Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Blackhole]

BTW, Vancouver's opioid problems go back to the Heroine epidemic of the 70s, so please stop apologizing for a bunch of tweakers that would kill you for $5.

I am not apologizing for tweakers. I hate them too.

 

[BrokLesnerd]

And yet, knowing the playbook, no one on the right is subverting it or running an anti-playbook.

Sad.

The counter-play is just to not to play the game. Just let these morons run themselves out on all their lies. By the day more normies are figuring out they were lied to and sold poison. These forces of chaos have successfully taken over all of the institutions and avenues of discourse. To present a message to the public will just further fan the flames, and that's what this is really about. Their goal is to divide and conquer so they can present their false messiah and install their one-world government.

Remember, this has been a long-game playing out over the last 200 years to undo the changes to industrialized society by the enlightenment.

 

[theshitposter]

big if true

Mentally replace every single instance of "Covid" or "Omicron" or any related terminology with "cold". It's amazing how it makes everyone sound like a munchie nutcase when they aren't using weaselly nu-terminology on it as if it were some mysterious alien organ melter virus.

"Someone in your office has [a cold]? Did you get tested? Make sure you quarantine. You can't be sure!"
"I can't believe you would go see a movie. Do you know how reckless that is? You were near someone with [a cold] last week! You haven't even tested! You could have [a cold] and spread it to everyone there!"
"I don't care how mild you think [this cold] is. You could run into someone with a weaker immune system and kill them. Do you want that on your conscience?"

It makes everyone sound like they belong in a nuthouse. Because they do.

flu kills babies and old folks. younglings are pretty much safe from corona

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Hospital staff in Windsor, Ont., find ivermectin hidden inside COVID-19 patient's stuffed animal

A COVID-19 patient tried to sneak the anti-parasite drug ivermectin into Windsor Regional Hospital by hiding it inside a stuffed animal, according to an internal memo sent to staff at the Ontario hospital on Friday. David Musyj, the hospital's chief executive officer, wrote that the adult...

ca.news.yahoo.com

Gee, nothing suspicious about that incident at all. Makes me wonder if a staff member made the whole thing up. Why else would anybody be finding shit in a patients stuffed animal

"As the staff member was collecting the patient's personal belonging, the staff noticed a slit in the stuffed animal. Inside of it was Ivermectin," wrote Musyj in the memo obtained by CBC News.

I thought hospitals were swamped and yet this weirdo had the time and inclination to inspect the patient's personal belongings for tears and weak seams?

Sounds like Smollett noose.

 

[RMQualtrough]

Here's the graph that really matters:

 

[Derka Derka]

NHS doctor tells UK Health Secretary he won't get jabbed, in spite of the mandate​

Archive copy (thanks to @Lichen Bark)

 

[Fliddaroonie]

Granny isn't dying, but she's taking up a bed. That's the problem. If granny died a day after catching it, there would be no capacity crisis. There's also a lot of sickly people getting way more sickly because of covid - it's not that they're hospitalised with covid, it's just that covid on top of what else they have means they need hospital treatment. Omicron is just a cold unless you're elderly and sickly, and we've got a lot of elderly sickly people.

But yeah otherwise there's normally hospitals issuing black alerts during a regular flu season because a decade of austerity has ripped the bottom out of the NHS.

Our response is making it worse without a doubt though. Hospitals are now divided into covid positive and covid negative wards, and capacity is further reduced because bed spacing has been increased (so there's less beds). Hospital wards would normally tell staff with flu symptoms to stay off work till the symptoms clear up, but they wouldn't do influenza antibody immunoassays on all their staff and make anyone testing positive stay home for 10 days.

Without control measures the NHS would probably still "collapse" in some areas (especially Cornwall, which basically only has one hospital in the whole county) but not for anywhere near as long.

Its not just austerity. It's overpaid fluff management who have little to no clinical expertise. It's paying for troons to have genital mutilation. It's the care of spud babies the Asians keep growing. It's GPs refusing to see patients on person, pushing non emergency cases to a and e. It's obesity and the knock on effect which touches everything cos fatties are more expensive to treat.

