Feminism and the LGBT Community with Respect to Transgenderism - A vain (and autistic) attempt to improve Tranny Sideshows

[Lovecraft's Cat]

I disagree with you that agps were more rare. They were just called something else and weren't part of the trans umbrella, yet.

Basically, you're conflating transsexual with transvestite. Keep in mind, in the 60s and before, there was no transgender. You either had transsexuals, which were primarily hsts, or transvestite/cross-dressers, which can now be called agps. Also, Blanchard didn't come up with his typology of transsexualism until the 80s.

With that in mind, transsexuals back in the day were primarily homosexuals, while most cross dressers were straight men with humiliation fetishes.

It wasn't until current era, that we have the trans umbrella, where everything, transsexual and transvestite, are literally the same thing (transgender).
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"Gay men didn't start the trans movement because semantics"

There is overlap with transvetites and AGP, though yes, there are some distinctions. I would like to point out that I have yet to seen any woman get off on the fact she's wearing men's clothes and/or underwear. Even on the r/FTMs sites, I have yet to hear any of them getting aroused because they put on a men's suit, or are prancing around in tighty whiteys. Usually, TIFs claim "omg really feeling my masculinity now bros!"

There is also a lot of transvestites now proclaiming themselves women. Becacuse paraphilias only get more extreme, they never lessen or disappear, and with now proclaiming yourself a trans woman is praised by society, no matter what your reasons are.

For the love of all things good, do not engage with this guy. Don't start a slap fight.

 

[Putin Bot]

For the love of all things good, do not engage with this guy. Don't start a slap fight.

I wasn't trying to start a slap fight. I was simply giving a rebuttal because I found their post to be extremely ignorant and trying to muddle the waters of the overlap between transvestites and AGPs.

 

[Hitleriffic!]

Took some time off, then came back to the Tranny Sideshows in Social Media thread. It's become an absolute shitshow with posters mentioning that they're a terf every other post. I get that KF isn't a chan, but this is what happens when women get taken seriously without posting their tits first.

 

[B2_Spirit]

I can't take a blanket approach to trannyism. I've met trannies that it's just easier to accept what they are because they absolutely are feminine or masculine or whatever. If you forced them to be what they were born as they'd be just as awkward because it's not in their brain or ability to act as expected. And if they make the effort to fit in and behave with some general civility, fine. It doesn't impact me or others. So I don't care.
The grifter and predator types like Yaniv, whose entire "effort" is putting on a bad wig so they can creep on kids, can fuck off. The marxists trying to force trannyism in schools can also fuck off. I don't equate these two necessarily with the former, although it's understandable at the moment under current conditions.

 

[Marvin]

I've met trannies that it's just easier to accept what they are because they absolutely are feminine or masculine or whatever. If you forced them to be what they were born as they'd be just as awkward because it's not in their brain or ability to act as expected.

There's no evidence base that suggests something immutable in troon brains that's different from any other garden variety femme homosexual man (same for FTMs). Well other than narcissism and other personality disorders, but that crops up in all kinds of people for all kinds of reasons.

There shouldn't be anything wrong with being a feminine man or a masculine woman. If we're not at that place yet as a society (I think we mostly are and trannies are just emotional children, but for the sake of argument), then that's what we should be working to fix. Indulging trannies causes much worse problems in lieu of addressing the underlying issue, intolerance for gender nonconformity.

 

[Notorious AGP]

I wasn't sure where to post this, but the male feminist in a nutshell:

Spoiler

And this transcel's insane self-hating rant:

https://archive.md/SqgeX

 

[Zyklon Ben's Poison Pen]

There's no evidence base that suggests something immutable in troon brains that's different from any other garden variety femme homosexual man (same for FTMs). Well other than narcissism and other personality disorders, but that crops up in all kinds of people for all kinds of reasons.

Sort of suggests its a societal problem doesn't it?

