Global Supply Chain Crisis 2021: Megathread - A cozy thread for watching the supply chain fall apart just in time for the holidays

[Joshuan Moon]

In the winter, trees don't filter much light out due to dropping their leaves. During this time, they're also your friend, since convection is an efficient cooling process. Reducing the velocity of the wind near your house means you lose less heat to the environment. Of course, insulation matters a lot more than tree cover during the winter, but it's easier to stay warm in a forest than on a plain.

Trees are also made of wood. Wood releases heat when it is burned. Forests need managing. Chop down the dead trees and the ones too close to each other and burn the wood. Less need to use fossil fuels or electricity in winter. Trees are truly a miracle.

It's really a shame that environmentalism today means leveling mountains for "green" technologies and creating dead tinderbox forests.

 

[Sped Xing]

Because when you put $150K down on a $750K+ house, you don't want the guy across the street to destroy the value of your single most valuable asset because he decided to stop cutting his grass and rent out to Section 8.



Do you get why people would want to not have to drive for 90 minutes to get to a city, or drive 20 minutes to a shopping area?

This makes as much sense as the Lexuses rhoae lunatics drive. "When you spend far more on something than it's worth, you want to make sure you can sell it on again for a good return on your silly investment.

I understand why being close to the city is convenient, although having the mother-wit to plan your trips to town is just as well. How many visits to a city could I possibly need to make per month, after all? That's beside the point as I'm not saying it doesn't make sense to live in town if you work in that town.

I'm saying it doesn't make sense to live in a treeless hellscape in an ugly McMansion with weird, high-maintenance monoculture lawns yawning out nearly twelve feet from the roofline to the property line, at ruinous expense, all in order to abandon the property in a few years, hoping to sell it to the next yuppie dweeb with a hole in his pocket. All that, and your property rights are worth less than the merest projects jigaboo enjoys.

No, if I must live around people, give me a comfortable bungalow with long-term neighbors, trees, and at least enough space to roll out an entire slip-n-slide and no worries that I'll receive a lawsuit from a parcel of NIMBY dipshits for choosing the blue one.

 

[The Ugly One]

Trees are also made of wood. Wood releases heat when it is burned. Forests need managing. Chop down the dead trees and the ones too close to each other and burn the wood. Less need to use fossil fuels or electricity in winter. Trees are truly a miracle.

It's really a shame that environmentalism today means leveling mountains for "green" technologies and creating dead tinderbox forests.

I truly did not foresee the day when caring about basic ecological management made you "right-wing," and demanding endless rivers of industrial slurry killing off marine life in the South Pacific so that global oligopolies can deliver more shit to your shelf made you "left-wing."

This makes as much sense as the Lexuses rhoae lunatics drive. "When you spend far more on something than it's worth, you want to make sure you can sell it on again for a good return on your silly investment.

Comparing a car, which loses a double-digit percentage of value the instant you buy it, and continues to lose value no matter how much you take care of it, to real estate, which tends to hold its value, or even appreciate if the area it's in becomes more desirable, makes no sense at all.

I understand why being close to the city is convenient, although having the mother-wit to plan your trips to town is just as well. How many visits to a city could I possibly need to make per month, after all? That's beside the point as I'm not saying it doesn't make sense to live in town if you work in that town.

Before COVID, I drove to my job every day. My wife still goes to hers every day. How often do you go? I used to live in the middle of nowhere, where the nearest grocery store was 10 minutes away. It sucked. I like living somewhere where things are closer. This isn't rocket science. Living somewhere where I could buy a half acre and 2500 sq ft for the same price as the home I have would push my commute up to 25 minutes and hers up to 90. Some people do that. I don't want to spend half my life driving.

I'm saying it doesn't make sense to live in a treeless hellscape in an ugly McMansion with weird, high-maintenance monoculture lawns yawning out nearly twelve feet from the roofline to the property line, at ruinous expense, all in order to abandon the property in a few years, hoping to sell it to the next yuppie dweeb with a hole in his pocket. All that, and your property rights are worth less than the merest projects jigaboo enjoys.

They're worth substantially more. The treeless hellscape HOA burbs near me have appreciated about 35% in the last few years. One of the things pushing up the value is shitlibs in the city decided to make it de facto legal for niggers to commit petty crime.

No, if I must live around people, give me a comfortable bungalow with long-term neighbors, trees, and at least enough space to roll out an entire slip-n-slide and no worries that I'll receive a lawsuit from a parcel of NIMBY dipshits for choosing the blue one.

Your preference is your preference, not everybody's. But not being able to understand why somebody who bought a million-dollar property doesn't want to get blockbusted by some asshole who got dollar signs in his eyes over Section 8 is being deliberately dense.

 

[Joshuan Moon]

I truly did not foresee the day when caring about basic ecological management made you "right-wing," and demanding endless rivers of industrial slurry killing off marine life in the South Pacific so that global oligopolies can deliver more shit to your shelf made you "left-wing."

