Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[Freesia]

She's not "extremely beautiful" or anything like a glamour model, but she's fairly attractive in an unconventional way.

I disagree, I think she's an uggo.

Much of her appeal comes from her charm and personality.

That's fair. I know nothing about her so probably why she doesn't do anything for me. I watched parts of that video you posted and frankly she looks and sounds like a tranny. I can see why you made the connection now.

 

[Dromedary]

i was struck by the feeling the other day that we may have gotten it all wrong. i’m not sure Oliver is trying to skinwalk Contra at all, or at least, Nyk is not his only obsession. stop me if you’ve discussed this here before, but i just watched Fleabag for the first time the other day and i think Oliver is trying to skinwalk Phoebe Waller Bridge.

Wow, I do think you're on to something. Phoebe would definitely be a desirable role model for a girl like Abigail bwahahaha snicker, I can't write that. I mean a deluded bloke like Olly. She kind of has it all, doesn't she? Specifically a posh London girl extremely successful in her writing and acting, plus quite the looker. (I thinks she's byootiful.)

Phoebe Waller-Bridge also dresses far more casually than Ollie (other than red carpets) - partially because she's an actual woman and not a theatrical production of one, but also while (very) stylish she's just a fairly casual dresser.

All true, but Phoebe is an absolute darling of the fashion world, they loove her, and that's what Olly probably covets too. ( It makes Phoebe even cooler because everyone knows they toss her the most expensive clothes for free, so when she's all casual it's a hip choice.) Olly would love to be taken up by fashion, made a stunning and brave cover darling, get free stuff. Must be a crushing disappointment the phone's not ringing!

 

[AfghanBlue]

All true, but Phoebe is an absolute darling of the fashion world, they loove her, and that's what Olly probably covets too. ( It makes Phoebe even cooler because everyone knows they toss her the most expensive clothes for free, so when she's all casual it's a hip choice.) Olly would love to be taken up by fashion, made a stunning and brave cover darling, get free stuff. Must be a crushing disappointment the phone's not ringing!

On the subject, I know we’ve mentioned this before (not hugely in depth since finding out the identity) but I can’t work out how ol lies stylist is Brian Conway.

Conway is genuinely good, and nothing I’ve ever seen on olly looks faintly similar to what he does.
Why even hire a stylist if you aren’t willing to push it out there, and said stylist is gonna have you in fucking boohoo dresses?
So weird.
I am maybe coming round to the “stylist hates him” theory.

 

[lady stoneheart]

Why even hire a stylist if you aren’t willing to push it out there, and said stylist is gonna have you in fucking boohoo dresses?
So weird.
I am maybe coming round to the “stylist hates him” theory.

the most expensive and elegant dress in the world will look goofy as hell on a hulking man. i think his stylist is probably very limited as to what clothing he can choose for ol lies (whoever used this above, hilarious btw) looks because the number one focus has to be concealing his male form. it’s probably very hard to get a dress that both hides the shape of that fridge AND actually looks fashionable and has a flattering silhouette.

 

[behindyourightnow]

It’s gotta be awful being a stylist working with AGP troons. Even the relatively normal looking ones. The stylist can make them look good (or as good as possible) and can even make them look good in feminine clothes, but he can’t make them look like a woman, and that’s what they want. They need a costume designer and a special effects guy, not a stylist.

 

[Puddleduck]

On the subject, I know we’ve mentioned this before (not hugely in depth since finding out the identity) but I can’t work out how ol lies stylist is Brian Conway.

Conway is genuinely good, and nothing I’ve ever seen on olly looks faintly similar to what he does.
Why even hire a stylist if you aren’t willing to push it out there, and said stylist is gonna have you in fucking boohoo dresses?
So weird.
I am maybe coming round to the “stylist hates him” theory.

Is it definitely the same Brian Conway?

 

[Swimminglanes]

Thorn approaches women's clothes from a perspective of his own sexual attraction to the idea of women. When he wore the black dress that had only vertical draped fabric to the waist over his chest, he was attracted to how sexual that looks on a woman. It's a very difficult style for a woman to wear, you can't lean or twist in it. It's a dress for standing around and being admired in. It's not a dress for women. It a dress for men to admire a woman's body.

He looked absolutely stupid in it. The erotic experience of the dress was entirely in his own mind.

