Plagued COVID Conspiracy Theorists and other idiots - This is not a political thunderdome or gay slapfight thread.

PeckingOrder said:
Ben Franklin? The same Benjamin Franklin who advocated for and defended the smallpox vaccine and deeply and bitterly regretted that he was unable to inoculate his son before smallpox got him when he was just 4? If he were alive today he’d eloquently call out every antivaxxer for the idiots they are.
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Here's a primary source of him saying such:
Understanding ’tis a current Report, that my Son Francis, who died lately of the Small Pox, had it by Inoculation; and being desired to satisfy the Publick in that Particular; inasmuch as some People are, by that Report (join’d with others of the like kind, and perhaps equally groundless) deter’d from having that Operation perform’d on their Children, I do hereby sincerely declare, that he was not inoculated, but receiv’d the Distemper in the common Way of Infection: And I suppose the Report could only arise from its being my known Opinion, that Inoculation was a safe and beneficial Practice; and from my having said among my Acquaintance, that I intended to have my Child inoculated, as soon as he should have recovered sufficient Strength from a Flux with which he had been long afflicted.
 
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redcent said:
Over here for the longest time the news was sponsored by a dishwashing liquid. "concentrate and save!" guess the media was brainwashing us the whole time to have clean dishes. Oh noes.

Meanwhile, just found out some medication I take is made by pfizer. So, guess I owe my health to them?
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I know you are only playing the fool at the behest of your masters but you do fit into the role given to you all too easily. Allow me to spell it out for you as simply as I can:

Tim is hanging out on his porch on a summer day looking for something to do. His friend Sam shows up as always to gossip about the latest happenings in the neighborhood. Tim tells him he is bored. Sam tells Tim he has a solution - for $20 he will sell Tim a big red ball and not only that but playing with it is the most enjoyable activity you can partake in he promises.

However something troubles Tim and that something is the shirt Sam is wearing that displays an ad for the very same big red ball. When asked Sam explains that the company that makes the balls paid him to wear the shirt and gave him several balls for free.

This is what we call a conflict of interest, and I know you don't understand what that means because this came up once before in a little movement called GamerGate and you didn't understand it then. But I think if I give you the definition now you might be overloaded with information so let's save that for next time.

Oh and I must of missed the year that a brand of dishwashing liquid was forced into every home on the planet while the MSM sung it's praises from the high heavens.
 
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The Spoony One X said:
I know you are only playing the fool at the behest of your masters but you do fit into the role given to you all too easily. Allow me to spell it out for you as simply as I can:

Tim is hanging out on his porch on a summer day looking for something to do. His friend Sam shows up as always to gossip about the latest happenings in the neighborhood. Tim tells him he is bored. Sam tells Tim he has a solution - for $20 dollars he will sell Tim a big red ball and not only that but playing with it is the most enjoyable activity you can partake in he promises.

However something troubles Tim and that something is the shirt Sam is wearing that displays an ad for the very same big red ball. When asked Sam explains that the company that makes the balls paid him to wear the shirt and gave him several balls for free.

This is what we call a conflict of interest, and I know you don't understand what that means because this came up once before in a little movement called Gamergate and you didn't understand it then. But I think if I give you the definition now you might be overloaded with information so let's save that for next time.

Oh and I must of missed the year that a brand of dishwashing liquid was forced into every home on the planet while the MSM sung it's praises from the high heavens.
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While you threw a lot of insults there I'll give you that I don't know shit about gamergate. It has always seemed a stupid thing to be fussed over and not worth paying attention to.

You are not forced, you have no gun to your head. You want to play chicken with a disease that's your issue but don't be surprised you get repercussions for it. Same with the "no jab no pay" thing going on before this epidemic, yet there wasn't even a big a ruckus over that. Lol. Anyway, nobody likes diseases, and some people are rightly concerned . Which brings me to the next thing...

.. You were the nong who was proudly proclaiming that he can live without any medical attention... Ever... Which IMO is crazy as fuck. Maybe in your world if you live in a basement or some easy peasy job you can pull it off. But in my world, people get sick, that's reality, a reality where being able to fix things with chicken soup is rare.

Pharmaceuticals help people get better, and in some cases save lives. And the doctors who tell you to take those meds, they also save lives. Medical folk saves lives every day, they've saved my life, my fams life, my friends life... pharmaceuticals also save my life, and that wasn't even factoring all the epidemic going on. So you'll pardon me if I side with them a bit as it's the least form of gratitude I can give. If that gets your underwear in a twist because you see medical folk as some great evil who can do no right, go stuff it, or better yet get used to it.