A clean environment is pretty much something everyone can agree on when stated generally. What's happened is that a bunch of rich people figured out they could corner a market and make themselves money by convincing half the people that the only way to achieve that is by consooming product. You end up with the consoomers thinking they're objectively in the right and the other half think those consoomers are stupid and insufferable. So they overcorrect and reject all the environment stuff and end up sounding unreasonable. Essentially you end up with a controlled opposition that says fuck the trees loud enough to drown out the reasonable people saying maybe we shouldn't cut down trees just to put in solar panels.

There's that oldish story out in California where some trees shaded a dude's yard. He installed solar knowing the trees would block them and then got the court to force his neighbors to destroy the trees due to some faggot Californian law. Fucking rage inducing that one is.

 

[Sped Xing]

Comparing a car, which loses a double-digit percentage of value the instant you buy it, and continues to lose value no matter how much you take care of it, to real estate, which tends to hold its value, or even appreciate if the area it's in becomes more desirable, makes no sense at all.

I wonder what the town fathers of Detroit would have to say about that?

Non-productive land just big enough for a house is a machine for living in, no more. Overpriced tract housing is a ponzi scheme.

Otherwise, you're trying to frame me as arguing against cities, and that's stupid. I don't understand why anyone would choose to live in one the same way I "don't understand" why someone would choose to eat licorice. Preference is inarguable.

However. I don't understand McMansion shitholes the way I "don't understand" buying Amway. I point and laugh.

 

[JustSomeDong]

Trees block sun. Sun heats house. Air conditioner cools house.

I replaced my furnace last spring, and the boss guy was saying he wished he had my electric bill after he was in my attic and saw the new insulation. With the proper insulation and large trees shading me, my combined gas/electric are about as much as when I had a small 2 bedroom all electric apartment, and now even better with the new furnace. And they'll be even better still, once I replace the shitty ancient ac unit this spring. Well, other than the overall price of gas being up, but that just makes it all the better at the end of the day that I indeed did that shit.

 

[feral cat #6385]

I definitely had Rich Peepo HOA shitholes in mind when I referred to Suburbia.

That someone has 150 grand to sling down on a down payment for a house, and chooses a tenth of an acre with an eyesore of a tract-built house nestled among scores of its exact copies, with a set of lunatic rules requiring among other things the waste of water and fertilizer on useless lawns and denying the right to paint one's own house the color one pleases-- this is what I find utterly baffling.

I get why people don't want to live in an apartment block, but can't afford to live in a rural villa.

An apartment block in a desirable area will run you more than a mortgage in a rural area. And be subject to rent increases. It's fucking disgusting.

Me personally. I opted for a townhouse outside a metropolitan area that is within half an hour of my employer. I was less than enamored with what I saw available for apartments and didn't want to buy a house closer to my employer because real estate in that area is less desirable and thus would be harder to sell when the time came. I got 2 years until I am eligible for a rather large buy out. There's plenty of jobs around where I live. If I moved to where my employer is located that would not be the case. I also saved a significant amount of money because this was a private sale. No real estate agent involved. Just me, the buyer and a couple of lawyers.

Now if we were talking a house I would opt for one that didn't have a HOA. 5-10 years from now I intend to move innawoods and write manifestos and shit. But for now I can't do that. I have to stay connected to society for a bit longer.

You realize people live in neighborhoods without HOAs and their roads still get plowed and salted and their trash picked up? Cope harder for your bad decisions that led you to living in a neighborhood where you pay for the "privilege" of being told what color your shingles are required to be. You people are like proto-bugmen.

The town isn't going to plow your driveway and shovel, and salt your doorstep. If you own a home you have to pay for trash removal and water. Those are covered by my association fee. As is mowing, landscaping, deck maintenance, paving. I am cool with paying x amount a month to not deal with any of that bullshit.

Horrible Rules:
(1) Flatten boxes when you put them in the dumpster.
(2) Move your car for plowing.
(3) Don't dig holes in the ground.
(4) Don't work on your car and have it on cinderblocks like a mong.
(5) Don't rent your place to broke ass niggers.


,,,I think this thread might have drifted off topic just a tad.

 

[George Lucas]

If you are currently not under an HOA and an HOA forms they will try to do everything possible to get you to join the HOA. Don’t do it. They’ll eventually try to trick you into thinking that it’s ‘required’ or that it’s ‘automatic’ but that’s all bullshit. If you don’t sign to join the HOA nobody can force you.

There was an internet legend of a guy who kept racking up HOA unpaid fees and violations and years later the HOA tried to nail him in court. Turned out that the property was never in the HOA and the judge fucked the HOA hard for their bullshit.

 

[Sped Xing]

An apartment block in a desirable area will run you more than a mortgage in a rural area. And be subject to rent increases. It's fucking disgusting.