Sad.

The white dress he wore for the pride march? A woman might choose to wear that for a summer party with friends.

He wanted to look like a woman at a summer party with friends, but he looked like Prince Charming without his tights and codpiece.

Silly man.

 

[narcissistic injury]

 

[Swimminglanes]

So is this the way autists have sex?

 

[AfghanBlue]

the most expensive and elegant dress in the world will look goofy as hell on a hulking man. i think his stylist is probably very limited as to what clothing he can choose for ol lies (whoever used this above, hilarious btw) looks because the number one focus has to be concealing his male form. it’s probably very hard to get a dress that both hides the shape of that fridge AND actually looks fashionable and has a flattering silhouette.

Haha, ol lies was my mistake which I immediately noticed then loved too much to correct

@narcissistic injury the amount of extra flesh in that photo- all so pale and I’ll looking- which makes it even weirder that the one whose hand is on Troon front, looks so dirty?
At least this is a good distance away.
We don’t have to see the furry teeth.
It’s a strange one that poly people seem to have, one and all, furry yellow/green teeth?
Watch the Louis Theroux recent episode about it. Gross stuff- in America, may I add!

And @Puddleduck yep, same B Conway/ Despite his best efforts, there’s a little clip of him in the Tube BTS.

@behindyourightnow ‘s point about fitting the fridge in makes me realise actually- he’s got to outfit him in that shit because prettylittlething are gonna be the only crap outfitter who are making their tat in sizes enough to fit the tube- and then they still don’t, really!
But basically he’s not gonna find anything else, unless they were - you know, tailored to him- which is surely he whole pint in having a stylist, but in that case, said stylist has got to care; or has got to be paid an appropriate amount to do that amount of work.
Suspicion based on the utter shoddiness of Tubes work, as well as his general ilk of person, that he will lowball everyone.

More so, he will have done this chronically, and fucked everyone off enough with this for the whole time they’ve worked together That they now all hate him enough and have no relationship with him aside from strictly ameture professional - hence no one actually appearing in the BTS; yk, the one they weee falling over themselves to make about him!

 

[erichwesson]

“Homeostatic cluster property” ooh yes very smart, you all sound much smarter than those silly women, with your fancy multisyllabic words that show that you definitely understand what sex is!

Tell me Olly, what is “homeostatic” exactly about your body trying to deal with constant doses of female hormones that it didn’t make and can’t produce on its own?

Are you and Grace saying that a failure of homeostasis will cause a change of sex: a farmer who does not monitor his cows’ health well enough will walk into his barn one morning to find a few have morphed into bulls? Are you planning on publishing this knowledge? This could win you a Nobel. You’d go down in history. Why are you just bitching about it on Twitter instead? Publish, Olly, publish!

PhilosophyTube is responding to someone linking an article by Kathleen Stock, a real analytic philosopher with an OBE, who was hounded out of her professorship at the University of Sussex by TRAs. She recently wrote the book "Material Girls." On page 45 of that book, Stock discusses in detail Boyd's homeostatic property cluster definition of sex.

 

[narcissistic injury]

^ they’re so incredibly fucking boring

Fat dirty borderlines constantly self sabotaging and self mutilating

Finding a squad of other fat dirty borderlines to give them constant attention

They don’t have time to wash anymore because they’re so preoccupied with each other’s bullshit dysregulated feelings. Feeling fake deep and writing weird circa 2010s beat poetry resurgence style psalms to post online…. Accompanying a photo where they look heavenward basking in the trans lord’s salvation

Makes me nauseated
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Go to therapy and fuck OFF

I’m amazed none have blue hair

This batch is so low functioning they can’t even grow/maintain hair

 

[AssignedEva]

Sperg incoming, sorry.

Why even hire a stylist if you aren’t willing to push it out there, and said stylist is gonna have you in fucking boohoo dresses?
So weird.
I am maybe coming round to the “stylist hates him” theory.

I really think he does.

The thing with stylists is that they're still dressing a client on a set budget. Brian is not a stranger to dressing men in womenswear:

but he'll have had a brief and beyond "are you cool wearing womenswear" or "are you comfortable showing this much skin", Tom Daley would have pretty much worn whatever he was provided without really any creative input - he's not going to go "can we try this skirt with that top, I think it will look better". So the stylist can really showcase his skills.

