General transgender discussion thread - Take the tranny related debates here.

Trooning out is a display of illness and usually either narcissism or autism. Without powerleveling, I have a very personal and MATI issue with men insisting themselves upon spaces for women.

If a schizophrenic walks into a psychiatrist's office and tells the doctor "Xenu is communicating with me, and I need a satellite built inside my asshole to better understand him", the doctor does not say "Alright, let's get that satellite built."

Yet for a man claiming he has a femoid brain and therefore needs his cock mutiliated into a festering wound can obtain drugs from planned parenthood within a day. But also it isn't a mental disorder... yet should be paid for treatment... but also can be non-dysphoria based- but still should be paid for. It's a complete clusterfuck I'm completely lost on, measured by some subjective happiness level bullshit as "evidence" this approach works.

Trannies are the only people I can say I unilaterally distrust the motivations and purposes of.
 
Right, that's what I have an issue with, because it feels like there's a doublespeak going on. Being trans is both a state where that people are experiencing the symptoms of psychiatric disorder, that they need help from society to correct, but is also an identity, where the individual know their own body and mind best ( like a gay man or lesbian knows their own mind). But the distress is internal and inherent to the trans identity, where it's not in other identities. Somehow the mishmash of these two positions ends up producing a moral statement that it is denying a person's identity to suggest treatments other than transitioning. Like people are saying, it's the one case in society where somehow we believe that the patient is entirely qualified to treat themselves, and suggest their own medical interventions.

@Shturman, I am still skeptical that medical transitioning should be considered a good solution to gender dysphoria, but at least in your case you pursued it through medical consultation. Then the issue becomes more about whether or not the psychiatric industry is providing good treatment. But it's absurd to say that trans people are best position to know what is good for them, when we would actually not accept this logic for any other psychiatric disorder producing the same level of distress. It can't both be something that needs to be corrected, and something inherent that doesn't need to change it all.
I'm neither qualified nor educated enough to give you an answer on this dilemma; all I can really do is offer up my experiences and perspective as a trans person for speculation if asked. Psychological evaluations and therapy should always be the first step on account that GID could be a symptom of an underlying issue, and medical intervention should never be taken without considerable consideration on both the psychologist and the patient. That being said, once again, GID and transgenderism is no longer a considered a disorder, so technically it's been in diagnostics limbo, which is why it's causing such weird grey zones and contradictions.
 
Yet for a man claiming he has a femoid brain and therefore needs his cock mutiliated into a festering wound can obtain drugs from planned parenthood within a day. But also it isn't a mental disorder... yet should be paid for treatment... but also can be non-dysphoria based- but still should be paid for. It's a complete clusterfuck I'm completely lost on, measured by some subjective happiness level bullshit as "evidence" this approach works.

This touches on another thing I was thinking about today. Trans activism today states that gender expression is not the same thing is gender identity. This feels to me like a deflection, because of the obvious cultural rather than biological nature of social roles, which undermines the "born this way" narrative. But that begs the question: Absent gender presentation and gender roles, what is gender identity? Where does it reside, and what constitutes it?

Sexual orientation has clear definitions for all its categories that don't rely on self reference. You don't need to talk about homosexuality to describe heterosexuality, and you don't need to reference sexual orientation as a concept when giving a definition. A heterosexual is someone who is sexually attracted to members of the opposite sex. Even if heterosexuality was all that existed it would still be coherent as a definition.

But with the gender identity that's not the case. If you don't make reference to gender roles when describing trans individuals, which trans activists seemingly don't want us to do, you're stuck with the definition that becomes tautological. To be "trans" is to have a gender identity mismatched to one's biological sex. And how do we know that a person's gender identity is mismatched? Well, because they are "trans"! There's no criteria for how you would go about externally determining if someone is trans by observing them. There is also no set of behaviors or indicators that would indicate someone is cis. . Being cis is defined entirely by not being trans. Even gender dysphoria isn't enough to declare that someone is definitely cis right now, and gender dysphoria itself can only be defined through the definition of being trans again.

Ultimately I'm stuck with the idea that if you approach the phenomenon empirically, there is no mechanism by which you could determine whether or not gender identity exists. The definitions that people give are deliberately vague and work to prevent falsifiability.
 