But worst of all it's the moron patients who don't treat it with respect because it's "free" and they're stupid.

The crisis in the NHS far predates the last decade of the Government and the whole of the public are responsible for it. Either by being on the groups named above or challenging it when they see it in some way.

 

[BrokLesnerd]

"As the staff member was collecting the patient's personal belonging, the staff noticed a slit in the stuffed animal. Inside of it was Ivermectin," wrote Musyj in the memo obtained by CBC News.

I thought hospitals were swamped and yet this weirdo had the time and inclination to inspect the patient's personal belongings for tears and weak seams?

Sounds like Smollett noose.

Hospital to jail pipeline?

I tell my son's dad

What the fuck? Just say "my ex" like a normal person.

Your post seems to be seeking sympathy and reeks of hystrionics, but see, you chose to place yourself in this situation, first by choosing poorly someone to breed with, and then by willingly going to spend time with these people. You have no one to blame for your ordeal but yourself. These don't sound like the type of people a sensible person would chose to be around, and yet there you were, legs open and jaw flapping.

Sounds like you got what you deserve.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Hospital to jail pipeline?


What the fuck? Just say "my ex" like a normal person.

Your post seems to be seeking sympathy and reeks of hystrionics, but see, you chose to place yourself in this situation, first by choosing poorly someone to breed with, and then by willingly going to spend time with these people. You have no one to blame for your ordeal but yourself. These don't sound like the type of people a sensible person would chose to be around, and yet there you were, legs open and jaw flapping.

Sounds like you got what you deserve.

For a second I thought it was a guy posting those words and that it was a riff on poor old John Goldman.

But no...forget it, Jake, it's upside down continent shit.

 

[BrokLesnerd]

For a second I thought it was a guy posting those words and that it was a riff on poor old John Goldman.

But no...forget it, Jake, it's upside down continent shit.

I did too. Had to read it thrice to recognize it was a woman posting all that BPD and not another dude raising his wife's boyfriend's children.

 

[Shinobi_1880]

This doctor needs prizes

NHS doctor tells Health Secretary he won't get jabbed

A Consultant Anaesthetist has told Sajid Javid that he will not get vaccinated against COVID and is unhappy at the mandatory requirement.Steve James told the...

youtu.be

 

[Willie Thrills]

For a second I thought it was a guy posting those words and that it was a riff on poor old John Goldman.

But no...forget it, Jake, it's upside down continent shit.

It's a shame, Australians have the precedent to go Ned Kelly on them.

 

[borsabil]

So today, here in the People's Republic of Victoria, more than 50,000 cases. Those 2 long years of grinding lockdowns, curfews, police brutality, destroyed business, suicides, trampling of basic rights, work mandates and forced vaccinations have sure paid off.

Because of the total lack of rapid antigen tests and the severe rationing of PCR testing this number is a vast underestimate of actual infections. How much?

Australia sets new daily COVID case record as experts call for more free tests

Record numbers of confirmed coronavirus cases are being reported daily, with more than 37,000 confirmed on Monday. But experts say it’s likely to be eclipsed again.

www.smh.com.au

Epidemiologist and public health medicine specialist Professor Tony Blakely, who estimates COVID-19 cases are between five and 10 times the daily confirmed cases, said if confirmed infections reached 50,000 a day, the real figure is likely to be between 250,000 and 500,000 actual infections each day.

“It’s only going to take about three weeks at those sorts of numbers before 40, 50, 60 per cent of the population has been infected, and the virus will run out of steam,” the University of Melbourne academic said.

We're not far off that now. Literally everybody I know has come down with the sniffles. They can't get their hands on tests, some of them are sperging out and having meltdowns. Yes it's funny but that's what you get for being nigger cattle.

The ridiculous quarantine rules remain in place. Everybody who tests positive must go into self isolation for 7 days although now no need for tests on day 6 mainly because you can't get one. Typical symptoms sore throat, headache, runny nose, mild cough. My brother in law was fine after a day, some people are down for 3 days, don't know anyone who was sick for a week even the fats.

