cursor over the picture, it will show the file name. I always label the file with the artist's name. If you don't bother Googling the artist's name, you don't care enough.

Another thing is accuracy. The artist's professional name can vary by site. I try to use the name that is most commonly used by them, if I can identify it. You posted the Twitter handle 'Anonamos_701', which is super cool of you. But if you look up 'Advarcher', you find this: their professional ArtStation page, which is a treasure trove of all the works that they do not post on Twitter. You would also find that particular name on their Pixiv page, with some other stuff not found elsewhere.

I have an art degree (that I'm not using, except for the occasional shitty PhotoShop edit which I sometimes apologize for in advance), so I actually do care about artist rights, believe it or not. I will usually post a direct link if the artist is unknown or cannot be identified and I manage to find it posted somewhere anyways. That's pretty rare, though.

Optional, take with huge grain of Ame salt: I do recommend that if you find an artist you like, follow them on Twitter (literally the only time I will tell someone to contract that particular disease on purpose. Use a burner account). You will usually be suggested similar artists that you will also like, or that artist will frequently retweet stuff they personally like, which will also be the sort of stuff that you like. This is how I discover 50% of the pictures I leave here.

Turns out I am a bit autistic about this, so....autism stickers or whatever down below I guess, woohoo (Come on, Canine with Teeth, now's your change to shine!)
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I'll add to this since sharing information is fun.
Add whatever image you want, url or image into -> iqdb.org/
Links to 4 different sites if the front side of the site doesn't find a match.
-saucenao
-google images
-ascii2d <-- great for finding twitter posts
-TinEye

And Yandex image search if the above fails.

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I always look forward to the end of the year numbers on streams, superchats and such. It's always nice to have a big picture perspective of the year. Especially if you compare the 2020 earnings against 2021 and the other years.

Edit - Coco and Kson together account for around 1.978million USD, still on top of the world.
 
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Azchan said:
1. Uruha Rushia - $1,687,348
2. Kiryu Coco - $1,489,485
3. Yukihana Lamy - $992,666
4. Usada Pekora - $908,973
5. Amane Kanata - $901,033
6. Houshou Marine - $881,214
7. Mori Calliope - $854,824
8. Momosuzu Nene - $740,342
9. Takanashi Kiara - $721,452
10. Tsunomaki Watame - $653,451

Pekora, Marine, Rushia are in the top 10 hours watched.
Kiara, Lamy, Rushiam Watame, Pekora have the top 10 longest streams (guessing super chat readings come into play which usually motivates people to donate)
Kiara and Callie have a decently sized JP following because in part they speak a bit of Japanese
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Still amazes me that Rushia makes that much. Perhaps now that Coco's gone the gap between Rushia and contenders can only grow.
 
Omegaα's mama drew some art of him for his birthday:
https://twitter.com/fuzichoco/status/1477082280133021696
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He was very thankful (I think this might of been the first time he's ever used exclamation points?)
https://twitter.com/omegaalpha_en/status/1477091492724641792
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Omegaα tweeted something during the EN new years relay about when exactly his birthday technically was, and that prompted /vt/ to immediately conjure up a rrat about how his debut would be the surprise at the end of the relay.

Speaking of rrats, you could probably make one about how he reweeted hololive production's new english audition two days in a row. ( 1 , 2 ) Oh, and it doesn't seem like he had anything to do with IRyS's new song's music video.
 
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Azchan said:
Yeah given how many people seem to lose their shit over Mumei I thought she would be the top of her gen. I feel like she attracts a younger audience like Gura. The same audience which doesn't have a credit card or the means to drop super chats. This is all speculation but it would be nice if you could see their demographic information.


They really need to fix her open mouth. I guess the japanese eat up the cutesy shit.




1. Uruha Rushia - $1,687,348
2. Kiryu Coco - $1,489,485
3. Yukihana Lamy - $992,666
4. Usada Pekora - $908,973
5. Amane Kanata - $901,033
6. Houshou Marine - $881,214
7. Mori Calliope - $854,824
8. Momosuzu Nene - $740,342
9. Takanashi Kiara - $721,452
10. Tsunomaki Watame - $653,451

Pekora, Marine, Rushia are in the top 10 hours watched.
Kiara, Lamy, Rushiam Watame, Pekora have the top 10 longest streams (guessing super chat readings come into play which usually motivates people to donate)
Kiara and Callie have a decently sized JP following because in part they speak a bit of Japanese

Never really understood Coco's hype, I found her content to be mediocre even though I understand her importance to the company as a whole. Her graduation stream broke the metrics though. The ones on the list I don't really get are Nene and Kanata. Nene is a fucking dork and I love her but I didn't expect her to be so high on the list. Kanata interacts with chat probably the most out of all of the other girls I have seen but I also didn't expect her to be so high on the list.



Astel beat Jump King
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From Pippa's earlier stream with Tenma.
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Pekora doesn't really read that much of superchat. Most of her stream is about the game she play.

Basically her stream is like this.
Bun bun cha - > Talk about some stuff that happens to her/some random talk - > Poem - > Gameplay - > 1st End Screen - >Talk stream - > True End.
 
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Azchan said:
Decided to separate EN2, ID and GEN6. Red is the top earner and green is something that stood out to me.

ID1&2:
Ollie fucking crushed it. She earned in 1 year double what the 2nd place earned. Something interesting is Anya even though people bitch and moan about her sub count, she has the 3rd spot in super chats, and Moona who is almost at 1M subs (highest subs from ID) is lower in super chats than her. We can probably assume that Moona probably outearns her because of memberships though but it's still something interesting. She might not have too many viewers or subs but they are loyal.

EN2:
Irys is the top earner in superchats but she also debuted about 5 weeks before the rest (i know she's not technically EN2 but that's the closest gen to her). Again Sana stood out. She didn't stream for 1 month and her viewers/subscriber numbers really have suffered because of that, but she's 4th spot and $300 away from 3rd. Meanwhile, Mumei which seems to be way more popular is pretty low on the list. Maybe Mumei's audience is younger and doesn't have much money to spend on her. This is just an assumption but I would love to see demographic information for each talent. For 5 months of work, it's pretty impressive.

HoloX:
As I said before. The whale has whales. This is only for 1.5 months of work which is impressive and even the lowest earner is making more than some of EN2. That said Lui is really lagging behind both in earning and in subs/viewers and I'm not really sure why. Maybe it's the model that has the least appealing design?
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My thoughts:
- Reminder (for those who were using their brain space for more important things) that the IDs also use Streamelements and in late November gained a payment platform that allowed donations directly in IDR, so SCs alone don't account for all of their SC-type earnings.
- Also surprised by Mumei but nothing to add to points raised.
- For Lui, agreed with most posts. One other theory that was raised before was JP xenophobia (she has all but outright stated at various points that she's hafu, even without going into her past life). I think it's plausible, but to believe it I'd have to see what JP antis are saying and I don't know where to look even if I could read moonrunes and wanted more brain damage.
- Iroha being second in HoloX surprised me, because she had the only halfway normal debut and her on-stream presence isn't weaponised like Sakamata's is. But in hindsight her specific combination of skills and her personality are fairly unique within Hololive. Lasting a month and counting as "The Last Seiso" is worth something.

@SmugPeko did anon cut off the Niji numbers at 60? Would be nice to see Ethyria and Luxiem's numbers.
 
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