US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

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Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?
 
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X Prime said:
Did you forget the illegal immigration flip?
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Not seriously in effect yet. I have explained this before, it takes 18 years from any period of high illegal immigration to see returns. It's not the illegal immigrants who count for it, they cannot vote, it's their children.
 
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I'm talking about Bernie Sanders going from saying illegal immigration harming American workers to wanting to give them free healthcare.
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Oh, in which case... not really going to budge the needle. For the same reason. Illegal immigrants don't matter, their kids do. The current 'crop' the Democrats have is either too young or from a prior period and already locked in. We will start seeing returns of the last crop in 2028. So pandering to them like that doesn't really -do- much beyond try to maintain their vote against the slow turn of legal migrants against the Democrats.
 
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No no no, I'm saying that you saying that Bernie's message did not change is incorrect. He moved more socially left at the expense of economic leftism.
 
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No no no, I'm saying that you saying that Bernie's message did not change is incorrect. He moved more socially left at the expense of economic leftism.
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Oh, you seem to have mixed in your general message with more specific policy. I apologize for the misunderstanding.

What you describe then is part of -why- we didn't bother to for 2020, actually. Going further left-wing only intensifies the issues that we determined made him non-viable in 2016. We didn't forget it, we noticed it and made the logical conclusion that he was, if anything,m even less viable because of it.

Mainly because once you hit a critical point of going to either direction on the political spectrum, you start seeing voter swapping. A lot of those older Dems who would have sat out in 2016 would have instead voted Republican in 2020 if Bernie had ran.

Addendum: Also a bit of confusion caused by my language, "General Policy" involves the broader thrust and messaging intent. An individual policy can change, but remain within the realm of General Policy. Saying "Healthcare for illegals" was well within his general policies, even if it was a change of an individual policy. Think General as "The broad scope of what is within his wishes".
 
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I don't think Bernie would have won against Trump either, and would have lost the popular vote too.

Bernie never got to be really scrutinized as a presidential nominee, and he would fare extremely poorly if he ever were in that position. All his plans are pretty much AOC-level stupid and untenable. He comes off as a feeble cuck too.
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And he'd be absolute hell to get a lot of the older dems out to vote for and would drive a lot of the older Republican vote who were iffy on Trump out in droves. My firm ran the numbers here in Wisconsin, Bernie almost certainly would have lost unless his message managed to drive out almost 100% of the college vote.
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I think Bernie would've won in 2016 if the DNC and MSM hadn't sabotaged him. In 2020 I was hoping Bernie would, but he was sabotaged again by the DNC, or maybe he was always a stooge. In 2020 I voted Bernie write-in, because Biden is evil, and the evidence is a decades long political career. I saw the face of the DNC in the primaries, first in 2016 and again in 2020.

Thank you Gehenna, I appreciate your takes. They help me maintain hope. Covid has made people unapproachably unreasonable and certain topics truly ineffable. All the articles about the political fever pitch, unable to imagine how the political climate could further heat up and polarize. Then covid, and people using science with something like theological strength behind their arguments. What was after unprecedented political unrest?—apparently an atheist religious persecution. An inquisition.

I'm voting red for the foreseeable future. I'm gay and I have more in common with conservatives, in wanting a mate and family, and to promote family values. Our culture has progressed to homosexual marriage, monogamous and between adults, and so now I'm conservative of those values. Trans bullshit makes me sick, because it targets gender noncomfomity, which by definition is homosexuals.
 
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I point out that if your goal is to make long posts less obtrusive, a spoiler box is technically the most efficient method.
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The Project Gutenberg eBook of The Æsop For Children, by Æsop.

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Great, I hadn't noticed the smaller font before now I cannot un-notice it.
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Well nevertheless my intent was to pay you a compliment.
 
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Andrew Yang claims that Bernie was screwed out of the presidency and that the Democratic Party's internal apparatus is anything but democratic. He concludes by predicting that the Democrats will learn nothing for 2024 and thus - though he doesn't explicitly say it - get their asses kicked.

All of the paid Twitter shills are promptly unleashed on him. The establishment still feels sore about how the progressives harmed turnout and cost Hillary the win in 2016, and doesn't like it being brought up.
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I wouldn't lie. Bernie and Trump would've been an interesting battle to see. I could see Trump winning by a margin over Bernie. I do not remember how big college turnout was then.
 
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Gehenna said:
Roberts actually isn't Establishment. What he is is often way worse, but on a tiny handful of issues better.

His judicial philosophy is Governmental Deference and there are not words sufficient for the scorn I feel for it. In short, his judicial philosophy is that the powers in charge should be deferred to unless they are incapable of providing a reasonable explanation for their overreach. This is why I hates the overreach of the commerce clause but was willing to bitch out on a superficial explanation under something else.
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So he’s not Establishment, but his entire philosophy is based on the premise that he should always defer to the Establishment.
 
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When do we get to see any sort of midterm "campaigning", I want to get mail from Ro Khanna so I can laugh loudly before throwing them away
 
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