Canadian Truckers Convoy 2022 - The Leaf calls you a Nazi as he gasses you

[Burgerasssand]

Well I think they both agree the system's fucked but can't agree about what's wrong with it. All I know is that without the capital letters I read BrokLesnerd as Brokle Snerd and that amuses me too much.

The problem with the system is that I’m not in charge of it, if I was everything would be good.

 

[b0x]

No. There is no value in the argument that self ownership should be regulated by the state. Any such regulation nullifies the concept of self ownership.

Er, don't we participate in our stuff that's regulated by the state? I mean you have the state to (in spirit) act as the neutral arbiter to say this land and it's stuff is yours through deeds and titles and car registration and all that stuff?

 

[LurkTrawl]

No. There is no value in the argument that self ownership should be regulated by the state. Any such regulation nullifies the concept of self ownership.

What they're arguing although I disagree with the explicit construction of it is at heart the idea that companies cannot inherently be trusted to not get up to shenanigans. Where I think you make a good point is that the megacorps we see today are only possible in a highly regulated and competition-controlled environment in which they can punish the competition and better weather their hardships through government interference.

Where I think you're both missing the plot is that the inherent problem lies not in regulation but the government getting in bed and involved with each other. They need to be separate and if actual positive change that would please both of you were to occur in regards to the current status quo it'd have to involve some form of regulation on the government and it's employees to restrict money coming in from private interests. It's not that regulation is bad but I think it's pointed in the absolute wrong direction.

 

[LeChampion1992]

@LeChampion1992
I only said a private citizen doesn't have to serve you. if we all live under the government we all have should have the same rules apply. and a gov's duty is to protect property rights of its citizens. Wars, disasters and somthing like smallpox can all be classified as an emergency i only advocate extreme caution in giving the government power and not making it crystal the limits. i'm no ancap just like HHH's critique of the state. hoppe knew his shit

The role of the government is this to maintain the rule of law, aquire taxation, draw borders on the map, and defend the nations interest. It can also be used to promote a more positive general welfare.

I'm more of a conservative fusionist/bernsteinst. We have to understand the rule of nap should apply generally but public and rare exceptions which should be given rare examples apply. National security should Trump ideology and even economic principle's. It might be better to subsidize important food supply inside the nation or key supply chain components. It would be good to keep most auto factories within the states in a time of war when they can manufacture tanks, and etc.

But the state should also make sure these wars are not permanent wars ie wars against a nation or a civil war that is too dangerous to establish any sense of a peaceful normalcy for such measures.

 

[z0mb0]

The problem with the system is that I’m not in charge of it, if I was everything would be good.

you've been a reasonable poster so far. i'll allow it,....just ugh how many died in the holocaust?

 

[Burgerasssand]

you've been a reasonable poster so far. i'll allow it,....just ugh how many died in the holocaust?

Jews?

 

[z0mb0]

The role of the government is this to maintain the rule of law, aquire taxation, draw borders on the map, and defend the nations interest. It can also be used to promote a more positive general welfare.

I'm more of a conservative fusionist/bernsteinst. We have to understand the rule of nap should apply generally but public and rare exceptions which should be given rare examples apply. National security should Trump ideology and even economic principle's. It might be better to subsidize important food supply inside the nation or key supply chain components. It would be good to keep most auto factories within the states in a time of war when they can manufacture tanks, and etc.

We're not disagreeing here. It's in my self interest to make sure my property myself included are safe and not living in a war torn niggercattle nation where i can do voluntary business.

Jews?

yes.

 

[b0x]

Where I think you're both missing the plot is that the inherent problem lies not in regulation but the government getting in bed and involved with each other. They need to be separate and if actual positive change that would please both of you were to occur in regards to the current status quo it'd have to involve some form of regulation on the government and it's employees to restrict money coming in from private interests. It's not that regulation is bad but I think it's pointed in the absolute wrong direction.

It's a nice thought but it won't happen. Humans are fragile people and eventually over time enough of them succumb to offers. Maybe this is simply the cycle of Governments. They eventually enter a phase where the Governing body becomes so corrupt and self serving, and the people are so oppressed and disenfranchised, the people rise up, the system collapses, and then the cycle starts over.