Other young mice growing into adulthood exhibited an even different type of behavior. Dr. Calhoun called these individuals “the beautiful ones.” Their time was devoted solely to grooming, eating and sleeping. They never involved themselves with others, engaged in sex, nor would they fight. All appeared [outwardly] as a beautiful exhibit of the species with keen, alert eyes and a healthy, well-kept body. These mice, however, could not cope with unusual stimuli. Though they looked inquisitive, they were in fact, very stupid.

Its been suggested that its spurious to compare human empire to the Mouse Utopia...buuuut....

 

[Ser Prize]

I wasn't sure where to post this, but the male feminist in a nutshell:

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Spoiler

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And this transcel's insane self-hating rant:

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https://archive.md/SqgeX

It's a shame seeing a girl with such a great body wasting it all with the dumb ethot shit.

 

[thegooddoctor]

Took some time off, then came back to the Tranny Sideshows in Social Media thread. It's become an absolute shitshow with posters mentioning that they're a terf every other post. I get that KF isn't a chan, but this is what happens when women get taken seriously without posting their tits first.

I was absolutely blasted 2 days ago on that thread just because I wanted to know the actual opinions on real non lolcow trans people as a whole. Everyone there seems to think that every single trans person is like the mentally ill perverts that are lolcows, they didn’t even offer up the possibility that were even a single or few normal people with legitimate body issues who are basically good people at heart. I feel ur frustration.

 

[Mountain Gorilla]

I was absolutely blasted 2 days ago on that thread just because I wanted to know the actual opinions on real non lolcow trans people as a whole. Everyone there seems to think that every single trans person is like the mentally ill perverts that are lolcows, they didn’t even offer up the possibility that were even a single or few normal people with legitimate body issues who are basically good people at heart. I feel ur frustration.

This is an interesting interpretation of the exchange.

 

[thegooddoctor]

This is an interesting interpretation of the exchange.

What do you mean exactly? Where you on that same thread?

 

[Marvin]

Everyone there seems to think that every single trans person is like the mentally ill perverts that are lolcows, they didn’t even offer up the possibility that were even a single or few normal people with legitimate body issues who are basically good people at heart. I feel ur frustration.

That's not how I saw the discussion. The vast majority of posters said that most trannies either have shitty personalities directly or are sucked into the cult and act as foot soldiers for the group which collectively cheers on and encourages shitty personality traits.

Emphasis on "most trannies". In that thread, almost no one was saying "all trannies".

And I believe that to be a fair evaluation of the trans community.

This was always kind of true, but it's only become more indisputable since self ID was made the (at least social) law of the land.

 

[Lovecraft's Cat]

I was absolutely blasted 2 days ago on that thread just because I wanted to know the actual opinions on real non lolcow trans people as a whole. Everyone there seems to think that every single trans person is like the mentally ill perverts that are lolcows, they didn’t even offer up the possibility that were even a single or few normal people with legitimate body issues who are basically good people at heart. I feel ur frustration.

That's kinda a problem with the thread; everyone on it is waaaaay to emotionally invested into the trans debate. It's gotten to the point that probably a third of the posts are just people whinging about how much they hate trans people. I completely understand where they're coming from, after all I also hate how they can get away with all sorts of really objectionable things, but they just keep saying the same shit time and time again.
That being said: did you seriously think posting something that is kinda sympathetic towards trans people would go over well in a famously anti-trans thread?

 

[thegooddoctor]

That's not how I saw the discussion. The vast majority of posters said that most trannies either have shitty personalities directly or are sucked into the cult and act as foot soldiers for the group which collectively cheers on and encourages shitty personality traits.

Emphasis on "most trannies". In that thread, almost no one was saying "all trannies".

And I believe that to be a fair evaluation of the trans community.

This was always kind of true, but it's only become more indisputable since self ID was made the (at least social) law of the land.