Father-in-law caught it as did all of his staff at his restaurant. He would have happily cheated the rules but both his chefs lost their shit and insisted on going home so he had to shut it down for a week. I spent the entire day yesterday with him and his manager closing up the place, throwing out food, cleaning and so on. Didn't bother with a mask and around both of them for 14 hours in a confined hot space with zero airflow,, both of them coughing and spluttering and wiping away snot. Missus brought another test home tonight and insisted I take it as there's no way I couldn't have caught it. Still negative and I feel fine.

Now not saying I can't catch it, I probably will catch it, I really want to catch it as I can get a temporary mandate exemption, but so far I can't seem to.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Now not saying I can't catch it, I probably will catch it, I really want to catch it as I can get a temporary mandate exemption, but so far I can't seem to.

Sounds like you caught the cold early on and can't get it anymore.

 

[Cycleye]

The future is in the hands of stupid people

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-59919105

Should not be a parent and should not be teacher.

 

[DDBCAE CBAADCBE]

What if The Patriots were right, Snake?

 

[low sodium]

Italy introduces mandatory vaccination for over-50s

Vorgehen gegen Corona: Italien führt Impfpflicht für Über-50-Jährige ein

28 Millionen Italiener sollen sich nach dem Willen der Regierung schnellstens immunisieren lassen. Wer das nicht tut, kann künftig nicht mehr zur Arbeit und muss mit Geldstrafen rechnen.

www.faz.net

Italien führt Impfpflicht für Über-50-Jährige ein

archived 8 Jan 2022 11:13:39 UTC

archive.md

Italy introduces mandatory vaccination for over-50s

The government wants 28 million Italians to be immunized as soon as possible. Those who fail to do so will no longer be able to work and will face fines.

Italy is introducing a general vaccination requirement for people over 50. According to the National Statistics Office, 28 million of the country's 59 million inhabitants fall into this age group. The regulation will take effect with the publication in the Official Gazette of the decree approved Wednesday evening, which is expected later this week. In addition, workers and employees in this age cohort will be allowed to go to their workplace from Feb. 15 only if they are vaccinated or recovered according to the 2-G rule. Previously, going to work was possible even with a negative test result. The decision extends the vaccination requirement, which was previously limited to the health and education sectors and security forces, to the population as a whole for the first time.

The decree law, approved unanimously by the Cabinet, was the government's response to yet another record high in the number of new infections detected. After almost 171,000 additional infections were registered within 24 hours on Tuesday, another good 189,000 new infections were added on Wednesday. In total, a good 1.4 million people in Italy are currently infected with the coronavirus according to test evidence. The proportion of people testing positive for coronavirus among all those tested was 17 percent on Wednesday.

Fines up to 1500 euros
"We are intervening especially in the age groups where the risk of hospitalization is particularly high in case of infection. With this, we are taking the pressure off the clinics," said Prime Minister Mario Draghi at the end of the cabinet meeting, which lasted a good two hours. With the measure, his government is simultaneously pursuing the goal of keeping schools and universities open and administrative and production operations running, Draghi said. The provisions will initially apply until June 15. Those over the age of 50 who fail to comply with the vaccination requirement will face fines of 100 euros. Fines of between 600 and 1,500 euros are foreseen for violations of the 2-G rule for people over 50 going to work. The duty to check rests with the employer. If an employee does not have a so-called "Super Green Pass" (proof in accordance with the 2-G rule) and does not show up for work, this is considered an unexcused absence. The job is retained, but neither salary nor other remuneration nor social contributions are paid.

There are exceptions to the vaccination requirement only for health reasons. The 3-G rule continues to apply to body-related services, as well as going to offices, the post office and banks, and retail stores. No proof is required for stores for daily needs or pharmacies.