 

[incelistan]

Also to end my ‘everyone point and laugh at stupid Communists’ rant the next time you meet one ask them how Marx saw Communism coming about? Answer: he never figured it out. He decided it would be helped along by The Party somehow but not how capitalism would fail or what the superior Collectivist system would look like before he croaked. Result: there is no one standard set for what a successful Communist government is supposed to be BECAUSE NO ONE FINISHED THE FUCKING THEORY BEFORE IMPLEMENTING IT. This has led to hilarious times like the holodomor, the Great Leap Forward, the famines of North Korea, and can’t forget those fun times in glorious Venezuela. So yeah capitalism may not be the best system in the world and I won’t be one to rah rah for it but anyone past a teenager wearing a Che Guevara shirt is a laughable loser.

Marx did that somewhat intentionally, he liked to distinguish himself from 'utopian socialism' which focused on imagining utopian societies and setting forth how they should work. The idea was that the communist's role wasn't to set out the minutiae of a future society, but to allow the future to determine this, although Marx went too far with this. Hence, statements like, "Communism is for us not a state of affairs which is to be established, an ideal to which reality will have to adjust itself." This is quite retarded, as you say, but it is by design. The theory is deliberately 'unfinished,' and actually tries very hard to dissuade anyone from finishing it.

Marx also made dumb comments about the Russian peasant commune forming a way to fast-track Russia into industralised communism, something that obviously was of little practical use to the Bolsheviks.

In terms of the fall of capitalism, Marx did vaguely suggest that it might be due to a crisis caused by a falling rate of profit:

These contradictions, of course, lead to explosions, crises, in which momentary suspension of all labour and annihilation of a great part of the capital violently lead it back to the point where it is enabled [to go on] fully employing its productive powers without committing suicide. Yet, these regularly recurring catastrophes lead to their repetition on a higher scale, and finally to its violent overthrow.

This is still not particularly specific. Marx's vision is slightly Luddite, basically that the increase of technological development and machinery ('constant capital') displaces labour, the creator of value, and therefore leads to an overall economic diminution. This theory is mostly outdated, but most Marxists aren't even aware that it exists, they just think that communism is 'inevitable' because 'the people united can never be defeated' or w/e.

In practice, Marxists generally took power by taking advantage of ongoing wars (Bolsheviks) and independence movements, though such Marxism has stalled somewhat since the collapse of the USSR. Even the tame Paris Commune was a result of a war. Since Marxism is amorphous, obviously people didn't have to care much about the details once they took power. Radicals taking advantage of a war to come to power has little relation to Marx's theory of inevitable social collapse, and there are plenty of examples of such things in the Middle East, Nazi Germany, and elsewhere without much 'Marxism' involved.

Marxism is quite amorphous, but some Marxists will make a lot of fuss about how it's 'classless and stateless,' and everyone owns the means of production in common. Obviously, if 'everyone' owns the means of production, a state or government will be needed to legislate that I can't just go up to a workplace and steal a guy's hammer or wreck machines because I 'own' them. So this kind of definition is barely more specific. In general, Marxism is sort of like a prototype of the modern grifter's ideology, it can mean almost anything to anyone and basically says, 'Have a revolution and put us in power, then we'll find out what we want.' It basically allows them to claim utopian ideals without actually bothering to commit to them, and then blame social problems after their revolution on counter-revolutionary kulaks.

It's a bit strange that Marx's view on communism was so vague, because his long criticism of the "Jewish nigger" Lassalle goes into such detail as to speculate about the minutiae of Lassalle's origins:

It is now quite plain to me — as the shape of his head and the way his hair grows also testify — that he is descended from the negroes who accompanied Moses’ flight from Egypt (unless his mother or paternal grandmother interbred with a nigger). Now, this blend of Jewishness and Germanness, on the one hand, and basic negroid stock, on the other, must inevitably give rise to a peculiar product. The fellow’s importunity is also nigger-like.

(This passage may be somewhat influenced by Marx's interest in phrenology.)

In fact, some of his early writings could also be somewhat pointed:

We recognize in Judaism, therefore, a general anti-social element of the present time, an element which through historical development – to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed – has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily begin to disintegrate.

[...]

Judaism could not create a new world; it could only draw the new creations and conditions of the world into the sphere of its activity, because practical need, the rationale of which is self-interest, is passive and does not expand at will, but finds itself enlarged as a result of the continuous development of social conditions.

However, even here he concludes with some vague platitude where the abolition of huckstering and money will abolish the Jewish problem and the influence of egoistic self-interest, and the Russian Revolution is a good enough example of how communist revolution is insufficient to prevent an egoistic Party from taking power into its own hands.

 

[Burgerasssand]

We're not disagreeing here. It's in my self interest to make sure my property myself included are safe and not living in a war torn niggercattle nation where i can do voluntary business.

yes.