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Ultimately I'm stuck with the idea that if you approach the phenomenon empirically, there is no mechanism by which you could determine whether or not gender identity exists. The definitions that people give are deliberately vague and work to prevent falsifiability.
I don't think it works under rationalism (conceptually) either, to complete the yin and yang here.

Philosophically you cannot combine gnostic dualism* (the belief the body is a prison and the "real me" is beyond it, meaning the body doesn't matter), with a materialist outlook that the body must be altered to be "the real one" or correct gender in this case.

I don't believe anyone can accurately capture what it truly means feelings-wise to "be a man" or "be a woman". That's to say without relating to their sex organs, body, experiences, ect. There is no internal measurement of either without looking into social expectations and experiences. So to hear a transgender person describe themselves as "internally, I am a man/woman" always sounds farcical.

Troonism simply depends on unravelling so much we're left with almost no meaning at all. We have to go ridiculously far backward into questions of "what is form?" As you said, it's an intentional usage of spaghetti code.

*Gnostic dualism was proposed by Satan to Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:4. Interesting coincidence, but not my overall point.
 
I don't think it works under rationalism (conceptually) either, to complete the yin and yang here.

Philosophically you cannot combine gnostic dualism* (the belief the body is a prison and the "real me" is beyond it, meaning the body doesn't matter), with a materialist outlook that the body must be altered to be "the real one" or correct gender in this case.

I don't believe anyone can accurately capture what it truly means feelings-wise to "be a man" or "be a woman". That's to say without relating to their sex organs, body, experiences, ect. There is no internal measurement of either without looking into social expectations and experiences. So to hear a transgender person describe themselves as "internally, I am a man/woman" always sounds farcical.

Troonism simply depends on unravelling so much we're left with almost no meaning at all. We have to go ridiculously far backward into questions of "what is form?" As you said, it's an intentional usage of spaghetti code.

*Gnostic dualism was proposed by Satan to Adam and Eve in Genesis 3:4. Interesting coincidence, but not my overall point.

This is where the trans movement is really losing itself with overreach.

Again, trying to be a charitable as possible, if someone were to tell me that they have an obsessive disorder to present as the opposite sex, flouting normal social convention, I would say "okay". Maybe there's better treatments for it, but in terms of harm, a dude wearing a dress, or a woman dressing as a man, is either minimal or non-existent. Some people might be uncomfortable for a while, but styles change all the time and people would get used to it being a possibility. Given what we know of obsessive disorders already, the idea that someone could develop one related to gender presentation makes sense. There are plenty of obsessive compulsive issues the operate on a social/interactive level, so it's inline with the other diagnoses of the kind. Though I would note here, presenting as the opposite gender would really be a coping strategy more than it would be a cure, but people playing with gender presentation is a big part of the gay community, so for me, it's no big deal.

(Also, as a side note, if you look at the few studies that have been done on Body Dysmorphic disorders, suicidal ideation is at 80%, and attempts are at 25-30%, so the idea that suicidal distress is somehow unique to trans experiences is incorrect. If anything, it seems like it makes it more likely that gender dysphoria is a subtype of BDD.)

This is my personal opinion on it, it's not necessarily the right one, but I'm coming at it from trying to be as accommodating as possible to difference when there's no harm to it.

But obviously, the problem then becomes that framing it as a disability disempowers the trans person from making their own choices (especially in regards to invasive surgeries), or at the very least puts in place the possibility of gatekeeping, which many trans activists seemingly want to avoid. It also implies that this is an accommodation society is doing, and hence could be subject to reasonable limits, like limiting access to women's spaces. And yeah I think "philosophical spaghetti code" is the best way to describe it, because you having laid out this way, they are essentially claiming the existence of some sort of soul or a separate inner self. But if they were come out and state that, then that's staking ground on a claim more in the line of spirituality than science, which would make their claim of uncontestable truth impossible to maintain. So they have imply that interpretation, while never committing to it.

I don't know if anybody watched the Philosophytube (British dude who explains basic philosophy concepts, often poorly in my opinion) video on transphobia, but I remember someone linked it to me, and it was really sloppy in the way a lot of this argumentation is. He was making the argument that trans people are placed in an impossible situation of having to argue their own existence, which isn't correct. I am not denying that a trans person is experiencing distress from their self perceived mismatch, I am saying that the meaning of that distress (and from that, the best course of action to alleviate it) are not what the trans person claims. In the same way I do not deny the existence of a schizophrenic person, even if I deny that the voices they claim to hear are actually separate entities communicating to them.

