Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

KOTOR had a pretty interesting segment where you could choose to be diplomatic to the sand people, and it was established that they used to be an actual civilization with oceans before they were enslaved and strip-mined by the Rakata empire

I still thought they were assholes.

 

[Ishtar]

In legends, the ancestors of the Jawas and Tuskens were brutally punished because they one rebelled and two were believed responsible for the plague that was weakening the Rakata’s connection to the force.

So the punishment was a devastating bombardment of the planet that turned a lush world into a desert.

 

[RiceofSkywalker]

Apparently there are rumors of yet another Blando spinoff, the lead being Bo Katan, aka red-haired mandalorian girl from Filoni Wars. I don't know how trustworthy the rumor source is, but CBR claims Ming Na retweeted it congratulating Katee Sackhoff, then quickly deleted it (See screenshot in article).

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REPORT: Star Wars' Bo-Katan Kryze Getting Disney+ Series Starring Katee Sackhoff​

The Mandalorian and Clone Wars star Katee Sackhoff is reportedly getting her own Disney+ show centered on her character Bo-Katan Kryze.

BY MATH ERAOPUBLISHED 2 DAYS AGO

It looks as if another The Mandalorian character could be getting a spinoff series on Disney+.

According to That Hashtag Show, a series centered on Bo-Katan Kryze is in the works. The show would star Katee Sackoff, who voiced the character on The Clone Wars and Rebels before reprising the role when it jumped to live-action for Season 2 of The Mandalorian. No other story details were revealed, but the alleged series is set to take place after The Mandalorian's upcoming third season.
Adding potential fuel to the fire of this report, The Mandalorian and Book of Boba Fett star Ming-Na Wen retweeted the report, offering her congratulations to Sackoff. Wen quickly deleted the tweet, however. This could mean Wen knows about the show and deleted the tweet as it's not official yet. But it could also be that she was simply learning the potential news from the report and deleted it once she realized it could be interpreted as confirmation.

Though fans of Bo-Katan will have to wait for a more official announcement, a series centered around the Mandalorian would come with plenty of story potential and a built-in audience. What's more, THS said that Bo-Katan was meant to factor into the canceled Rangers of the New Republic series, so it could be that this new rumored show will fill that voice.
Sackhoff has certainly expressed an interest in returning to the character. "The way that Lucasfilm left me in Season 2, one of the roads that could be gone down — absolutely, you'd think — would be the unfinished business," Sackhoff said of Bo-Katan in Sept. 2021. "But that is so far above my pay grade, and you just don't know, right? As a fan of the show, I'm just excited to see what they come up with."

The actor went on to discuss how she and The Clone Wars creator and The Mandalorian producer Dave Filoni have spoken about the future of the Bo-Katan.

"Dave and I talk a lot about Bo and her backstory and time lost and things like that, just because we enjoy talking about Star Wars and the characters," Sackoff said. "I definitely know a lot about who she is and where she's been and what's happened. So, yeah, I knew that kind of stuff for sure."

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If true, get ready for more Wolfaboo wanking. Imagine being so desperate you try to run two different Mando rip-off shows hoping to ape its success. It would be hilarious if Disney really did learn nothing from the ST debacle and managed to kill off its only golden goose because of SW fatigue.

 

[Captain Autism69]

They are going full DC on this no? With Arrow they had a good show, then introduced a million gay characters, who got their gay show, and Arrow just became a fucking mess and the whole thing died.

 

[Adamska]

I believe it entirely because Dave is a pathetic loser who only cares for his OCs, and he's also a loser who very clearly wants them to be "real". It's why he kept whining his way to bosses and snitched on his peers.

He's a massive fucking idiot, and it's to the point I don't even know what he did before George decided to shut him up by allowing him to write his shit fanfiction with his approval.

 

[Ishtar]

TBH I never actually saw the appeal of any of Filoni’s crap even TCW which contradicted the EU in multiple points and undermined the PT in others.

The Mandalorian is basically just a space western with a cute stuffed animal. Somehow this was enough to win back 80% of the goodwill Disney shit on with the ST.

Just so…frustrating, I’m a SW fan and all, but so much of the SW fandom has no standard whatsoever. The fact that something as atrocious as TLJ or TROS had to be made to trigger any outrage at all shows how much shit can be shoved down their throats and they’ll shout “more!” Before they stop.