Before the cabinet meeting, there had been disagreement in the coalition over the measures. While the Social Democrats, the Christian Democratic Forza Italia and the center-left Italia Viva party of former head of government Matteo Renzi supported the health minister's call for compulsory vaccination, the right-wing nationalist Lega and the left-wing populist Five Star Movement rejected it. Prime Minister Draghi, who has no party affiliation, proposed the compromise eventually accepted by all coalition partners. The decree also includes a call for public administrations and private companies to send workers and employees to home offices, if possible.

There had also been disputes over school operations in recent days. This Monday, classes begin again after the Christmas vacations. Draghi had insisted that new distance teaching like last year must be avoided. In elementary schools, all students will have to homeschool for ten days in the future if there are two contagions in a class. In secondary schools, distance learning is only envisaged when there are three cases of Corona in a class. If there are two cases, students who have not been vaccinated or boostered or who have been recovering for more than 120 days will have to stay away from the classroom.

It is unclear how compliance with the vaccination requirement will be monitored. There is no national immunization registry. The government is relying on public pressure and the threat of fines to enforce the age-specific vaccination requirement. The leader of the post-fascist Brothers of Italy party, Giorgia Meloni, criticized the government's decision Thursday as "another attack on civil rights." Meloni's party is the only opposition force of any significant size, with approval ratings of just under 20 percent in recent polls. Meloni accused Draghi of failing across the board with his pandemic policy, which the government is trying to conceal with ever new restrictions.

I don't see Europe easing up on the restrictions, quite the opposite.

 

[Random Internet Person]

And this would be why people are moving here in record numbers during an oil recession.

Great. Then the real question is presented: Oilers and Elks or Flames and Stampeders?

@low sodium Honestly, I'm pretty sure all of /pol/ and A and H has written off all of Europe instead of the Eastern part tht's "super based".

 

[borsabil]

Sounds like you caught the cold early on and can't get it anymore.

Haven't had a cold since this whole thing started. 2 years and nothing. I did get shitty hay fever a couple of weeks ago but I know the difference and it cleared up with antihistamines.

Saying that I've been dosing myself with horse dewormer, last dose a couple of weeks , so maybe that?

Hopefully it wears off soon as I want to catch it. I could go on to the government's r.etarded online reporting for rapid tests and claim I've got it, they're paying out 750 bucks as compensation for the 1 week quarantine, which is nice. But I'm worried I'll get some Covidian doctor who insists I go for an antibody test as a condition for my exemption so it'd be better if I just caught it.

 

[SCSI]

I posted this in the Biden thread too but assuming a week to get a decision from the courts, that puts this too late anyway. The OSHA mandate goes into effect on Monday. My company has already announced that either you need to be vaxxed or have a weekly test on your own dime. I’m kind of looking forward to seeing how many people don’t show up for work Monday.

What makes this funnier is they just announced if you have a positive test you have to stay home for 5 days but you have to either use your PTO or not get paid. I guarantee the guys on the line are going to have a lot of colds in the future.

You might still have a chance to skate -- I can't find it again right now, but I saw something earlier this afternoon about one of the justices, Kavanaugh I think, looking to request a delay on the OSHA ETS mandate kicking back in so the court would have more time to decide. The phrasing I saw was "a few days" so signs are pointing to a ruling by the end of the week. Worst case (assuming Clown World stops honking the nose for a moment and the ETS dies) you might only be on the hook for 1-2 tests. Cross your fingers.

---

Back with some commentary on the CMS healthcare mandate oral arguments. I'm going to handle the OSHA ETS analysis in a separate post because the transcript for that one is 50 pages longer than the CMS one and sleep > sperging (on occasion). Will be back with thoughts on OSHA later today.

Gorsuch was far and away the most hostile to this mandate, top to bottom, you name an argument against it and he was nodding in agreement. As a bonus, some passive-aggressive judge rage.