So yeah, in a way it seems like the trans community (or rather trans activists) is trying to do a run around the concept of truth to avoid having to actually argue about how to interpret their experiences.
 
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I dont understand why you cant be masculine or feminine as you please but still be your birth gender. There are drag queens and butch lesbos who never consider transition. Why do you gotta be special?
Parental and societal expectations, I think, are the biggest things here. People (especially parents, and school, and well - life as a whole) expect you to be a certain way, especially in certain cultures and regions of certain countries.

If we look at everyone who troons out, at least on the MTF side, most of them aren't very 'manly' at all (they're basically 'femboys' or whatever, more or less androgynous/pseudo-butch or something, I don't really know how to explain this well), and this tends to end up being something heavily ridiculed from many. Perhaps parents expect their children to go into father's trade or something, or be into X or Y interests that are more inline with the norm. Stray aside that into more nerd territory, perhaps lacking skills traditionally associated with males like strength/leadership/dominance/being able to put parts together without a manual, if at all, place a bunch of societal stress on the individual in question for not conforming to the expectations they were brought up to feel like they needed to achieve to be a real man, and they may ultimately troon out.

This goes also to explain why Nintendo and Sega fans are more likely to troon out, as well as anime fans: they're seen as unmanly, weird, abnormal by people around them who are of the more ordinary kind, at least by usual standards (particularly in European countries and especially in places like the UK - outside Birmingham that is, Scandinavia and Eastern Europe). Since they're also more prone to not having 'grown up' to be 'real men' or 'hard/mature' people but instead end up being often 'rather dependent' people with weird tastes and kinda mentally backwards trooning out becomes something akin to using a blob of Blu-Tack to stick something down instead of doing it properly, it will eventually show its true side and collapse into pieces once more, making the problem worse than when it originally started.

Oh, also, there's the case of people who just aren't mentally stable enough to work, or have the mental thought process unchanged since they were a child (or otherwise any mental development just seems like a 'post-glued layer on top of their child self'), that seems fairly common too.
 
Posting this here from another thread:

Biological markers of sex include:

  1. Chromosomes – Types of chromosomal expression.
  2. Gonads – Organs that produce gametes (testes or ovaries).
  3. Hormones –Types and level of hormone secretion, which vary within and across the sexes.
  4. Secondary Sex Characteristics – Features that appear during puberty, but are not involved with reproduction.
  5. External Genitalia – Genitals visible outside the body.
  6. Internal Genitalia – Genitals present within the body.
  7. Skeletal Structure – Sex differences may be seen in the pelvis, jaw bone, brow, and limb length and thickness.
  8. Gene Expression –Levels and types of gene expression. Genes dictate the proteins made by the body. Known genes that impact sex include DMRT1, SRY (produces Testis-Determining Factor), and Foxl 2.
  9. Brain Structure – Brain structure characteristics (including the ratio of white matter to grey matter) and brain activation patterns vary by sex.
  10. Hormone Receptor Sensitivity – The response to sex hormones can vary, depending on receptor sensitivity. Some individuals may be partially or completely insensitive to hormones, negating their effect.

This is on the surface correct. What we define as "sex" is a combination of traits that follows a strong bimodal distribution. Intersex people can have the genitals and external sex characteristics of one gender, but the chromosomes of another, due to things like hormone sensitivity. These conditions are rare, but they do exist. But they relate closely to the understood biological processes that generate human phenotypes.

Brain structure is different though, and it gets slipped in to obfuscate how much the current science here differs from all the other listed markers. So far no one has ever been able to conclusively determine a typical male or female brain structure. The only major differences in structure, relating to grey and white matter distribution, and things like connections between hemispheres, seem to relate much more to size than they do to gender. Women's heads are on average 11% or so smaller than men, and if you look at men and women with comparable braincase sizes, the brains look very similar to almost identical.