The BTS was enlightening because it showcased how Ollie works with his stylist - he approaches the table with fully realised concepts (specifically instructing his stylist to track down an elaborate feather collar, he didn't just say "I want to have an angelic themed outfit"). He even sends pinterest boards of ideas (and probably not garments, but pictures of sexy biker chicks or sexy Russian Bond girl spies or sexy secretaries). There's very little creative freedom.

If Ollie sends you a photo of, hmm, let's say Diana Rigg in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, wearing a couture Marjory Cornelius bridal jumpsuit, playing the only woman to ever marry James Bond:

and says "Here's a budget of £500, make me look like that and also two other costumes, one of which needs a feather collar", well... you're basically going to have to resort to PrettyLittleThing because you don't have the budget or time to access designers or fashion archives and scour for something white and crocheted and a jumpsuit and that will fit Ollie's rugby lad frame. Thus:

(Here you can see Brian desperately pinning the front of the £45 PrettyLittleThing jumpsuit together to try and stop it gaping apart over Ollie's massive hog torso).

The white dress he wore for the pride march? A woman might choose to wear that for a summer party with friends.

He wanted to look like a woman at a summer party with friends, but he looked like Prince Charming without his tights and codpiece.

Silly man.

I love your commentary on both those dresses - spot on. Feeding into that lets compare what Ollie was wearing with what he thought he was wearing:

Not exactly the same, but they're both white frilled dresses hitting at the upper thigh. Except the one in the right is supposed to be that length. He doesn't realise that a woman who tried that on his outfit and had it hit there wouldn't go "oh cute, a short minidress", she'd go "oh I'm too tall to fit this dress" (especially if the flounce was hiking up in the middle like that). But in his mind's eye he's just picturing a pretty girl in a coquettish Summer party outfit.

This feeds into how Brian dresses him. Brian's presumably realised at this point that when Ollie is asking for something sexy (over e.g. his Riddler or Sherlock Holmes cosplay) he doesn't see how he looks, he just sees the idea of the woman he's trying to skinwalk that day. So it doesn't matter if Ollie looks bad or the outfit doesn't fit properly - thus why bother wasting time trying to style some creep who won't appreciate it, if you can phone it in and get paid the same anyway?

Edit: More autismo

I couldn't find the exact dress he bought (probably snatched off the bargain rack in New Look or something) but I found dresses of that type:

See what I mean? If the dress fit Ollie it'd be more like this:

Except it wouldn't because it still doesn't fit (the bust is still hiked up too high because the dress is getting stretched across Ollie's broad shoulders - I didn't even bother to try fixing that because at that point I'd essentially be morphing Ollie into having a woman's body)

 

[fistfulloffeathers]

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I can smell that picture. They all look so dirty

 

[Cr1ms0n_&_C10v3r]

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You can't tell me any of these people have genuine sexual feelings for each other. This is just performance art without a budget. Why are they so unwashed too? Imagine the smell when these doughy misfits are writhing all over each others' top surgery scars and flaccid dicks in some musty bed. Polyamory is just for maladjusted people who cannot cope with monogamy and commitment. They're too special to admit they just want to sleep around so they have to pretend they're actually in a real relationship with all of their fuckbuddies/"deep conversation" partners.

 

[narcissistic injury]

You can't tell me any of these people have genuine sexual feelings for each other. This is just performance art without a budget. Why are they so unwashed too? Imagine the smell when these doughy misfits are writhing all over each others' top surgery scars and flaccid dicks in some musty bed. Polyamory is just for maladjusted people who cannot cope with monogamy and commitment. They're too special to admit they just want to sleep around so they have to pretend they're actually in a real relationship with all of their fuckbuddies/"deep conversation" partners.

Honestly what “hard and beautiful and expansive” conversations are there to be had amongst this group???

“I want to invite this other fat dirty borderline to our polycule”
“omg you don’t love the rest of us!”
“Yes I do this fifth person is identical to us - just as fat and dirty and cluster b”
“oh okay”

Not that deep but sure

 

[AfghanBlue]

Sperg incoming, sorry.

I really think he does.