 

[TinCan Wizard]

A big issue with this Disney canon is that everything is too connected. Like a bad soap opera, only spread across multiple forms of entertainment. Who is Bo Katan? Gotta watch TCW, Rebels AND Mandalorian to get the full story. Fucks sake. At least the EU had 3 time periods with consecutive sequels and stand-alone spin offs, and offered recap through most of the long book series to catch you up.
I don't like Filoni's CW either. I grew with the mid 2000s prequel material. I never liked Ahsoka, I think she's a modern example of the Scrappy trope. Besides being more child friendly the show retreaded some old EU material that makes you go ''What's the point might as well read the original good shit''.

The lack of video games is very baffling. Maybe people would warm up to your stupid sequels if they could play a nu-Xwing game fighting the FO on Starkiller. Rise of Skywalker is literally a video game fetch quest.

 

[Creep3r]

I still thought they were assholes.

They are. They're mostly motivated by xenophobia to the point where they even consider jawas (who descended from the same ancient race) to be parasites that need to be exterminated from their pure world because they ride around in giant metal monsters and defile the land. Sure you can gain their respect but it should never be easy with you having to present them a tribute like a pearl, gifts or conquer their tribe to the point where you've basically enslaved them (and even they'll still probably fuck you up if you make a wrong move), or how they literally began worshiping Anakin as the incarnation of their god of death after he killed off an entire tribe (one of the few things Disney accurately brought over and depicted in full early on back in 2015). And being helped by an outsider has always been treated as sacrilege in all tusken raider media to the point where a tusken who's helped by an outsider is either banished or forced to commit suicide to regain his honor. So the kid Boba helped should be mutilating himself right about now.

The only thing they ever show mercy to is abandoned outsider children which they adopt into their tribes to increase their numbers, like Hett and Bren. And kindness only extends to banthas and maybe their children. Sure there may be a few more tolerable bunches but they're incredibly overprotective, even in the early concept stages for ANH McQuarrie and George brainstormed them as hating all outsiders for bringing ships and ruins upon their sacred world.

Overall, tuskens are motivated by either xenophobia, honor or just plain stupidity. And the nicest tusken raiders are those who leave their tribes, like Sardu. And despite all that, KOTOR multimedia later expanded on this by attributing their religious xenophobia as being caused by the rakata invasion, thus giving them an extra dimension and actual meaning behind their cruel and backwards mentality and de-evolution.

 

[The Valeyard]

The lack of video games is very baffling. Maybe people would warm up to your stupid sequels if they could play a nu-Xwing game fighting the FO on Starkiller. Rise of Skywalker is literally a video game fetch quest.

This was because for the first several years after Disney’s acquisition of Lucasfilm they had given EA an exclusive license to produce Star Wars video games so as with EA’s sports titles they never had to put any real effort into it.

 

[Creep3r]

A big issue with this Disney canon is that everything is too connected. Like a bad soap opera, only spread across multiple forms of entertainment. Who is Bo Katan? Gotta watch TCW, Rebels AND Mandalorian to get the full story. Fucks sake. At least the EU had 3 time periods with consecutive sequels and stand-alone spin offs, and offered recap through most of the long book series to catch you up.
I don't like Filoni's CW either. I grew with the mid 2000s prequel material. I never liked Ahsoka, I think she's a modern example of the Scrappy trope. Besides being more child friendly the show retreaded some old EU material that makes you go ''What's the point might as well read the original good shit''.

The lack of video games is very baffling. Maybe people would warm up to your stupid sequels if they could play a nu-Xwing game fighting the FO on Starkiller. Rise of Skywalker is literally a video game fetch quest.

Another problem is that Disney has been pumping out way too much content in the last 7 years of their ownership, to the point where the new DisneyEU is bigger than the old one that took 30 years to fill up. Producing so much content in less than a decade just creates an even bigger mess and is somehow filled with even more inconsistencies despite promising more attention to continuity back in 2014 and so many shills at the time actually believed them. Even wookieepedo's Disney content is almost outnumbering the original stuff. And yeah, Disney has been retreading EU media extra hard as of late to the point where even PlanIX was just a rushed and shittier retelling of Dark Empire, which is ironic since a lot of shills back in 2014 claimed that Disney resetting the canon was a good thing because Dark Empire never happens, yet here we are years later with a Dark Empire knockoff and Disney shills are now playing devil's advocate for it despite how absolutely rabid they got over it years ago simply because Disney did it in live action. Even HelloGreedo had to concede a bit and say that Dark Empire now works (despite bashing it to no end in the past) but that Palpatine's revival works better in comics or novels than in films which don't offer enough time for exposition and backstory. A "my my how the tides have changed" scenario.

Unsurprisingly, the one area Disney hasn't outnumbered pre-Disney Wars media in yet is video games, but that's mostly because these morons thought it was a good idea to give EA the exclusive game rights for so many years.