Then there is brain activation patterns, which are strongly affected by things like social conditioning and culture. Brain activation patterns form literally from a feedback loop with behavior and external stimulus; you can't look at them as a potential source of gender identity because it's not a stable system. There is an obvious chicken and egg problem with looking at brain activation to claim the validity of a trans identity, because trans identification precedes it. No one has been able to conclusively scan a person's brain and say that they will be trans, merely that trans people who already live a trans lifestyle seem to display altered brain patterns. What's more, the patterns that people find when they do brain activation studies that find significant differences for trans people are pretty telling.

The study from 2018 that that page quotes used what has been identified as one of the few mammalian pheromones, androstadienone, as a trigger for brain activations.* It is found specifically in the body secretions of men. So finding that trans identified post-pubertal youths (the sample group) reacted to it atypically for their sex isn't surprising, because the most obvious conclusion is simply that the children are gay. (Gay men and lesbians have been shown to have altered brain activation maps as well, relating to sexual stimulation). This is especially true when you consider the fact that almost all trans individuals who report gender dysphoria early in their lives are attracted to their birth sex. This is verses in particular trans women who report sudden gender dysphoria late in life, are almost always attracted to women (Insert obvious AGP conclusion here).

People who have paraphilias or obsessive-compulsive disorders also show altered brain activation patterns. So simply showing differences between a normal brain and a trans brain is meaningless. It's impossible to use brain patterns as proof of some sort of intersex status of the brain, at least currently. There is just no foundation to the idea of a sex differentiated brain as a source of gender identity, especially independent of sexual orientation.

What's more, if this was ever proven to be the case, then it would imply that we should be gatekeeping people, and that an MRI should be a prerequisite for any sort of SRS or hormone treatments. Because then we could identify a causal mechanism, leading to a clear diagnosis of an intersex disorder. It still wouldn't make them equivalent to their cis counterparts, but there would at least be a logic to it. So the only argument that I have seen that tries to posit some sort of determinative biological origin for trans status would imply that we should be gatekeeping much more, not removing barriers, as a precautionary principle until the science gets better.



*Even other studies by the same authors as the 2018 study notes that these patterns only start appearing at adolescence. Scans of prepubertal children's brains don't show any difference in structure between boys and girls, trans or cis. So it's not innate, and in particular the idea of trans children delaying puberty makes 0 sense given the current state of brain science in this area.
 
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Hello. Apologies if this is not the correct place to ask, but does anyone have a dossier or other sort of collation on the general invalidity and degeneracy of transgenderism? I've been thinking of making one to have my thoughts on the matter organized (and substantiated through evidence if necessary), but maybe such a thing already exists. Essentially a collection of evidence against common arguments in support of transgenderism - such as how gender dysphoria and other negative mental outcomes persist even after treatment, the greater incidence of transgenderism in people with preexisting mental disorders, trauma or other vulnerabilities, etc. The whole social phenomena disturbs me greatly on so many fronts, with how people advocate (either actively or through negligence) for the hormonal and physical mutilation of vulnerable people, with this advocacy spreading further and becoming more accepted. Against what's becoming such a society level belief I feel I need all the objective knowledge I can get.

I realize some autistic dossier being out there already is probably unlikely, so can anyone think of more general arguments against transgenderism (or counterarguments against common pro-trans talking points) which I can use to springboard my readings? Some others I can think of from the top of my head are the irreversible harm to minors who are especially vulnerable in many dimensions, how male trannies use their delusion to enter into and violate women's spaces, the profitability of transgenders in the medical sector, the erosion of the sex/gender distinction, disparity in treatment when compared against other mental disorders, the disproportionate allocation of medical resources to transgenderism as opposed to life threatening conditions (with focus on SRS) ... etc etc etc. Thanks lads.
 
Hello. Apologies if this is not the correct place to ask, but does anyone have a dossier or other sort of collation on the general invalidity and degeneracy of transgenderism? I've been thinking of making one to have my thoughts on the matter organized (and substantiated through evidence if necessary), but maybe such a thing already exists. Essentially a collection of evidence against common arguments in support of transgenderism - such as how gender dysphoria and other negative mental outcomes persist even after treatment, the greater incidence of transgenderism in people with preexisting mental disorders, trauma or other vulnerabilities, etc. The whole social phenomena disturbs me greatly on so many fronts, with how people advocate (either actively or through negligence) for the hormonal and physical mutilation of vulnerable people, with this advocacy spreading further and becoming more accepted. Against what's becoming such a society level belief I feel I need all the objective knowledge I can get.

