Canadian Truckers Convoy 2022 - The Leaf calls you a Nazi as he gasses you

So, I guess we should start making a resistance playlist now— since there’s nothing to lose?

Or perhaps make our own music, that sounds as cool as Balkan 90s music.
For reference:


Obviously let’s not copy them, but the songs are inspirational.

If the situation this badly then I’ll make a bunch of Sonichu patches so we can all shitpost IRL once we find each other
 
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No, the problem is that there is no legal way for them to actually use the money once they have it.

Let me break down what's going on for you:

-They've made using or interacting with any of the donations a crime in Canada.

-So, they've introduced massive fines ($100k) to the protestors for protesting.

-Lets say they managed to sneak all the money from the donations into Canada without being noticed and have stashed it somewhere the government will never find

-Protestor pays the $100k fee using the money that was smuggled in.

-The forensic accountants and tax agents in Canada pounce on their tax return and financial details.

-"Hmm, from your tax records, we can see that you've spent $185k in total this year, but your annual income is only $85k and your savings (which are still intact) are $50k, you have been able to spend $100k more than your legal income makes possible. This is tax fraud." (this is a simplified explanation)

-Then, the government can either prove that the money came from GiveSendGo, or that the person has committed tax fraud. (same way that governments prosecute drug dealers. If you can't prove the money was made from dealing drugs, all you have to prove is that they have undeclared income and rape them for tax evasion Capone-Style).

So, unless the protestors devise a way to legally launder the donations such that they will appear as legitimate taxed income unrelated to the donations entirely (and can stand up to the ultra scrutiny it will face by teams of forensic accountants and tax agents), then the donations are completely "Water water everywhere, but not a drop to drink".

That's why the massive punative fines are being used. It's possible to secretly mix the donation money on the scale of $100-1000s into your legal income, but when we're talking about $100ks, unless these truckers are Millionaires or Billionaires, there's no covert way to float that huge an expense and get away with it.
That's why in Goodfellas, they're telling them not to go buying cars and houses and other big expenses after the big heist.

Wouldn't it be possible to forward the money to a single third party to pay their fines? Say, Elon Musk for example? Not that he would, but if the money could be forwarded to an independent party in a foreign country who decided to donate, what can the government really do? Ban philanthropy out right?

There's so many flaws in their overreach.
 
No, the problem is that there is no legal way for them to actually use the money once they have it.

Let me break down what's going on for you:

-They've made using or interacting with any of the donations a crime in Canada.

-So, they've introduced massive fines ($100k) to the protestors for protesting.

-Lets say they managed to sneak all the money from the donations into Canada without being noticed and have stashed it somewhere the government will never find

-Protestor pays the $100k fee using the money that was smuggled in.

-The forensic accountants and tax agents in Canada pounce on their tax return and financial details.

-"Hmm, from your tax records, we can see that you've spent $185k in total this year, but your annual income is only $85k and your savings (which are still intact) are $50k, you have been able to spend $100k more than your legal income makes possible. This is tax fraud." (this is a simplified explanation)

-Then, the government can either prove that the money came from GiveSendGo, or that the person has committed tax fraud. (same way that governments prosecute drug dealers. If you can't prove the money was made from dealing drugs, all you have to prove is that they have undeclared income and rape them for tax evasion Capone-Style).

So, unless the protestors devise a way to legally launder the donations such that they will appear as legitimate taxed income unrelated to the donations entirely (and can stand up to the ultra scrutiny it will face by teams of forensic accountants and tax agents), then the donations are completely "Water water everywhere, but not a drop to drink".

That's why the massive punative fines are being used. It's possible to secretly mix the donation money on the scale of $100-1000s into your legal income, but when we're talking about $100ks, unless these truckers are Millionaires or Billionaires, there's no covert way to float that huge an expense and get away with it.
That's why in Goodfellas, they're telling them not to go buying cars and houses and other big expenses after the big heist.

And how about the idea to use Bitcoin as bought by Americans? Would that help at all in this case?
 
The funny thing is that all these government’s probably wouldn’t have the protests in the first place if the USA actually cracked down on the BLM shit in the past instead of using it as a club against trump and to fund DNC war chests.

Once you market and promote one type of disruption, rioting and protest for so long and treat all the offenders with kid gloves, you embolden every other oppressed group as well to do it.

Instead of stealing from the Truckers, leaf officials should ask democrats to pay up, lol.
 
Well the short answer is Justin Trudeau is kind of for lack of a better word a bitch. Why the hell is he being sent to a secret location to hide from possibly the least violent protest in recent times.

Also like all presidents of western country, he is not really a king, he is an actor playing as a king. Trudeau doesn't actually rule the country because the country is actually an oligarchy and its not his job to rule. He is basically there for reading speeches given to him by the teleprompter, attending diplomatic cocktail parties, and photo shoots.
Basically most if not all presidents in a """democratic""" republic are like that. Compare the power of say FDR and Abraham Lincoln with Obama, Trump, and Biden. Most presidents just let their agencies and institutions run on cruise control.