Well the way they act makes it seem like they think trannies are the Antichrist with the amount of vitriol they hold towards them on a day by day basis. I still think that this site sometimes misses the point and the are deliberately choosing the worst or most notorious cases of degeneracy in the transgender community. I’m not denying that there isn’t a lot of that and some terrible people in the community, trust me I know how disgusting and unpleasant a lot can be. But I have had conversations and met some genuinely nice and relatively grounded trans people I’ve et he years that are well aware of how controversial many are and are deeply saddened by them and think they give trans people a bad name.

It’s just what irks me is that all of what they’re saying seems to mostly just boil down to ‘herp huuuuh I hate trans people, they are the devil, any man who wants a vagina or any woman who wants a dick is automatically the third reich’ it gets tiresome extremely quickly. Like c’mon they can’t be this stupid.

 

[Akumaten]

I've come to the realization and vindication that feminist are just college made pimps.
That and sodomites also hate women as well so they correlate.

 

[Ser Prize]

Well the way they act makes it seem like they think trannies are the Antichrist with the amount of vitriol they hold towards them on a day by day basis. I still think that this site sometimes misses the point and the are deliberately choosing the worst or most notorious cases of degeneracy in the transgender community. I’m not denying that there isn’t a lot of that and some terrible people in the community, trust me I know how disgusting and unpleasant a lot can be. But I have had conversations and met some genuinely nice and relatively grounded trans people I’ve et he years that are well aware of how controversial many are and are deeply saddened by them and think they give trans people a bad name.

It’s just what irks me is that all of what they’re saying seems to mostly just boil down to ‘herp huuuuh I hate trans people, they are the devil, any man who wants a vagina or any woman who wants a dick is automatically the third reich’ it gets tiresome extremely quickly. Like c’mon they can’t be this stupid.

Trannies are a mental disorder. A harmful set of beliefs and programming that does irreversible damage to them and those around them. If you genuinely want to help these people you need to stop playing along. What you're doing is like agreeing to an anorexic that they're fat and need liposuction.

 

[Marvin]

But I have had conversations and met some genuinely nice and relatively grounded trans people I’ve et he years that are well aware of how controversial many are and are deeply saddened by them and think they give trans people a bad name.

The problem is that even the "good" trans people contribute to some really awful trends.

I'd be more sympathetic to the concept of "good" trans people if I believed they existed in significant amounts, but they really don't.

Like, so, to start off, I don't expect a "good" trans person to sacrifice themselves a la Buck Angel or Blaire White. Going public criticizing the trans nonsense is extremely dangerous for basically anyone and I don't judge people for not doing that.

However, I do expect "good" trans people to be generally knowledgeable about the issues. I expect them to understand transwomen aren't actually women. I expect them to understand the importance of sex segregated spaces. I expect them to be educated on the fact that the evidence for medical transitioning as a treatment for gender dysphoria is inconclusive, at best (and frankly, the evidence is leaning closer to it being this generation's lobotomy). I expect for them to refrain from comparing themselves to people with legitimate medical conditions, like DSDs. ... I can keep going on and on with this.

Polite trans people who aren't pushy do exist. But they still believe in stupid shit, vote for stupid shit, and let people do stupid shit in their name.

Like, I've talked to "good" trans people, felt satisfied they weren't (immediately) shitheads, but then sat through some company diversity meeting or talked to them about some issue and the tranny nonsense inevitably crops up again. Don't get me wrong, it's never anything particularly extreme, but still small, harmful little things. Like "well idk he identifies as a woman, let him into the women's bathroom" or "I totally support intersex people, the trans community is awful to them. BTW I've always been kinda girly, maybe I'm not really trans... Maybe I'm intersex??"

These things are to trannies as what "acktually that is technically ephebophilia " is to neckbeards.

"Good" trans people, unless they've been completely and utterly peaked, always slide back into shittiness.

Try it yourself. Don't just take my word for it, talk to some of your good trans friends. Do they think they're actually women? Do they think they should have access to women's spaces? Do they think trans people are murdered more often than normal people?

I genuinely think less than 1% of trannies would answer no to all three of these questions. Not just 1% of lolcow troons, I mean all trannies.

That's the flaw with the "good" tranny theory.