I realize some autistic dossier being out there already is probably unlikely, so can anyone think of more general arguments against transgenderism (or counterarguments against common pro-trans talking points) which I can use to springboard my readings? Some others I can think of from the top of my head are the irreversible harm to minors who are especially vulnerable in many dimensions, how male trannies use their delusion to enter into and violate women's spaces, the profitability of transgenders in the medical sector, the erosion of the sex/gender distinction, disparity in treatment when compared against other mental disorders, the disproportionate allocation of medical resources to transgenderism as opposed to life threatening conditions (with focus on SRS) ... etc etc etc. Thanks lads.

Gender dysphoria is not one thing

This isn't directly related to the "degeneracy", but I think it does do a good job of acting as a base of knowledge for the different types of trans gender identities that occur, and how they relate to very different things depending on how they present. This is by the same man who came up with the autogynephilic hypothesis. It's worth noting that he is actually quite sympathetic to AGP sufferers, since a paraphilia, once in place, is very hard if not impossible to get rid of. But the fact it is a paraphilia and all, and that paraphilias can tend to cluster in people, I think is a reason to be concerned when it comes to giving trans people free access to women's spaces, particularly in those cases where the AGP sufferer has demonstrated other, much more dangerous paraphilias or behaviours in the past. I think it's pretty interesting that trans activists are so hostile to Blanchard, when he is actually not opposed to transitioning or referring to trans people by their preferred gender. All he is doing is coming at it from a clinical perspective, to identify the actual causal mechanisms to the disorder and the distress it causes. But because he questions the narrative of "woman trapped in man's body" at all, he is vilified. It's one of the ways that trans activism is actually very antiscience currently.

The other part that's really good is where discusses Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria, particularly as it relates to girls.

We believe that ROGD is a socially contagious phenomenon in which a young person–typically a natal female–comes to believe that she has a condition that she does not have. ROGD is not about discovering gender dysphoria that was there all along; rather, it is about falsely coming to believe that one’s problems have been due to gender dysphoria previously hidden (from the self and others). Let us be clear: People with ROGD do have a kind of gender dysphoria, but it is gender dysphoria due to persuasion of those especially vulnerable to a false idea. It is not gender dysphoria due to anything like having the mind/brain of one sex trapped in the body of the other. Those with ROGD do, of course, wish to gender transition, and they often obsess over this prospect.

Overall though I like this article because it lays out the potential neurological and sociological origins of gender dysphoria and transgender identities. It is unquestioned that there are people who experience distress because of a self perceived mismatch between their natal sex and a self-concept they have. The problem is claiming this perception is indicative of some sort of dualist mismatch between the body and mind/soul. Instead, it should be understood that what being trans is, is a combination of different mental disorders grouped together under one label. The potential treatment modes for each of them is different. The biggest problem is that currently, it really is almost a literal case of the inmates running the asylum. You would not expect a schizophrenic or an OCD sufferer to prescribe their own treatment, but that is what is basically happening with trans medicine right now. Any sort of gatekeeping is being attacked as transphobic.

It also doesn't remove the risk that AGP sufferers present AS MEN, to women in many spaces. Trans women commit sex crimes at about the same rate as men, which means that while most of them probably won't, enough do that there is a marked difference between the genders here. If you would not want men in a woman's change room, I don't think you should want trans women there either, especially not in the cases where the trans woman has demonstrated violent or obsessive behaviors towards women in the past.
 
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I often wonder if, in the United States at least, the psych community's refusal to frame gender dysphoria as a mental disorder is an overcorrection for pathologizing homosexuality in previous DSMs. I imagine that by the time things started going off the rails, it would have been too late to backtrack on it.

Alot of rhetoric you see is about "being on the right side of history this time" so almost certainly. Its an overcorrection that has ends with nonsense.

Same has happened in other fields:

History: Historians ignored everyday society, poor people, and minorities in favor of grand political narratives. Now we have people who actively hate political and military history out of spite and anachronistically declare people in the past to be trans.