Also do remember that this time they're not going to be bombing some country in the middle east that no one cares about, they'll bombing civilians of their own nation, who while they might be dissidents are still considered citizens (or subjects).

I'm trying to remember the article that bests describe the Trudeau presidency and will post the link if I do find it.
It is important to note that Canada is (supposedly) a constitutional monarchy with Queen Elizabeth II of the UK as head of state, but it's highly unlikely that she or her representative (the Governor-General) will intervene. I believe that the GG could theoretically dissolve parliament and call a snap election, but I'm not constitutional expert so take that with a mountain of salt. Given that Trudeau has a minority government, it is possible that he could lose the confidence of the house if the NDP and Bloc believe they can benefit his party's misfortunes. Jagmeet Singh was calling him out for his inability to deal with the protesters and Yves-Francois Blanchet is a canny political operator who would like nothing better than to eat away at the Liberals base in Quebec.
 
The funny thing is that all these government’s probably wouldn’t have the protests in the first place if the USA actually cracked down on the BLM shit in the past instead of using it as a club against trump and to fund DNC war chests.

Once you market and promote one type of disruption, rioting and protest for so long and treat all the offenders with kid gloves, you embolden every other oppressed group as well to do it.

Instead of stealing from the Truckers, leaf officials should ask democrats to pay up, lol.

Even before the BLM cucking, Trudeau was supporting blockades of railways and pipelines.



There's also the Oka Crisis back in the 90s but I don't know if Trudeau gobbled Mohawk dick for that.

This is why I'm loving this shit. Trudeau's bullshit is coming home to roost.
 
Hopefully the organizations have used a good portion of the original Million to hire some top notch legal council and accountants on their side, because Ford is setting up a legal deathtrap for the protestors right now.
The problem is that there is no legal way for them to actually use the money once they have it.
As I've said before and will again, this kind of constant escalation can not end well, but the arrogance of the people like Ford completely blinds them to this fact. This kind of maneuvering to generate a sort of legalistic 'checkmate' works within the confines of a theoretical closed system, but life is anything but that.

What so many people forget, especially the politicians and bugmen, is that the legal and social systems are not reality, they are abstractions or more frankly, palatable substitutions to forestall violence. They operate as a means to resolve social conflict without resorting to violence though mutually agreed upon systems. If these abstractions are distorted or 'gamed' to the point of uselessness, they will be discarded and the old order of violence will re-emerge.

Continually undermining trust in these systems by subverting them to avoid consequences has a cost, and that penalty is the removal of that system from the choices for conflict resolution. When you rig elections, people can't express their dissastifaction through voting. Subvert the courts or DAs and that takes lawsuits or trials off the table. Make it illegal to protest peacefully or donate, and that too is lost as a deescalation tactic. Eventually all avenues of peaceful resolution are cut off from the people, because those in power do not want to change or surrender their positions. This does not make those people or their greivances vanish, however, it only prevents their peaceful expression.

Image a board game where the 'game master' continually changes the rules every time they may lose a peice or an advantage. Eventually the game is locked into a 'you lose/they win' scenario - and at your local game store that might result in some choice words and resolve to not play with them again. If the player's life is on the line, if his kid's lives are on the line, if his entire community's future is riding on him winning though......well. He's going to flip the table and strangle the life out of the prick gaming the rules because he was given no other choice.

All these elitest pricks are just welding the pressure relief valves shut and turning up the heat - and when that differential equalizes it'll be gruesome.
 
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Since it's essentially money laundering, probably not. This could land you into serious trouble.

Just donate to the lawyers.

I’m not getting involved with anything crypto, that was GSG’s supposed big loophole idea for it from a few pages ago. Send money to an American firm officially associated with the truckers, buy Bitcoin to then send over.
 
Below the 49th, the Biden Pentagon is trying to "de-radicalize" veterans and those about to EAS. I remember seeing an NBC article last year whining about how SOF had too many conservatives.

TPTB are well aware that their attack dogs don't love them.

Avoiding big PL here, can't detail too much: I know an American military guy or girl who occasionally sends me some of their branch's internal propaganda, because my warnings to him or her about what the US military was becoming have come true and he or she can't believe it.

The official US military view of the convoy/protest is that it is—and these are quotes—made up of "racist" "anti-immigration" "anti-worker" "white nationalist hate groups," and that it was originally formed to run down picketing union truckers, and so base security is to treat any splinter convoy that passes anywhere near any US military installation as a deadly physical threat.

All official decisions are being made based on this mythology, and the troops are sufficiently "deradicalized" that they'll believe whatever makes them feel good about massacring civilians.

Good times.
 
School walkouts won't have near as much an effect as the truckers.
Truth. They've got years to punish rebellious students and grind their spirits down to the nub. A few days' truancy won't bother the school-to-prison pipeline one bit.