Now, all that aside, I'm totally sympathetic to people with gender dysphoria. I would hope they could get help. Legitimate help though, which the medical system currently doesn't offer. (and there's attempts to outlaw therapy addressing GD under the umbrella of "conversion therapy")

 

[Harbinger of Kali Yuga]

The problem is that even the "good" trans people contribute to some really awful trends.

I'd be more sympathetic to the concept of "good" trans people if I believed they existed in significant amounts, but they really don't.

Like, so, to start off, I don't expect a "good" trans person to sacrifice themselves a la Buck Angel or Blaire White. Going public criticizing the trans nonsense is extremely dangerous for basically anyone and I don't judge people for not doing that.

However, I do expect "good" trans people to be generally knowledgeable about the issues. I expect them to understand transwomen aren't actually women. I expect them to understand the importance of sex segregated spaces. I expect them to be educated on the fact that the evidence for medical transitioning as a treatment for gender dysphoria is inconclusive, at best (and frankly, the evidence is leaning closer to it being this generation's lobotomy). I expect for them to refrain from comparing themselves to people with legitimate medical conditions, like DSDs. ... I can keep going on and on with this.

Polite trans people who aren't pushy do exist. But they still believe in stupid shit, vote for stupid shit, and let people do stupid shit in their name.

Like, I've talked to "good" trans people, felt satisfied they weren't (immediately) shitheads, but then sat through some company diversity meeting or talked to them about some issue and the tranny nonsense inevitably crops up again. Don't get me wrong, it's never anything particularly extreme, but still small, harmful little things. Like "well idk he identifies as a woman, let him into the women's bathroom" or "I totally support intersex people, the trans community is awful to them. BTW I've always been kinda girly, maybe I'm not really trans... Maybe I'm intersex??"

These things are to trannies as what "acktually that is technically ephebophilia " is to neckbeards.

"Good" trans people, unless they've been completely and utterly peaked, always slide back into shittiness.

Try it yourself. Don't just take my word for it, talk to some of your good trans friends. Do they think they're actually women? Do they think they should have access to women's spaces? Do they think trans people are murdered more often than normal people?

I genuinely think less than 1% of trannies would answer no to all three of these questions. Not just 1% of lolcow troons, I mean all trannies.

That's the flaw with the "good" tranny theory.

Now, all that aside, I'm totally sympathetic to people with gender dysphoria. I would hope they could get help. Legitimate help though, which the medical system currently doesn't offer. (and there's attempts to outlaw therapy addressing GD under the umbrella of "conversion therapy")

I'd be far more willing to give trannies more accommodations if every single person from my youth that went tranny wasn't also incidentally the worst, most compulsively narcissistic backstabbing liars.

 

[Wyciwe]

I was absolutely blasted 2 days ago on that thread just because I wanted to know the actual opinions on real non lolcow trans people as a whole. Everyone there seems to think that every single trans person is like the mentally ill perverts that are lolcows, they didn’t even offer up the possibility that were even a single or few normal people with legitimate body issues who are basically good people at heart. I feel ur frustration.

Well the way they act makes it seem like they think trannies are the Antichrist with the amount of vitriol they hold towards them on a day by day basis. I still think that this site sometimes misses the point and the are deliberately choosing the worst or most notorious cases of degeneracy in the transgender community. I’m not denying that there isn’t a lot of that and some terrible people in the community, trust me I know how disgusting and unpleasant a lot can be. But I have had conversations and met some genuinely nice and relatively grounded trans people I’ve et he years that are well aware of how controversial many are and are deeply saddened by them and think they give trans people a bad name.

It’s just what irks me is that all of what they’re saying seems to mostly just boil down to ‘herp huuuuh I hate trans people, they are the devil, any man who wants a vagina or any woman who wants a dick is automatically the third reich’ it gets tiresome extremely quickly. Like c’mon they can’t be this stupid.