Spoiler: "We Don't Have Congress Here"

JUSTICE GORSUCH: I understand -- I understand that. What do we do about the fact that Congress has never before -- sorry, that CMS, not Congress, we don't have Congress here, CMS has never before said among its standards a vaccination requirement or any other health standard with respect to employees and actions they must take outside the work environment? So, for example, could Congress --sorry, CMS, also implement regulations about exercise regimes, sleep habits, medicines and supplements that must be ingested by hospital employees in the name of health and safety and would -- would the government argue that does not control the tenure of those employees?
MR. FLETCHER (this guy was the lawyer for the federal government): I think that does not -- setting standards, even if they're outlandish standards that we think couldn't be set for other reasons wouldn't be controlling in the standard.
JUSTICE GORSUCH: Still doesn't control, doesn't control, even though they have to take these medications, they have to get this much sleep, they have to do this much exercise every day?
MR. FLETCHER: In any more -- again, I want to be clear, I'm not suggesting the Secretary can do any of those things. I'm just suggesting that the reason he can't is not 1395.
JUSTICE GORSUCH: Is that because it doesn't constitute control of an employee's tenure or compensation?
MR. FLETCHER: Correct.
MR. FLETCHER: Because setting standards for employees does not exercise control.

Thomas was quiet, but interestingly he expressed concerns about possible vaccine injuries.

JUSTICE THOMAS: One last -- just a question. Don't you think it's a bit curious that you're placing significant reliance on a provision that speaks about necessary to the efficient administration to administer a vaccine that has -- could have significant health consequences?

Alito seemed fairly hostile to the mandate to me, although less bombastically than Gorsuch. But his questions consistently focused on the lack of a specific statute authorizing the covid vaccine mandate from Congress, and he clearly disliked how the required consultation with the states happened after the mandate was issued, not before as would be more logical.

Kavanaugh and Roberts had concerns both for and against -- on the one hand, vaccines and infection control are pretty clearly related to healthcare industry regs. But on the other hand, Kavanaugh expressed concern about why, if this power to mandate a vaccine is already theirs, have they never done it before with other diseases, like the flu? He could have been baiting the statement from Fletcher, the feds' lawyer, that "the Coof is just built different", or hinting that it wasn't done before because they knew they didn't really have the power to. Hard to say. Kavanaugh also threw out a question to one of the two lawyers arguing against the feds designed to fish a clear explanation on the record how the vaccine is different from other, long-accepted hospital regulations issued by the feds. He practically invited the lawyer, Osete, into citing Justice Sutton's biting description from the OSHA case they heard just a few hours before this.

Spoiler: Kavanaugh Goes Fishing

JUSTICE KAVANAUGH: And then, second, just -- I think you've alluded to this, but how is a vaccine different in kind, from your perspective, from, say, the requirement to wear
gloves or the requirement to wash your hands or the other kinds of requirements? Because I think if you acknowledge that the -- there's authority to require the latter, then you need to explain why the -- the vaccine is different.
MR. OSETE (this guy was a lawyer for the hospital employees): I don't think I could sayit any better than Chief Justice Sutton did at page 12 of the dissent in the OSHA case, which is masks can come off, gloves can come off, the
vaccine requirement, taking a vaccine is a permanent medical procedure that cannot come off after work is over. That is, there are -- there are materially different conditions,
materially different procedures at stake. And when you look at the context, for example, in the hospital requirement, 1395x(e), nothing in that statute comes close to
authorizing this precise mandate in this case, which is going to have devastating consequences for vast swaths of this country, Your Honor.

Spoiler: Roberts' Ambiguous Waffling On Notice

CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: I'd like to touch on the Spending Clause issue just a bit. It was a broad provision that you agreed to, which authorized the Secretary to impose requirements that are -- that the Secretaryfinds are necessary in the interest of the health and safety of -- of patients. Why did that not give you adequate notice that something like this could be enacted?
MS. MURRILL (this lady was the other lawyer for the hospital employees): I don't think that gave us any more notice that that could be enacted than -- I mean, no one even expected COVID, so how could we possibly have expected to have the federal government, through a spending condition imposed upon us years after this program was created, co-opt a quintessential police -- state police power for deciding whether the -- its citizens should be vaccinated or not? That's just not something that we could have reasonably anticipated given the general broad language that is put into the statute.