The thing with stylists is that they're still dressing a client on a set budget. Brian is not a stranger to dressing men in womenswear:
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but he'll have had a brief and beyond "are you cool wearing womenswear" or "are you comfortable showing this much skin", Tom Daley would have pretty much worn whatever he was provided without really any creative input - he's not going to go "can we try this skirt with that top, I think it will look better". So the stylist can really showcase his skills.

The BTS was enlightening because it showcased how Ollie works with his stylist - he approaches the table with fully realised concepts (specifically instructing his stylist to track down an elaborate feather collar, he didn't just say "I want to have an angelic themed outfit"). He even sends pinterest boards of ideas (and probably not garments, but pictures of sexy biker chicks or sexy Russian Bond girl spies or sexy secretaries). There's very little creative freedom.

If Ollie sends you a photo of, hmm, let's say Diana Rigg in On Her Majesty's Secret Service, wearing a couture Marjory Cornelius bridal jumpsuit, playing the only woman to ever marry James Bond:
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and says "Here's a budget of £500, make me look like that and also two other costumes, one of which needs a feather collar", well... you're basically going to have to resort to PrettyLittleThing because you don't have the budget or time to access designers or fashion archives and scour for something white and crocheted and a jumpsuit and that will fit Ollie's rugby lad frame. Thus:
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(Here you can see Brian desperately pinning the front of the £45 PrettyLittleThing jumpsuit together to try and stop it gaping apart over Ollie's massive hog torso).

I love your commentary on both those dresses - spot on. Feeding into that lets compare what Ollie was wearing with what he thought he was wearing:
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Not exactly the same, but they're both white frilled dresses hitting at the upper thigh. Except the one in the right is supposed to be that length. He doesn't realise that a woman who tried that on his outfit and had it hit there wouldn't go "oh cute, a short minidress", she'd go "oh I'm too tall to fit this dress" (especially if the flounce was hiking up in the middle like that). But in his mind's eye he's just picturing a pretty girl in a coquettish Summer party outfit.

This feeds into how Brian dresses him. Brian's presumably realised at this point that when Ollie is asking for something sexy (over e.g. his Riddler or Sherlock Holmes cosplay) he doesn't see how he looks, he just sees the idea of the woman he's trying to skinwalk that day. So it doesn't matter if Ollie looks bad or the outfit doesn't fit properly - thus why bother wasting time trying to style some creep who won't appreciate it, if you can phone it in and get paid the same anyway?

Edit: More autismo

I couldn't find the exact dress he bought (probably snatched off the bargain rack in New Look or something) but I found dresses of that type:
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See what I mean? If the dress fit Ollie it'd be more like this:
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Except it wouldn't because it still doesn't fit (the bust is still hiked up too high because the dress is getting stretched across Ollie's broad shoulders - I didn't even bother to try fixing that because at that point I'd essentially be morphing Ollie into having a woman's body)

In short:

 

[PennyAni]

Just checking in to say I am near-giddy at the cascading resonance of "peak-Olly" that's been going on recently around the internet — and it's just fantastic that it's aligning with his FFS surgery, as FFS surgery is only aesthetically measurable in how limited the failure is.

Contrapoints' only real avoidable mistake through all of his transition (talking solely about the process of transitioning, not the choice itself) was getting FFS instead of saying "fuck all y'all, my face is my face, deal with it" to both trans and anti-trans folks alike. I think he realizes that now, and may say it someday soon?

The best part about Olly is his raging narcissism will have him defending his self-induced deformity for the rest of his life with no self-effacing humor possible...and the fresh impact of it will come as even his own fan club is developing an allergic reaction to his antics.

Online hugboxes are susceptible to what I'll call social media dry rot. They look really sturdy and supportive, because people will be 100% on your side even if in their hearts they're only 50.1% on your side, that's how a hugbox community works and that's the social contract that hugboxxers sign by participating. So the hugbox looks unbreakable...right up until the last rotten fiber snaps and the "star" falls hard to the floor. Olly's hugbox has a LOT of dry rot right now.

a0

All this waiting for his FFS-reveal gave me an urge to take a shot at giving the tubelord a major reconstruction.
I can't for the life of me find any femininity in that body to accentuate. Everything has to be broken down and remodelled to create something decently believeable. After fiddling with his face for a bit the reality of his damn neck and torso became too apparent. And at that it became more effort than I was willing to put in, so I stopped. The result still makes for a decent illustration of the problems with the shape of his skull.