I’d have to say like 2 to 2 and a half mil tops, maybe even less. 6 is too many, how are you supposed to run ur factories if you just kill all the Jews?

 

[Dude Snakes]

you've been a reasonable poster so far. i'll allow it,....just ugh how many died in the holocaust?

he has been here longer than you lol

 

[LeChampion1992]

We're not disagreeing here. It's in my self interest to make sure my property myself included are safe and not living in a war torn niggercattle nation where i can do voluntary business.

yes.

I feel like lolberts and people who disagree with them talk over each other. Like government outside of a few narrow roles shouldn't be in every facet of life. But at the same time we can't have a actual functioning ancapistan without some sort of authoritarian strong man or group of men behind the scenes making sure things are running smoothly.

Just ignore that nigger, too.

What did I do to deserve this buddy guy.

 

[z0mb0]

I’d have to say like 2 to 2 and a half mil tops, maybe even less. 6 is too many, how are you supposed to run ur factories if you just kill all the Jews?

OOOOOOOOO close.

he has been here longer than you lol

I'm not throwing my hat in to be in charge

 

[LurkTrawl]

It's a nice thought but it won't happen. Humans are fragile people and eventually over time enough of them succumb to offers. Maybe this is simply the cycle of Governments. They eventually enter a phase where the Governing body becomes so corrupt and self serving, and the people are so oppressed and disenfranchised, the people rise up, the system collapses, and then the cycle starts over.

That's quite literally what has happened to every empire as far as I'm aware. Recognizing the problem is part of solving it, and if you're too busy talking past one another to solve it then identifying the problem becomes meaningless.

 

[z0mb0]

I feel like lolberts and people who disagree with them talk over each other. Like government outside of a few narrow roles shouldn't be in every facet of life. But at the same time we can't have a actual functioning ancapistan without some sort of authoritarian strong man or group of men behind the scenes making sure things are running smoothly.

I'm not disagreeing. I'm fine with limited state power within the nation but allowing for a lattice work to let people uplift themselves and for enforcing and defending rights and contracts while externally it to externally act as the agent of it's citizenry. Theres strong men and planners at the top of every system i'd rather they not be on such stable ground they decide they can subvert those rights is all not get rid of a natural part of how we work as a species.

 

[b0x]

Recognizing the problem is part of solving it, and if you're too busy talking past one another to solve it then identifying the problem becomes meaningless.

How do you solve what seems to come to Humanity naturally?

 

[Burgerasssand]

OOOOOOOOO close.

I'm not throwing my hat in to be in charge

1 and a half mil?

 

[z0mb0]

1 and a half mil?

now now you had your guess.

But for real anyone got an IG or LinkedIn? because the tow company that pulled some of the trucks out shit is like two pages back

 

[Mans Holeman]

I've always imagined humans running civilizations to be like very intelligent apes trying to maintain an incredibly complex machine. Eventually those hairy fuckers ruin it some how. Either they get feces in the gears or one of them gets cocky and gets swept up by a conveyor belt. When governments collapse it's like the machine has finally exploded, killing the clever apes. All of you here are debating over how best to keep pubic hair and banana peels out of our precious machines. This probably sounds retarded but it amuses me.

 

[SCSI]

now now you had your guess.

But for real anyone got an IG or LinkedIn? because the tow company that pulled some of the trucks out shit is like two pages back

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Word of the city needing heavy tow services has been spreading through Ontario towing companies, but they aren’t interested in sending staff into what politicians have characterized as a “siege” and “insurrection” that’s choking the city’s core.

City officials have been calling around to towing companies and other Ontario municipalities, looking for any heavy tow trucks that could be sent to Ottawa.

Even towing companies that competed to be priority suppliers for the City of Ottawa are declining to help during the state of emergency, the city says.

The city has five standing offer lists tailored for specific reasons. The list used by bylaw services to tow illegally parked cars has two providers: Ottawa Metro Towing and Recovery and Gervais Motors. The Ottawa police-specific standing offer list has Ottawa Metro Towing and Recovery and Metro Towing and Recovery.

Dave Parent, fleet manager at Ottawa Metro Towing and Recovery, said: “We will not be towing any lawful protestors from the downtown core as long as they remain peaceful.”

Someone identifying himself as an operations manager who picked up the phone at Gervais on Tuesday morning said, “We don’t have any comments at this time.”

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On Monday night, city manager Steve Kanellakos said staff had contacted companies on the standing offers list to provide heavy tow truck work and all had refused.