CHIEF JUSTICE ROBERTS: Determination is what the Secretary finds and it's what the Secretary finds necessary. So I'm not saying there's not some limit there, but I don't know
why a provision addressing a -- an infectious disease of this scope is beyond the Secretary's determination that mandated issue here is -- is necessary.
MS. MURRILL: Well, we've never taken the position that the Secretary has no authority to address it in any given -- in any -- at all. We're saying that the -- that they can't do this. And they've never, ever, ever done anything like this, which they acknowledge.

Barrett was interesting. She was laser-focused on concerns with how this mandate was an omnibus rule that affected any facility taking Medicare/Medicaid dollars, without any regards to the nature of the work, its patient demographics, and different levels of vulnerability within the patients or how likely they and the staff were to being exposed. I think there's a chance that, if push comes to shove, she'll strike down the CMS mandate in its existing form for being overly-broad, because its current state is all or nothing and she's clearly significantly troubled by this breadth. She wants to split Solomon's baby, but can't.

Spoiler: Barrett's Baby

JUSTICE BARRETT: But what if I disagree? [That the cited law gives the power to apply this mandate to ALL medical facilities, regardless of type] So I understand that your position is that all of these granted the Secretary authority, but what if I disagree? What if I say, for example -- you suggested in a footnote in your reply brief that because such a small percentage of employees are covered by the statutes that don't reference health and safety, that we should just allow the injunction to remain in place only as to those.
And let's say that I disagree with you that every single one of the statutes that references health and safety could be interpreted as a grant of rulemaking authority for the reason I suggested with ambulatory surgical centers.

Sotomayor and Kagan were bugfuck nuts. Pure emotion, they were advocating not adjudicating. Frankly, it was fucking embarrassing from a professional standpoint.

Spoiler: I Know Federalism But Gramma!

JUSTICE KAGAN: Mr. Osete, really? Do you think that the CMS head and that the Secretary of HHS are bookkeepers with respect to this statute? Do you think that they don't
have responsibility to protect the safety of these two incredibly vulnerable patient populations? Isn't that their principal responsibility in these laws? Isn't that the most important thing that both of them do?

JUSTICE KAGAN: Yeah. Well, whether there's express language of that kind or not, the responsibility to look after the health and safety of vulnerable populations includes requiring infection prevention measures, isn't that right?

JUSTICE KAGAN: Well, all the Secretary is doing here is to say to providers, you know what, like basically the one thing you can't do is to kill your patients. So you have to get -- you have to get vaccinated so that you're not transmitting the disease that can kill elderly Medicare patients, that can kill sick Medicaid patients. I mean, that seems like a pretty basic infection prevention measure. You can't be the carrier of disease.
MR. OSETE: But, Your Honor, here you're -- we're dealing specifically with a vaccine requirement that, again, has historically been in the state's province. And if Congress wants to give that authority to CMS, the federal agency here, it has to do so in exceedingly clear language.

Also, Sotomayor says the quiet part out loud -- you take that money fo' dem' programs, Uncle Sam owns yo bitch ass. She seems to think that this goes so far as to bypass federalism.

Spoiler: Sotomayor Reminds Those Hoes Who Owns Them

JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR: So, why is this --
MR. OSETE: According to the local government.
JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR: -- an issue for the states to require or not require? I mean, this is the federal government paying for services. And why doesn't it have a right as the payer for services to specify what services it wants to pay for?
MR. OSETE: Because, Your Honor, this Court in Jacobson and various cases has drawn the line at compulsory vaccination being something that the states do. And when Congress --
JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR: But wait a minute. That's what they do with respect to other issues, but this is with respect to if you want my money, your facility has to do this.
MR. OSETE: Your Honor, it is a vaccine requirement -- requirement masquerading as a condition of participation. And if Congress intended that, this Court has made it very clear that something like compulsory vaccination, even in the Spending Clause context, which itself demands Congress speak with a clear voice, it requires --
JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR: How much clearer do you need for Congress to say than pass regulations that protect the health and welfare of ill people?

