Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[redeyejedi]

The UK's vaccination surveillance report has been released 2 weeks late

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These numbers are from week 49, early December to week 52 end of December. They include a mix of Delta and Omicron Covid and do not account for the current massive outbreak in the UK but holy shit. There are, depending on age group, 12 to 30 times more vaccinated people catching Covid than purebloods.

Here's the vaxx rates according to age group in the UK

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Around 65% of 18-30 year olds are vaccinated in the UK. If the vaccines were doing nothing there should be around twice as many vaccinated catching Covid compared to the unvaccinated in this age group instead there are 12 times more.

In my circle almost all of the people I know who've come down with Covid are vaccinated. But it's hard to tell in Australia as almost all adults have been forced to take it. Now we know why they're so fucking implacable about forcing the vaccines on the remaining refusers.

Sorry if already posted, but the chart on page 16 looks like it shows negative efficacy after 20weeks+

The pages before show effectiveness with the booster:

Shows improved effectiveness but cuts out conveniently at 9 weeks. I think we can all guess how it will go after 9 weeks....

 

[AssignedEva]

Sorry if already posted, but the chart on page 16 looks like it shows negative efficacy after 20weeks+


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The pages before show effectiveness with the booster:

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Shows improved effectiveness but cuts out conveniently at 9 weeks. I think we can all guess how it will go after 9 weeks....

It's important to note this is vaccine efficacy in terms of "protection against symptomatic disease".

It cuts off at 9 weeks because 9 weeks before week 52 is October. The UK only started booster roll out for "NHS heroes" (frontline medical staff) in mid-September, with it expanding to clinically extremely vulnerable people and older people six months after their second jab after that. So there wasn't much data to be had prior to 9 weeks before the end of the year.

The massive error bars on that last omicron second jab data point are weird, but that indicates a bigger standard deviation. The odds of it being -45% are the same as it jumping up to being +40% effective. Call it cope, but these statistical quirks aren't uncommon.

That said, certainly the trend is clear with the booster, that any protection will eventually wear off. Everyone's panicking and going "Oh GOD we'll have to KEEP JABBING EVERYONE" rather than conceding that maybe we just have to let nature take its course if "symptomatic illness" is just the sniffles. (Also those charts seem to show two boosters? Weird)

 

[Billy Beer]

No need for a fourth Covid jab yet, say UK advisers

The booster third dose continues to give high protection to people 65 and over, data suggests.

www.bbc.co.uk

Wind me back 12 months so I can ask the normies if there will ever be a discussion of a 4th booster.

I'm not mad, right? That we're discussing a 4th jab and nobody is setting the fucking world on fire is just crazy to me. What the fuck is going on? How are people not going fucking mental? People were lied to, multiple times, over and over again and their response is to roll up their sleeves, AGAIN?! because what, 4th times a charm?

The fuck is going on?

 

[trailcamwhore]

The fuck is going on?

"Identification with the aggressor," often mistakenly called Stockholm Syndrome. Governments and pharma are wildly and irrationally injuring people. That's the side to join, if only through compliance.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

I lurked on City-Data forums and I saw this post about the treatments that was worth to share.

City-Data Forum - View Single Post - Vaccine Thread - Part II

Post 62656235 - City-Data.com forum

www.city-data.com

Only vaccines?

Wonder what an individual practicing physician here in the US thinks about the possibility of an early treatments?

There are foreign doctors that emphasize the absolute necessity of the early treatment and do that.
It seems that there is more freedom in other countries for doctors to think for themselves and their patients.

In South Africa a doctor observed allergies like reactions to spike protein and treats his patients with anti-histamine, then steroids.
He claims that he did not lose any of his more than 7000 sometimes obese patients with the co morbidities.

The group of doctors from Russia uses direct anticoagulants treatments very early on if infected- as they think micro-clots/inflammation connected with the cytokines storms and organ failures as a result.
They claim success and keep the patients out of the hospitals

They don’t wait for RCT- they just treat their patients the best they can.

Don’t see nearly anything like that in the US. We are instructed to stay home until we can not breathe, than call 911- it just doesn’t make any sense
Even the most promising steroids treatments of the hospitalized came from the UK…

What is the US doctors contribution to the COVID treatments ?
Does anyone know?

 

[redeyejedi]

The massive error bars on that last omicron second jab data point are weird, but that indicates a bigger standard deviation. The odds of it being -45% are the same as it jumping up to being +40% effective. Call it cope, but these statistical quirks aren't uncommon.

Agree the confidence interval is quite wide, but should be noted that the lower end of this CI has got lower in the last couple of weeks. I wonder if the trend will continue


And two boosters? I think that's because here you can have Pfizer or Moderna as a booster. mRNA 1273 I think is Moderna?

 

[SouthernBitchBob]

Mentally replace every single instance of "Covid" or "Omicron" or any related terminology with "cold". It's amazing how it makes everyone sound like a munchie nutcase when they aren't using weaselly nu-terminology on it as if it were some mysterious alien organ melter virus.