Genetics and Medicine: Scientists took genetics as gospel and then went too far into genetics. Now we have Neo-Lysenkoism, a near complete rejection of genetics. Its even racist to point out basic differences like African-Americans being more likely to get sickle cell syndrome and having tougher skin.
 
This is on the surface correct. What we define as "sex" is a combination of traits that follows a strong bimodal distribution. Intersex people can have the genitals and external sex characteristics of one gender, but the chromosomes of another, due to things like hormone sensitivity. These conditions are rare, but they do exist. But they relate closely to the understood biological processes that generate human phenotypes.
Not quite. Sex is not defined by those traits. Sex (in mammals, anyway) is defined as one of the two reproductive categories that partake in sexual reproduction.

The traits you describe flow downhill from sex. They are sex based characteristics, either primary or secondary.

With intersex individuals, they have conditions that muddle the presentation of their sex, but the underlying sex is still there, either male or female.

All intersex people are still either male or female. (In fact, DSDs are sex specific. Only males get certain DSDs and only females get certain DSDs, or like with CAH, the symptoms are highly sex specific.)

Sex itself is a binary classification, not bimodal.
 
All intersex people are still either male or female. (In fact, DSDs are sex specific. Only males get certain DSDs and only females get certain DSDs, or like with CAH, the symptoms are highly sex specific.)
There are a very few people who are chimeras with both XX and XY genotypes, because two fraternal twin embryos merged.
 
There are a very few people who are chimeras with both XX and XY genotypes, because two fraternal twin embryos merged.
Certainly, it's extremely rare. Though in that case, no major organ systems are affected to the point where there's a significant debate about the overall sex. Like there's never been a human (or any large mammal, I'm pretty sure) that successfully produces both types of gametes.

It's just shit like finding chunks of their body that have the wrong chromosomes.

As far as I know?
 
That’s not the point. T

ETA: not to sound like an autistic incel, but if we strip human behavior to the very basics we shared with our ancestors that only lives today as a minor byproduct if at all, trannies still don’t fit the bill. Men are genetically wired to be more protective and physically inclined, women are genetically wired to be more nurturing. And to clarify, these don’t have to automatically mean all men must enjoy building fences and all women should enjoy running a kindergarten. Instead these tendencies show up in different variations, because people are fucking complicated. “Protectiveness” can come in the form of a man who enjoys giving food to the homeless, “nurturing” can come in the form of a woman taking care of a plant. And even then that’s massive generalization, acting more like the “opposite sex” doesn’t fucking mean you’re stuck in the wrong body.

This is all Evolutionary psychology, and it's crap.

I think this kind of thinking naturalize stuff that isn't natural at all, and gives too much of a free pass to deviants and predators and cringy people. Like, for example the idea that men are hardwired to be different from women ultimately gives them a lot of leeway to be rapists, bullies and homophobes, and they get a pass because "something-something testosterone" and "boys will be boys"... "i need to get my masculine aggression out"...

Plus it's running in circle and from your own admission it's something that is projected from the outside. You see a man being generous and caring and you describe his interior motive as "protective", you would see a woman doing the same thing and she is "caring" ... you are gendering emotions that nobody can actually see. How is that different from tranny-logic.

I disagree with this line of thinking entirely. It's a dead-end, intellectually. Especially until we get more actual science on the subject. But at the moment it's just looking at differences that are the product of a mix of Nature and Nurture and saying "it's all nature". There's no peered-reviewed article proving than men are more like this, that also is able to pin-point the reason for it being hormones or male puberty. None. We do have some studies that proves hormone imbalance creates certain tendencies but it doesn't work like you say it does. Like the reasons we associate pink with girlyness is 100% Nurture and the reasons why women have cellulite and not men is 100% Nature but a lot of other difference can be a mix of both.

(What we have is, for example, proof that women are more punished/expect to be more punished for things men do. But in some case, like corruption (men are more corrupted on average), if you remove the expectation to be "more punished than men", then women can become just as corrupted. They are not nicer, they just know they have more to lose.