Breyer though may have been the biggest disappointment. He's got a tremendous amount of experience under his belt, and used to be a level-headed member of the Rehnquist court, if not one I tended to agree with. But he had his shit together. Here? Emotional, and made a complete fool of himself with his reliance on grossly incorrect facts. (Legal Insurrection wrote a short rant on all the bad stats getting shat out by the bench that should prove entertaining and infuriating if you feel like spending a few minutes raising your blood pressure.)

On the other hand, if they don't start to get those plans ready, people might -- well, it looks like a lot of people will get sick and take up hospital beds or worse. So in weighing those equities, why don't we have to take and put quite a lot of weight on avoiding even by a minute or a second, because if you divide 750,000 by the number of seconds in a day, you get a lot of people.

Yes, Breyer thinks 750K people a day are coming down with Beervirus. He brought it up repeatedly in the course of arguments. A wild factual error is a major factor in his decisionmaking process on these cases. Breyer also cites the fuckups in the nursing homes in NY and MA as reasons to keep the mandate, despite the possibility of destroying healthcare staffing in impoverished rural areas that are heavily reliant on Medicare/Medicaid. Because why not reward gross mishandling of a situation by state and city governments, amirite?

Spoiler: Fuck Those Poor Flyover Hicks And Their Babies, Gramma Is More Important

OSETE: And if Congress wants to take that away and give it to CMS or give it to a federal agency, it has to do so in exceeding clarity. And I will point out, too, in the public interest, Your Honor, keeping -- doing away with the injunction as we said so is going to be devastating to vulnerable patients in rural America, in rural Nebraska. No surgeries. The only anesthesiologist in a rural Nebraska hospital, he is not going to be able to go to work. That means no surgeries. Emergency C-sections.

JUSTICE BREYER: On that one I have a question, too. I take what you say is correct. All right. I don't know if it is correct, but I'll assume it. Well, if these states, if we act in such a way that over the next two weeks or the next week these rules go ahead as planned and people do get inoculated because they have to, or -- now, if the bad thing that you are
talking about then occurs, we'll know it, because what they are saying at the moment on the other side is there is another bad thing, which is the bad thing that I mentioned at the beginning, that hundreds of thousands of people more get this disease. And we know what happens from Massachusetts and in New York in the old people's homes. Okay? So they're saying there are two bad things. You are saying the one and the agency, the other, is the more predominant. So suppose you are faced with that division. We let it go ahead. Then if you are right, everybody will know it, and we can draw back. That's not perfect for you, but that's at least something, and it helps protect the people who might otherwise get very sick.

Bonus content -- I think we may need to put Breyer on dementia watch along with Biden.

Spoiler: No, Seriously, What?

JUSTICE BREYER: But what do I do with this? Perhaps you can tell me I am way off base, and I don't mind if you do, but, I mean, here we are, ask for a stay, okay?
And in the one case, either this will go ahead or it won't. In the case earlier, it will go ahead or it won't. And to what extent can we take account of what I think would be
relevant with stays or not stays or how we act in the interim and dah-dah, dah-dah, dah, okay, but there are 750,000 people got this yesterday, but the hospitals are full to
overflowing, that -- there is a problem, worse than diphtheria. People all over the world are getting this, and they are here, too, and they are dying, that's what we're trying to ask you, or they're filling up hospital beds and others are dying because they can't get in. Okay. Now, public interest call it. Call it something else. Call it what you might.
But it seems to me, it's hard for me to believe, it seems to me that every minute that these things are not in effect, thousands of more people are getting this disease. Okay?
And we have some discretionary power. And, therefore, well, you tell me I can't take that into account. To me that's fairly unbelievable, but I want to hear it.

And for those of you filling out a courtroom COVID buzzword bingo card, here's your free space:

JUSTICE SOTOMAYOR: It's unprecedented.