"Someone in your office has [a cold]? Did you get tested? Make sure you quarantine. You can't be sure!"
"I can't believe you would go see a movie. Do you know how reckless that is? You were near someone with [a cold] last week! You haven't even tested! You could have [a cold] and spread it to everyone there!"
"I don't care how mild you think [this cold] is. You could run into someone with a weaker immune system and kill them. Do you want that on your conscience?"

It makes everyone sound like they belong in a nuthouse. Because they do.

 

[Protistology]

I lurked on City-Data forums and I saw this post about the treatments that was worth to share.

City-Data Forum - View Single Post - Vaccine Thread - Part II

Post 62656235 - City-Data.com forum

www.city-data.com

Benadryl and Aspirin were already mentioned ITT.

 

[RumblyTumbly]

Drawing from the last six months, I know MANY people that tested positive for COVID.

Only two of them were unvaccinated...and they had colds and got over it in a few days. Everyone else was vaxxed and had symptoms that varied in intensity (the worst was one who was bedridden for a day).

Meanwhile, I am not vaccinated and in the last year, I have done and gone places that should have resulted in my death, and yet I've never even gotten the sniffles. Also, no one around me has died or even been hospitalized from COVID.

They can go on calling this a "Pandemic of the unvaccinated" all they want, and they can try to force us to get vaxxed all they want, but none of their shit is working and its obvious to anyone with a brain.

 

[Cycleye]

The Ohmycorn emergency in the uk is purely down to staff being at home and not at work. As some of you onow a relative of mine got a positive PCR result before xmas eve. We were informed about it a couple of days later and Test and Trace got involved.
This household heard nothing more about it, but I hqve learnt since that as every contqct with the plague carrier tested negative at the time, and for days afterwards, the T and T people had told the household in question that it was very likely a bad result and we should all ignore it.
If we had all followed the 'rules' and if there had been one more positive test result among the people involved it would have resulted in 10-12 people having to isolate for 10 days. So.....hospital doctors and nurses commonly live in shared houses, sleep around alot, party alot etc so you can easily see how a few of houses and a dozen, or more, end up not going to work. They are not all wonderful people and a big percentage will milk the crap out of this, while they can.

People will start dying and it will not be from covid. It will be deaths "related" to covid which is the word i see more often now, in reports, so maybe we are already at that point. The dumb non science rules driven by Karens might be doing more of the killing.

 

[borsabil]

Not according to the vaccine surveillance report.

Cases presenting to emergency care (within 28 days of a positive test) resulting in overnight inpatient admission, by specimen date between week 49 and week 52 2021

	Unadjusted rates among persons vaccinated with 2 doses (per 100,000)	Unadjusted rates among persons not vaccinated (per 100,000)
Under 18	2.0	7.6
18-29	6.3	12.7
30-39	7.1	19.4
40-49	8.6	33.5
50-59	10.2	58.8
60-69	13.0	91.4
70-79	20.5	143.4
Over 80	55.0	260.3

Case rates are calculated using NIMS - a database of named individuals from which the numerator and the denominator come from the same source and there is a record of each individuals vaccination status. Further information on the use of NIMS as the source of denominator data is presented on page 36 of this report.

It's unadjusted because I guess you'd need to normalise it to the infection rate in each age cohort for vaccinated and unvaccinated. The data for that is also there but I'm not good enough to crunch the number - however the infection rate for vaccinated people per 100,000 is higher than for unvaccinated across the board.

That doesn't mean the vaccine makes you more likely to catch omicron (they specifically warn you can't accurately estimate vaccine efficacy just using this table and it can be easily misinterpreted) but even if you want to put your tinfoil hat on and say that the jabs make you catch covid, that just would show an even more pronounced difference in hospitalisations between jabbed and unjabbed.

The rate of hospitalisations is considerably lower in vaccinated people than unvaccinated people, with this difference getting amplified as you go up the age cohorts.

Edit: Oh right, you're specifically talking about infection rates.

Well yeah, there are higher infection rates amongst vaccinated people. But population dynamics are fuzzy and chaotic and won't necessarily map 1:1 with vaccine efficacy.

Maybe young people who like going to sweaty, crowded nightclubs a lot were more worried about vaccine passports stopping them going out so have more vaccine uptake than people who hate nightclubs, so the number of vaccinated people in high exposure nightclub environments is massively skewed.

Maybe university students felt more pressure from their university to get vaccinated, and university dorms are hotbeds for infection.

Maybe people who can't work from home and work in factories, customer facing retail etc felt more pressure to get vaccinated and get more exposure than people who work from home.

Maybe people who went on holiday had to get vaccinated and then faced significantly more exposure by sitting on a plane that recirculates air for hours and hours.

Maybe unvaccinated people aren't testing themselves as much/pretending to test and just reporting fake negatives, so the positive test rate in unvaccinated people is skewed way lower.

See what I mean?

Not to get into the deep thickets (again) of why these numbers are bullshit, just look at the "unlinked cases".