Think about what it is you're actually saying, good people with the obsessive need to pretended their the opposite sex. Even the phrase "man who wants a vagina" or "woman who wants a penis" is so stunningly disordered its amazing you think your the sole clear headed person in the tranny debate. The tru tranny sector shows that society is still sexist, still holding gender roles to be inherent. A masculine woman or feminine man will be considered wrong and not a variation of women and men respectively, I get it, but this a reason for their issues not an excuse. Is it their fault they were told this? No, but it is absolutely their fault for taking it seriously and giving in.

This is always pointed out but how is this different from the crazies who want a limb removed or to be be deliberately blinded because they "feel" like they should have been born that way. Good hearted or good natured, whatever, the mental illness required to think such things is unnerving, and frankly repulsive, genuine transphobia is the same as genuine schizophrenia phobia. The obsessive thoughts that are the basis of "legitimate bodies issues" whatever the fuck that even means are not normal and no healthy society would not only glaze over them but fucking give into those delusions. Buck angel still thinks her dating men is gay, and still whines about being correctly sexed. Scratch a quote unquote good tranny and you'll find illogical thoughts and refusal to live in the confines of material reality. Excusing and going along with it is immoral.

 

[thegooddoctor]

Think about what it is you're actually saying, good people with the obsessive need to pretended their the opposite sex. Even the phrase "man who wants a vagina" or "woman who wants a penis" is so stunningly disordered its amazing you think your the sole clear headed person in the tranny debate. The tru tranny sector shows that society is still sexist, still holding gender roles to be inherent. A masculine woman or feminine man will be considered wrong and not a variation of women and men respectively, I get it, but this a reason for their issues not an excuse. Is it their fault they were told this? No, but it is absolutely their fault for taking it seriously and giving in.

This is always pointed out but how is this different from the crazies who want a limb removed or to be be deliberately blinded because they "feel" like they should have been born that way. Good hearted or good natured, whatever, the mental illness required to think such things is unnerving, and frankly repulsive, genuine transphobia is the same as genuine schizophrenia phobia. The obsessive thoughts that are the basis of "legitimate bodies issues" whatever the fuck that even means are not normal and no healthy society would not only glaze over them but fucking give into those delusions. Buck angel still thinks her dating men is gay, and still whines about being correctly sexed. Scratch a quote unquote good tranny and you'll find illogical thoughts and refusal to live in the confines of material reality. Excusing and going along with it is immoral.

Well if that is the case, why is your hatred on the minority here, the better part of Normie society are generally trying to push for this new movement and trying to make things better for those that feel legitimate body issues? Is every person, the hundreds of thousands or millions that do support it or aren’t against it and just are like ‘yeah alright this is good’ and think it’s a positive step towards tolerance automatically wrong? Does it make all the celebs and intelligent people with years of experience who support retard because they respect trans people. If Oprah or Brian Cox or some big league scientist says ‘I support trans rights’ does that automatically make them a retard and diminish all their credibility and achievements? No of course it fucking doesn’t.

The main issue here is the way people on the farms think that they have the right opinion on such a complex issue and know what’s right for the world,when it is literally (mostly) accepted by the general population and it’s support it’s currently growing in mainstream media. Books, tv shows movies, musicians and support from LGBT groups and celebs and powerful organisations vouching for them and improving their rights on a daily basis. What does the opinions of only a few thousand oddities on some obscure lolcow website going to do to change all that? Should we undo years of progress for perhaps a million or so people just because arrogant people on an already controversial website says so? Of course not that’ll never happen. There are hundreds of people leaps and bounds smarter on anyone this site that support trans people and don’t think they’re all monsters , they don’t need to take advice from a weird community that’s mostly right wing and don’t have that much power in the grand scheme of things.

TLR- stop playing God and acting like you are the ultimate authority on the way society should be, you don’t have to like trans people, you can even loathe them, but don’t hope that they’ll all one day just go away and stop because it won’t. It’s a movement with continued support in society and is only for owing by the day, if you don’t like it, then well too ducking bad, suck it up and move on