US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Get fucked child molester. The Trump justices own you bitch!
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Bonus points if someone do a Downfall parody clip where Hitler rants about the SCOTUS decision on the vaxx mandate.

 

[Gehenna]

So a state or some other party could decide they don't like the CMS ruling and come back to re-litigate it all over again?

They are litigating it. It's allowed to stay in force pending other litigation. Their decision basically reads as "We weren't convinced to stay it, but neither were we convinced of its necessity".


Which basically leaves it open for the lower courts to decide, and eventually for it to come back to them on the merits.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

OSHA mandate was scrapped 6-3 with Sotomayor, Breyer and Kagan dissenting.

CMS mandate was upheld 5-4 with Thomas, Alito, Gorsuch and Barrett dissenting.

Would've preferred it if both were struck down, for reasons already mentioned, but still, SUCK MY COCK, BIG PHARMA, I DON'T HAVE TO TAKE YOUR FUCKING GENE THERAPY BULLSHIT HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

This is good news. However, doesn't this just mean that private employers aren't going to be subjected to federal penalties for not requiring vaccines? Is there anything that prevents them from independently making vaccination a condition of continued employment?

No there isn't, hmm maybe, can the employer themselves be held liable for any damage the vaccine does to you?

 

[Gehenna]

No there isn't, hmm maybe, can the employer themselves be held liable for any damage the vaccine does to you?

Without an overriding mandate, yes.

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

Without an overriding mandate, yes.

Thought that but was unsure. Now a question everyone who has been injected already do they now have a claim against their employer?

 

[Mister DNA]

By the way, the dissent is very poorly reasoned and histrionic, even by the standards of dissents authored liberal justices. It's just pure, unhinged bitching. I think this was posted before, but here is the full text: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21a244_hgci.pdf. It's worth reading the dissent just for salt mining purposes. You can feel the seething emanating off of it like a heat shimmer.

 

[Gehenna]

Thought that but was unsure. Now a question everyone who has been injected already do they now have a claim against their employer?

That's a bit murkier, but "Possibly yes" is the answer. If they enforced the mandate with a reasonable belief it would become standing law any attempt to sue will have an uphill but not wholly insurmountable battle.

 

[Terrifik]

No there isn't, hmm maybe, can the employer themselves be held liable for any damage the vaccine does to you?

no , has to go to courts
but in their faustian bargain they were given immunity for any issue coming from the covid 19 vaccine full stop.

 

[Thomas Talus]

By the way, the dissent is very poorly reasoned and histrionic, even by the standards of dissents authored liberal justices. It's just pure, unhinged bitching. I think this was posted before, but here is the full text: https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/21pdf/21a244_hgci.pdf. It's worth reading the dissent just for salt mining purposes. You can feel the seething emanating off of it like a heat shimmer.

Written by the Wise Latina, I'd guess.

 

[Gehenna]

no , has to go to courts
but in their faustian bargain they were given immunity for any issue coming from the covid 19 vaccine full stop.

You are not entirely correct here. The faustian bargain is only if you try to sue the government over the symptoms, which is what you would have to do if the mandates were in effect. Since at that point it would be the government imposing it on you.

Without the mandates, any imposition is instead the employer themselves. Who have no such security if taken to court.

 

[Mister DNA]

Written by the Wise Latina, I'd guess.

Funny you should say that, because here's an actual passage from it: "When we are wise, we know enough to defer on matters like this one. When we are wise, we know not to displace the judgments of experts, acting within the sphere Congress marked out and under Presidential control, to deal with emergency conditions. Today, we are not wise."

Well, no argument on that last point from me.

(I actually think Breyer wrote it).

 

[HandsomeDan]

no , has to go to courts
but in their faustian bargain they were given immunity for any issue coming from the covid 19 vaccine full stop.

With the mandates falling apart, vaccine problems on the rise and now them not being able to withold the data on the vax for 75 years, many companies wont want to open themselves up to the danger. I am hopeful this was a pull of a massive thread that will now cause all of this to fall apart now.

corporations are cowards, this is why they went along with the mandate in the first place. Now they will flee.

 

[Gehenna]

With the mandates falling apart, vaccine problems on the rise and now them not being able to withold the data on the vax for 75 years, many companies wont want to open themselves up to the danger. I am hopeful this was a pull of a massive thread that will now cause all of this to fall apart now.

This is not quite the pull yet. Keep in mind, this was only where there should be a stay on the mandates. It does not yet void them. The stay is pending decisions by the lower courts.


Now, this stay does give a rather strong nudge to the lower courts to decide a certain way. But it does not decide for them.

 

[Getting tard comed]

no , has to go to courts
but in their faustian bargain they were given immunity for any issue coming from the covid 19 vaccine full stop.

Incorrect. It's why companies enforcing this were dumb and the smarter ones were hesitant. The only people who are immune to legal actions are the producers of the shots and the administrators of the shots. Everyone else is legally open to suit.

Companies who did this are going to be fucked, and tbh I doubt the current protections will stand in court. Fraud usually makes immunity go away.

 

[CarlosDanger]

Demented Joe with another really bad day.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

"I want you to defer on matters like this one. I want you to not displace the judgments of experts, acting within the sphere Congress marked out and under Presidential control, to deal with emergency conditions. Today, you did not do what I wanted."

FTFY, Supreme Cuck Justice.

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

no , has to go to courts
but in their faustian bargain they were given immunity for any issue coming from the covid 19 vaccine full stop.

Yes the people who made the injection can't be held accountable, but my understanding of basic company health and safety is any damages done to you as a result of work or work-related incident that is in no way your fault is at the fault of the employer depending on the context, having to undergo a medical procedure to remain employed would be the responsibility of the employer.

 

[Gehenna]

Yes the people who made the injection can't be held accountable, but my understanding of basic company health and safety is any damages done to you as a result of work or work-related incident that is in no way your fault is at the fault of the employer depending on the context, having to undergo a medical procedure to remain employed would be the responsibility of the employer.

Which is where the mandates were supposed to come in and provide blanket protection. This stay puts that heavily in peril.

 

[DicksOutForKiwigglers]

CMS was always going to be hard to sell. It is incredibly difficult to argue even for something like Covid that medical staff shouldn't be vaccinated. The large workplace mandate getting cut is a huge win still.