Me personally. I opted for a townhouse outside a metropolitan area that is within half an hour of my employer. I was less than enamored with what I saw available for apartments and didn't want to buy a house closer to my employer because real estate in that area is less desirable and thus would be harder to sell when the time came. I got 2 years until I am eligible for a rather large buy out. There's plenty of jobs around where I live. If I moved to where my employer is located that would not be the case. I also saved a significant amount of money because this was a private sale. No real estate agent involved. Just me, the buyer and a couple of lawyers.

Now if we were talking a house I would opt for one that didn't have a HOA. 5-10 years from now I intend to move innawoods and write manifestos and shit. But for now I can't do that. I have to stay connected to society for a bit longer.

Don't let your dreams be dreams.

Move to West Virginia and grow a meth orchard.

 

[Brazen Wanker]

SO HOA-chat means the supply chain crisis is over, right?

 

[feral cat #6385]

SO HOA-chat means the supply chain crisis is over, right?

Housing is a type of supply issue. Because there isn't enough of it and a certain group with an agenda buys it all up.

I can assure you the supply chain issue is far from over and will not be any time soon. Looks like we are at half time. Supply chain discussion will resume shortly. Thank you for your patience.

 

[ArnoldPalmer]

Its possible to have a good HOA in the same way its possible to have a good government.

Correct, in the sense that there are no good governments.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

Oi mate! You got a loicense for that bucksaw?

YOU ARE JUST A DETRACTOR *cuts tree down, watches cause a chain reaction that destroys the entire neighborhood except DSP's house* "I WIN AGAIN DETRACTORS!"

 

[George Lucas]

Correct, in the sense that there are no good governments.

There are no good governments. Some are just less no good than others.

 

[Sneed's Feed And Seed]

Its possible to have a good HOA in the same way its possible to have a good government.

I don't think many people are willing to hang their old HOA leaders.

 

[JustSomeDong]

I don't think many people are willing to hang their old HOA leaders.

I've read some horror stories that make me wonder... But of course, there's the rub. You hear horror stories when shit goes tits-up, but nobody ever really hears about it when its a workable system not run by petty wannabe tyrants and the neighborhood is peaceful and drama free. But things being what they are, I wonder if there are any that work like that. Its sounds okay in theory, but so does communism, as the joke goes.

 

[Never Scored]

An apartment block in a desirable area will run you more than a mortgage in a rural area. And be subject to rent increases. It's fucking disgusting.

Me personally. I opted for a townhouse outside a metropolitan area that is within half an hour of my employer. I was less than enamored with what I saw available for apartments and didn't want to buy a house closer to my employer because real estate in that area is less desirable and thus would be harder to sell when the time came. I got 2 years until I am eligible for a rather large buy out. There's plenty of jobs around where I live. If I moved to where my employer is located that would not be the case. I also saved a significant amount of money because this was a private sale. No real estate agent involved. Just me, the buyer and a couple of lawyers.

Now if we were talking a house I would opt for one that didn't have a HOA. 5-10 years from now I intend to move innawoods and write manifestos and shit. But for now I can't do that. I have to stay connected to society for a bit longer.


The town isn't going to plow your driveway and shovel, and salt your doorstep. If you own a home you have to pay for trash removal and water. Those are covered by my association fee. As is mowing, landscaping, deck maintenance, paving. I am cool with paying x amount a month to not deal with any of that bullshit.

Horrible Rules:
(1) Flatten boxes when you put them in the dumpster.
(2) Move your car for plowing.
(3) Don't dig holes in the ground.
(4) Don't work on your car and have it on cinderblocks like a mong.
(5) Don't rent your place to broke ass niggers.


,,,I think this thread might have drifted off topic just a tad.

You can't dig a hole? What in the fuck? What if you need to replace a fencepost or plant something or pull a stump? Don't work on your car? What? What if I just need to replace the battery or change the oil? What's the point of owning a house if you're not allowed to do anything? In what sense is it yours?

This is some of the most cucked consoomer grade shit I've ever read. $750,000 and you're not even allowed to change your oil in your own driveway because Gladys Kravitz across the way might get upset. Fucking lol

 

[feral cat #6385]

You can't dig a hole? What in the fuck? What if you need to replace a fencepost or plant something or pull a stump? Don't work on your car? What? What if I just need to replace the battery or change the oil? What's the point of owning a house if you're not allowed to do anything? In what sense is it yours?

This is some of the most cucked consoomer grade shit I've ever read. $750,000 and you're not even allowed to change your oil in your own driveway because Gladys Kravitz across the way might get upset. Fucking lol

Don't need to dig a hole. It's a town house. And its nowhere near $750,000. Significantly less than half that.

 

[Never Scored]

Don't need to dig a hole. It's a town house. And its nowhere near $750,000. Significantly less than half that.

Bro, my house was under $200,000 and I'm allowed to dig as many holes as I want.

 

[Hippopatumus]

It's a town house.

Hahahahahahahaha.