Saying that the hospitalisation data is trailing infections. It covers the month of December and mostly involves Delta Covid. Omicron is so fucking mild that only the extremely susceptible or folks who are already at death's door will need hospital care from it. It is incapable of causing a direct viral pneumonia or even systemic infection with the virus staying in the upper respiratory tract. Like any virus it can leave a few people open to secondary infection, which is the likeliest cause of most hospital admissions. In terms of public health we can now safely ignore hospitalisation data and vaccine efficacy, right now it's a pure numbers game given the shear volume of vaccinated people catching it.

 

[George Lucas]

Listening to supreme court hearing, (((sotomayor))) is evil...

She also has serious health problems.

Sotomayor is considered a bit of a joke among legal circles (at least the ones I’m familiar with). She doesn’t have any kind of philosophical basis for her opinions, just rules what she thinks is the right thing to do or whatever, and she’s just generally not a good writer. She doesn’t seem to be cut out for the job. She publicly struggled during her first year and probably gets a lot of assistance from her staff.

 

[ForgedBlades]

 

[FarmerKhourtney]

California has a running graph on their covid data page
It supposedly calculates how likely vax/unvax are to contract covid for every two week period.
I first saw it at thanksgiving and it was 7.1 times more likely
A couple weeks ago it dropped to 5.2 times more likely
Now it is showing 3.9 times more likely

 

[The Ultimate Ramotith]

Canada didn't elect him. Westminster Democracy did. Were it not for the likes of Andrew Scheer being able to infiltrate the right and cause the party to fraction, thereby splitting the vote, neither Trudeau would have ever held power. But, Westminster Democracies are all just dog-and-pony shows intended to present the illusion of choice in the first place.

Do not forget Donald Trump winning the United States elections. Th entire Internet was claiming tha 'TRIUMYP IS HITLER!!!!!', making Canadians wan to avoid electing a 'Canadian Hitler'. There were, ironically, calls to avoid splitting the vote on Justin Trudeau.

 

[George Lucas]

California has a running graph on their covid data page
It supposedly calculates how likely vax/unvax are to contract covid for every two week period.
I first saw it at thanksgiving and it was 7.1 times more likely
A couple weeks ago it dropped to 5.2 times more likely
Now it is showing 3.9 times more likely

https://covid19.ca.gov/state-dashboard/

 

[Mrs. Addams]

More people in LA County have Covid than have had it at any other point during the last two years:

Supposedly death rates lag two weeks behind spikes so I'll have to report back at the end of January on whether we've all died. So far it looks good though. I think we're about 75% vaccinated?

 

[AssignedEva]

Not to get into the deep thickets (again) of why these numbers are bullshit, just look at the "unlinked cases".

Saying that the hospitalisation data is trailing infections. It covers the month of December and mostly involves Delta Covid. Omicron is so fucking mild that only the extremely susceptible or folks who are already at death's door will need hospital care from it. It is incapable of causing a direct viral pneumonia or even systemic infection with the virus staying in the upper respiratory tract. Like any virus it can leave a few people open to secondary infection, which is the likeliest cause of most hospital admissions. In terms of public health we can now safely ignore hospitalisation data and vaccine efficacy, right now it's a pure numbers game given the shear volume of vaccinated people catching it.

Yeah, and I think that's maybe what is being realised.

The vaccines are fairly effective at preventing serious illness. They are not effective enough to end the pandemic. We have a largely elderly population (20% of the population is pensioners) and one that can be pretty unhealthy, and even with vaccine protection the rate of spread is enough to overwhelm the hospitals. Having another lockdown would not stop the hospitals get overwhelmed.

Therefore we have to just let the hospitals get overwhelmed. If enough people catch it in a short space of time, the NHS will collapse. But it won't stay collapsed, because eventually everyone who would clog up hospitals will be dead. The NHS will have to triage, which means working out who gets the most benefit from treatment - which means triple vaxxed granny gets left to die so a 40 year old anti-vaxxer gets her bed. Then once we've all had it, it's over. If it's not over because of more strains, then we'll do that again, and leave more elderly and sickly people to die. The alternative is to permanently destroy our economy and the country's mental health (especially children, who've probably now got permanent stunted development) and then there'll be nobody to staff the NHS or fund the NHS anyway.

Nobody wants to say this, because it isn't "fair". "We made a load of sacrifices and followed all the rules and you're leaving granny to die so an anti-vaxxer can have her bed?". It's also horrible for elderly people to hear (and the Tory's predominate voter base is elderly people). But it's really the only end game, and the only question is how many more times do we need to permanently wreck lives, shrink our economy and lower our standard of living so that they can try to have a few more years. It's like King Canute with the sea, you can't stop death.

I wish Chris Whitty would get on TV and say that.

 

[Vince McMahon]

Are any of your recent posts in this thread not mad sounding? Eesh.

Relax, man.

Who died and made you janny?

 

[RumblyTumbly]

They keep saying case numbers are going up, but hospitalizations and deaths don't seem that bad at all.

Shouldn't this be seen as a good sign?