It's nothing to do with being forced, by them or the government. This is something I want. I don't want to be "saved" from "big pharma" or whatever.
 
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The Last Stand said:
Didn't one of the Founding Fathers lock down the colonies because of a flu?
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No, there was no colony wide lockdown. There was also no vaccine as some people have guessed because of the usage of the word inoculation. At the time inoculation meant powdered smallpox sores being placed on a person's skin. There was no germ theory, so the only educated guess was that smallpox sores somehow spread smallpox, and that variolation usually led to a milder symptom.

Many would choose isolation instead because of the risk.

George Washington has been used to defend the lockdown as he would isolate sick soldiers and would avoid cities with known smallpox outbreaks
 
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redcent said:
It has always seemed a stupid thing to be fussed over and not worth paying attention to.
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I will argue that Gamergate was somewhat noteworthy in that it was a canary in the coal mine for a lot of what has happened since ~2015 as is understood as the culture war. The same animus that made gamers rise up and... uh, post on 8chan and get honeypotted by Milo Yiannopolous? is drawn from the same wellspring as a lot of the ridiculous overreactions that have become the lingua franca of the last half-decade. There are sympathetic kernels to a lot of the various shitstorms, but they're focused through this ridiculous dunning-kruger prism.

Like, take its locus: games journalism. It's a corrupt business staffed by a lot of yuppie english and communications majors who don't actually like video games. It has been for decades before 2014. It's also games journalism, ie who fucking cares? But you can see that, for a lot of people, this became their D-Day. Everything in their life was suddenly Gamergate, and to this day remains their eternal crusade.

I can draw a similar line, a bit wider in its generational appeal, that wends through the anti-vax retards. There is a sympathetic element in that some concerns about government overreach, pharmaceutical companies having just recently gotten away with barely a scratch for the opioid-opiate epidemic, and of the vaccine looking rushed (because they don't grasp how massive the regulatory state is until heads of state browbeat it into submission)... but all evidence to the contrary, or that might mollify some of the fervor, has to get discarded. Being anti-vax is a purpose; it's D-Day and it's the Greatest Struggle of Our Times, as plenty of posts in this thread have shown. It becomes their identity.

It's why you see people pushing for government overreach in ways that they like, or bitching that private businesses mandating vaccination is somehow the same thing as the government forcing citizens to; they don't understand the difference or the principles. It's why you see legions of people that espouse extreme suspicion of big pharma... who then go buy their "alternative treatments" made by the same fucking pharma companies. It's why they refuse to believe that the vaccine will ever be 'tested enough;' refuse to acknowledge the nature of other annualized vaccines; continue well into 2022 to insist that others are 'guinea pigs;' and insist that they know better than every possible expert on infectious diseases on the planet - insist that every expert (except the one or two they like) is wrong:

Because this is actually their D-Day, and having to admit that they were wrong about something is literally worse than Hitler.
 
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The Last Stand said:
Didn't one of the Founding Fathers lock down the colonies because of a flu?
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You’d have quarantines occasionally because of disease outbreaks. It’s not quite the same thing but it’s the same logic and intention, stop the disease from spreading by minimizing the amount of people in contact with potentially infected people.
 
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The Spoony One X said:
I know you are only playing the fool at the behest of your masters but you do fit into the role given to you all too easily. Allow me to spell it out for you as simply as I can:

Tim is hanging out on his porch on a summer day looking for something to do. His friend Sam shows up as always to gossip about the latest happenings in the neighborhood. Tim tells him he is bored. Sam tells Tim he has a solution - for $20 he will sell Tim a big red ball and not only that but playing with it is the most enjoyable activity you can partake in he promises.

However something troubles Tim and that something is the shirt Sam is wearing that displays an ad for the very same big red ball. When asked Sam explains that the company that makes the balls paid him to wear the shirt and gave him several balls for free.

This is what we call a conflict of interest, and I know you don't understand what that means because this came up once before in a little movement called GamerGate and you didn't understand it then. But I think if I give you the definition now you might be overloaded with information so let's save that for next time.

Oh and I must of missed the year that a brand of dishwashing liquid was forced into every home on the planet while the MSM sung it's praises from the high heavens.
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So what is it about elderly obese men you find so attractive?
 
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