 

[Ishtar]

Dark Empire is actually good, I know unpopular opinion. It furthers Luke’s story and shows his ascension towards maturity.

Also the mechanics of Palpatine’s return are clearly explained and his motivations are also explained.

TROS just did “uh like Sith science! Look no further” when in the old EU the process of essence transfer was clearly defined.

 

[Creep3r]

Dark Empire is actually good, I know unpopular opinion. It furthers Luke’s story and shows his ascension towards maturity.

Also the mechanics of Palpatine’s return are clearly explained and his motivations are also explained.

I like it as well. Although personally I prefer the audio drama over the comics myself, not that the comics aren't good; they have great art and visuals but it feels a bit rushed at times, but that's just me.

TROS just did “uh like Sith science! Look no further”

This will never not annoy the fuck out of me. And this statement is made even more idiotic because a few weeks later after PlanIX's release, Disney released a guide that said Kaminoans weren't the only cloners around even in their nucanon, but then you have the Bad Batch tie-ins say that they are and even have Filoni bombard Kamino in the show itself just to make sure all survivors belong to Palpatine to further justify that dumb scene from PlanIX, which I think only exists because the guy who said that dumb line was a friend of JJ's who wanted a role in the movie.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

A big issue with this Disney canon is that everything is too connected. Like a bad soap opera, only spread across multiple forms of entertainment. Who is Bo Katan? Gotta watch TCW, Rebels AND Mandalorian to get the full story. Fucks sake. At least the EU had 3 time periods with consecutive sequels and stand-alone spin offs, and offered recap through most of the long book series to catch you up.
I don't like Filoni's CW either. I grew with the mid 2000s prequel material. I never liked Ahsoka, I think she's a modern example of the Scrappy trope. Besides being more child friendly the show retreaded some old EU material that makes you go ''What's the point might as well read the original good shit''.

The lack of video games is very baffling. Maybe people would warm up to your stupid sequels if they could play a nu-Xwing game fighting the FO on Starkiller. Rise of Skywalker is literally a video game fetch quest.

Everything is too connected and nothing happens outside of those stories. I think about the expanded universe of the Halo series and Warhammer 40k's Horus Heresy series as examples of how to do a better universe.

The Halo series is comprised of games, books, comics, animated series, live-action films, ARGs, and audio dramas. The primary story is about the Master Chief but you have other characters like the Alpha Nine ODST team from Halo 3 ODST, the Arbiter, the Spirit of Fire crew from Halo Wars, etc. While it can get confusing at times (I remember scratching my head trying to understand the backstories of the Forerunner characters in Halo 4), it's not that incomprehensible if you understand the basics. Humanity fighting wars against aliens who are tampering with technology from an ancient advanced species that could threaten the galaxy.

The Horus Heresy series is 50+ books, audio dramas, one graphic novel, and lore from its own miniature game. If you are getting into it, you probably are a Warhammer fan and will get the references to characters and plots that originated in Warhammer 40k lore. If not, it is still an enjoyable series about a sci-fi galactic civil war. Most reading guides suggest the first 3-5 books to get the initial moves of Horus's betrayal and afterwards you can read the books that focus on specific characters/factions without much confusion. The point I make with the Horus Heresy series is that it does feel like a galactic scale war. Epic, planet-shattering battles are fought across the galaxy. Every battle is written in a way that it is still part of this war, even if none of the main characters of the Horus Heresy show up. It makes it feel like a setting; an era of war, the dying of the light and the emergence of the grimdarkness of 40k.

Disney sets up a universe in which everything relates back to the main characters/plot. They couldn't write a story about a spice smuggler trying to conduct business under the First Order unless that smuggler encountered Kylo Ren and whose profits helped to rebuild the Resistance fleet. Almost feels like Disney Star Wars doesn't take place in a galaxy far, far away, but in a single metropolitan city with how connected the characters are to each other.

 

[Cactuar King]

Even wookieepedo's Disney content is almost outnumbering the original stuff.

I find that incredibly depressing

 

[The Nothingness]

Bros, I just had a fucking revelation

Remember this scene from an all-time favorite MST3K episode? Disney Wars is now reaching that level.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

I just want to wish a happy 45th anniversary of the Complete Saga. Thank you for 45 years of memories, heart, memes, and moments.

 

[Midwit]

There are no good SW youtubers.

BattleTech fans have got it good with Tex, that's for sure. He's making whole-ass fictional documentaries and getting investigated by General Motors whilst the best we have are clickbait titles and people who's knowledge of the setting comes entirely from Wookieepedia who'll soy over whatever superficial nonsence the Mouse produced in the last few months.

I still thought they were assholes.