Also it's not the ultimate counter to trannies that you think is is, as by what i gather on social media, a lot of trannies luuuv to explain that HRT made them super horny (in the case of Tif) or super emotional and mother-y (in the case of tims) . One of the thing that contributed to my peaking is actually how much they love gender stereotypes. "Oh oestrogen made me so much more emotional this is why women are sensitive", said the 45-year-old who just changed pronouns 7 months prior. They do think men and women think differently, they just think they are not the one you think they are. Transbians love to paint men as radically different (uglier, meaner, smellier). Which, sometimes, isn't without a lot of irony. They are projecting their self-hate.

And i am not opposed to the idea that we are a bit different because of Evo-Psy reasons, like women having better visual memory and men more grip strength. It's undeniable. but it doesn't impact us to to the extent that you say it is. It's negligible, in a society as complex as ours, compared to the hard-core rearing we all experience. Men aren't the one doing most of the raping because evopsy reasons (or not only), but because they are damaged by a society telling them that deep down, it makes them manlier, it makes them masters over women... i don't know i am not a rapist. I just refuse the idea that their is a rapist gene. Even if you have the genetic potential to do something doing it is ultimately your choice. And society influence how you make your choices.

Men and women are mostly the same. They need basic things, like food, water, shelter, sunlight, love and community, they want basic things like entertainment and recognition for what they do, and they wouldn't mind cool stuff, fame, money and power on top of that.

We have the same aspirations, it's just our bodies produce different gametes, it's brings some differences in the same we experience life and we constructed myths and legends around that, it's called gender, it's been going on for millenniums and most of it is akin to humor theory. Obsolete bullshit we invented to make sense of a complicated world full of mysteries than science only started unveiling recently.


TL; DR? less Men Are from Mars, Women are from Venus. More SciHub. PLEASE.
 
Not quite. Sex is not defined by those traits. Sex (in mammals, anyway) is defined as one of the two reproductive categories that partake in sexual reproduction.

The traits you describe flow downhill from sex. They are sex based characteristics, either primary or secondary.

With intersex individuals, they have conditions that muddle the presentation of their sex, but the underlying sex is still there, either male or female.

All intersex people are still either male or female. (In fact, DSDs are sex specific. Only males get certain DSDs and only females get certain DSDs, or like with CAH, the symptoms are highly sex specific.)

Sex itself is a binary classification, not bimodal.
Yes, you're right. I should have said how we identify sex (sex characteristics) follows a strong bimodal distribution, due to the fact that some DSDs can actually obscure the sex of an individual until they are specifically checked for. A male with complete androgen insensitivity is female externally. But they do have sterile male gonads internally, and won't have a uterus, so even if it's undetected for a long time you would still classify them as males because of the chromosomes. Really, they are maybe the one case where trans descriptions make a sort of sense, in that they are male, but are women for socialization and most biological functions.
 
Extending on some of Malevolent Grimace's thoughts (I think), we should look at multiple personality disorder (MPD) or more modernly and accurately, disassociative identity disorder (DID.) There's no real evidence of multiple "personalities", in fact, the whole idea is predicated on the false notion of "personality" as we think of it and not "personality traits." What is happening here with a lot of the LGBT movement is that, due to society's current glamorizing of the activist, the downtrodden, and the oppressed, and that homosexuals HAVE been oppressed a lot in the past, people can now enter this sympathetic group merely by identification. They can call themselves a whole new gender and now they're outside of the oppressive "system" they think they are now outside of and hate. Like DID, it's like brainwashing from social factors, which in the case of DID is usually brought on iatrogenically, by an unqualified/unethical therapist nudging people on. It's a mental illness, but it's more like the people think they have multiple persons in them and act it out almost delusionally rather than actual multiple identities inside them. With the new LGBT stuff, if a guy likes listening to sometimes softer or girly music or feels sensitive sometimes (for example) now they're queer and part of the club. Thus the same with so many trangender folk, if not all of them--it's brought on by confusion and social pressures. The main driving force in today's modern world is to Not Be Oppressive.

And due to the sheer lack of critical thinking today people don't really that being a man or woman doesn't man you have to be your culture's desires gender stereotype all the time. But the kids today, with their empty heads and hearts and constant social confusion and isolation conclude they can be put into a new category.

I highly doubt we can really get to the truth of this matter any time soon due to the political climate as I suspect any research that comes to unsavory conclusions may simply not get published or picked up in an academic journal due to refusal by biased editors. That's how it works!
 
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