Enjoy the absolute size of this lad:

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He looks pretty in the first if you can ignore the sizes being off. But yeah....ain't no way is medical science (as much of a true miracle as it may be!) ready to do what would need to be done to even make this look work. You'd kinda have to break it all and start over. :/

heheh.
That person is still smarting.
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Love it how he still doesnt have a blue checkmark, despite campaigning for one for at least a year.
they hand them out to the most random people too.
someone at HQ no like.

Huh, you think?

I never understood the blue checkmark thing and just looked into it out of curiosity the other day. It's almost weird he doesnt have one. You'd think the Nebula doc would be the perfect kind of verification that Twitter wants?

But I like your theory better, that someone high up @ Twitter just doesnt like him lol.

Also- fucking meme: are we still going to continue this fantasy that men use "they/them" pronouns to try and silence women?

Like....every single part of that is weird and untrue.

 

[AfghanBlue]

I never understood the blue checkmark thing and just looked into it out of curiosity the other day. It's almost weird he doesnt have one. You'd think the Nebula doc would be the perfect kind of verification that Twitter wants?

But I like your theory better, that someone high up @ Twitter just doesnt like him lol.

Also- fucking meme: are we still going to continue this fantasy that men use "they/them" pronouns to try and silence women?

Like....every single part of that is weird and untrue.

He finished his massive big long sperg response on his Tumblr Q&A (when someone said 'the farms found ur burner') about how kiwifarms is totally wrong FUNDAMENTALLY PHILOSOPHICALLY because and he has never read our thread (Hi Choob) with the utterly unrelated line 'this is why i need to be twitter verified'
Lol.
yeah they give them to any old fucker.
its why he constantly adds total clanger/non sequiturs onto the end of any random with a blue checkmark's tweets. He's trying to make it look like he's in those circles.

Honestly, with the people who have them, he should have one, and its delicious that he doesnt.

https://www.vox.com/22444961/twitter-verification-process-verified-blue-checkmark-jack-dorsey

He will have no doubt been acrosssomeones desk by now, and has apparently been passed up.
Guess its some too-real janny troon. Keep up the sterling work, , Sxr.

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what twitter deems 'ineligible' for a checkmark- maybe he counts as 'commentary'? lol, Contras got one.​

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(that meme was in relation to people who dont believe or want to validate a troons identity, using They'Them as a cowardly way of not 'misgendering' them but flagrantly not believing them. which is about right.)

 

[PennyAni]

How convenient for Olly that he can just brush aside any criticism of him with a quick accusation of sexism. I'm sure that's just a delightful bonus of transitioning and not at all a primary reason. Just like nobody can judge him for behaving like a thirsty manwhore, because it's supposedly 'lesbian' now.

The deliberate obtuseness of the sexism accusation is sickening. He could just as well have called everyone transphobes but you see Olly is more sophisticated than that. He's a woman. He's only trans when it's convenient. Yelling about how the NHS doesn't give him free breast surgery would not make sense as just a woman and he knows that, so only at that point he refers to himself as trans. Which in his eyes is not the same as a woman, it's better. The cold and calculated word games he keeps playing are almost as frightening as the look he gave straight to the camera in that 'behind the scenes' creepfest.

For a long time the compaint/reason for persecution du jour was always "transphobia". "Transphobes" and "TERFS" were always the big enemies. Oh, and of course "cis people [women]".

I swear to St. Pete, that this new "it's all misogyny and sexism, babes!" is 100% because of how many times he was called out very specifically for misogyny during the recent critical Reddit discourses on "Abigail". Betcha anything.

Just actually read the Big Issue link now Im on desktop-ugh, so he's nominated himself for som
wonder if he's got a mini seethe on that a random, not for show bit of big issue copy got to do the BIG REVEAL of the title of Stupid Tranny Play?

Oh whoa! Ok; sorry that I've been on and off lately (mostly off), but I missed this completely and cant seem to find where it was first brought up.

So are we saying that the name of Olly's play is "The Prince" and that someone leaked this? And now- somehow- this has been picked up by some kind of media? Do I have that right at all?

He's trying to address absolutely EVERY criticism leveled against him in the Reddit thread

Yup, he sure is lol