No matter how "noble" you make the Tuskens, they're still a bunch of savages. At least the Jawas actually have a niche and do things other than durk-durk and stick beatings.

A big issue with this Disney canon is that everything is too connected. Like a bad soap opera, only spread across multiple forms of entertainment. Who is Bo Katan? Gotta watch TCW, Rebels AND Mandalorian to get the full story. Fucks sake. At least the EU had 3 time periods with consecutive sequels and stand-alone spin offs, and offered recap through most of the long book series to catch you up.
I don't like Filoni's CW either. I grew with the mid 2000s prequel material. I never liked Ahsoka, I think she's a modern example of the Scrappy trope. Besides being more child friendly the show retreaded some old EU material that makes you go ''What's the point might as well read the original good shit''.

The lack of video games is very baffling. Maybe people would warm up to your stupid sequels if they could play a nu-Xwing game fighting the FO on Starkiller. Rise of Skywalker is literally a video game fetch quest.

A big issue with that is that the new EU content is led by TV series that are all helmed by the same team so they'll constantly reuse the same characters over and over again whereas the old EU was led by TTRPG sourcebooks and novels who are written by a bunch of people who love sci-fi and fundamentally got what Star Wars was in a way that the newer content just doesn't. The old EU had a book dedicated solely to bounty hunting (Galaxy Guide 10: Bounty Hunters) that explains, in depth, the systems and codes by which bounty hunters operate along with a good look and the Empire's legal system, and we never got anything even remotely close to it from Disney. Even when Disney tries to make that stuff they just use the old WEG material because it was so goddamn good, and also because I sincerely believe that none of the current writers (with the possible exception of Zahn) would be able to make anything like it.

Ahsoka stopped being so scrappy-ish after a while, but even then TCW is just a mediocre cartoon that's only popular because it's Star Wars and Lucas was able to pump the budget up. I'd imagine a large amount of Star Wars fans nowadays are the people who grew up watching TCW on Cartoon Network and have a serious nostalgia blindness for it and now that they're ostenisbly grown up they fawn over the "grown-up" live-action shows because they're just TCW but inside a more respectable medium.

On the video games front why the fuck did they choose EA? They just make Football Gatcha and Battlefield, as bad as they are Ubisoft really feels like it would've been the better choice since you could easily adapt the formula to a Star Wars game and I know they'd do more with it that EA ever would.

 

[Kup]

I believe it entirely because Dave is a pathetic loser who only cares for his OCs, and he's also a loser who very clearly wants them to be "real". It's why he kept whining his way to bosses and snitched on his peers.

He's a massive fucking idiot, and it's to the point I don't even know what he did before George decided to shut him up by allowing him to write his shit fanfiction with his approval.

This, Dave is as much of a parasite as Kathleen. If Dave remains you will see the classic characters replaced by his OCs, Mandalorian S2 was stabbed in throat for the sole purpose of shilling the orange whore and Bo-Katan.

If Dave was an actual storyteller with a care about the world, Ahsoka would’ve been killed by the clones or Vader

 

[make_it_so]

Tony from Analog Toys gave his thoughts on TBOBF. tldr: he's fucking done.

 

[Ghostse]

Most reading guides suggest the first 3-5 books to get the initial moves of Horus's betrayal and afterwards you can read the books that focus on specific characters/factions without much confusion.
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even if none of the main characters of the Horus Heresy show up.

I've not read any 40K books, but this right here is how you do it. You have a contained, accessible 'core' plot, and then media that spins off from that so people can focus on the stories and events that interest them. The core story can have references and name drops, but nothing outside of the 'core' should be needed
You gain additional insight into the goings on by reading the Hobbit, but its not required to follow the Lord of the Rings.

The problem Disney has is their best writing pool is on the Marvel side of the house, having assilimated Marvel culture. And in Marvel's 60 years, they've learned the art of the cross over, which is to force people to read another comic line to follow the one they like. You need to bring in big names and recycle them often so people will pick up those related books and since comics are incestuous with their demographics, odds are they will pick up a few more issues as well.

Now, I'm not shitting on the concept of Comic Books (current year shit is mostly garbage, but nothing wrong with some simple stories in an issue format) but comics are not high literature. A comic book takes a couple minutes to read, even a whole cross over story is no more than an afternoon's reading (unless is something nuts like Crisis or Skrull War). This is not like a 10-episode TV show or a series of books that sucks up your time. People will take the hour to go see how spiderman and Wolverine fight after Spidey finds Wolverine having a threesome with Aunt May and Mary Jane, but they aren't going to continually read fart wedding novels so they can understand why everyone is cheering the arrival some rock.