We really should have a community watch thread for HN, just like we have for Reddit.
I was so bummed out when n-gate stopped updating last august. It was such a fantastic piss-take of Hackernews' fart-huffing nonsense. They're nearly as bad as the Resetera crowd in terms of their politics; the only difference is some of HN is actually employed in big tech, which makes them much more dangerous.

Woah, careful there lad, you could lose your blue checkmark for them there fightin' words.

Maybe 5% would break rank but the vast majority are brainless diversity hires just itching to wipe out "settlers" like the truckers.
That's more than enough. It doesn't take a whole lot to seriously screw up an operation. Even when everybody's on the same page, things can go south really fast. Now imagine at least a handful of the troops you're commanding have decided you're issuing unlawful orders and are refusing to obey them, or worse -- they're acting to stop their comrades from obeying them and possibly even coming after you.

Just one soldier can completely disrupt a unit's efforts. If someone on your squad starts shouting that it's illegal/wrong, or starts physically fighting with you, you'll be far too busy dealing with that to be bothered with shooting unarmed civilians. Even if no one else agrees and you successfully subdue him, it's still a distraction from your actual mission that gives your "enemy" plenty of time to GTFO.

Now imagine that one soldier actually manages to convince enough of his fellow soldiers that they're on the wrong side, and the whole squad refuses to obey and starts disrupting the proceedings. At best, you'll have one confused-as-fuck military operation where nobody knows who the hell the enemy is (even people wearing uniforms are now potential threats). At worst, you've now got an armed, well-trained military squad actively disrupting their own side's actions.

It shouldn't be hard to see how fast that could destroy an entire operation. "Traitors among the ranks" are such a morale killer that you'd have total chaos and no chance of success for the military.

Worse, if footage of any of that -- soldiers fighting each other or even just trying to stop others from shooting civilians -- managed to leak out to the world, holy fucking shit dude. That's all it would take for the truckers to be able to claim the Canadian military doesn't genuinely support Trudeau's government (and they won't be wrong, since the military just descended into chaos trying to follow an unlawful order to murder civilians) and any chance he and his government had of retaining any legitimacy through this mess would vaporize instantly. That kind of shit would see other nations openly discussing military intervention.

-Protestor pays the $100k fee using the money that was smuggled in.
I see your point. So, what's the penalty in Canada for ignoring a fine anyway? Do they do the whole "debtor's prison" thing there?

Admittedly though I do wonder if they've really got the stones (and manpower) to railroad potentially thousands (or tens of thousands) of people like this. Yes, the American feds nailed the occasional gangster on tax fraud, but that shit took years of effort and it's painfully obvious they don't have nearly the manpower to do that en masse. I feel like if enough people are willing to say "eh, fuck it, this is important enough to sacrifice for" the government just won't have the resources to go after all of them. And if they only go after a few, welp, time for another convoy to put a stop to that too.

Give me virtual rainbows, but I think this government is getting dangerously close to setting off a much bigger crisis the more it tries to strangle this protest. It involves thousands of people right now, organized by means these internet-addicted faggots don't understand (I bet maybe one in five of these bugmen even knows what a CB radio is, much less how it's used by truckers), and for some reason they believe if they can just punish/silence this "small" group of "dissidents," this will all go away.

But every person who donated to this convoy, offered it any kind of material support, witnessed it in action and approved of it, reported on it favorably to the internet (i.e. non-MSM sources) or is involved in any of the industries related to it (logistics and transport, agriculture, construction, mining, etc.) are paying very close attention to it. And they're all quietly keeping in touch and staying connected.

Trudeau may (and that's a big "may") be able to eventually shut down this protest, but if it ends in violence or with widespread government-sanctioned wholesale destruction of citizens' livelihoods, lives and families, this will be a fart in the wind compared to the protests that follow. This small handful of truckers has already demonstrated how to shut down major land-based shipping lanes with minimal equipment and personnel, and demonstrated how much damage that can do. Imagine most truckers across Canada declaring they're not going to haul freight in protest, and how much damage that will do.
 
There is a God

Manitoba,!frozen shithole of a province that it is, is lifting its Vacc Card rules starting March 1st, and the Mask Mandate is being ended on March 15th
What's to stop them from just reactivating everything once the next variant magically appears and all the truckers are in jail or too busy fighting the courts to come back?
 
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Wouldn't it be possible to forward the money to a single third party to pay their fines? Say, Elon Musk for example? Not that he would, but if the money could be forwarded to an independent party in a foreign country who decided to donate, what can the government really do? Ban philanthropy out right?

There's so many flaws in their overreach.
Honestly, that's the only possible whitepill I have in my head. Someone like Elon Musk extends the offer to cover all the legal fees of the protestors. Then he gets to dog-fuck the US auto industry at the same time, which makes it more a possibility of him actually doing it.

And how about the idea to use Bitcoin as bought by Americans? Would that help at all in this case?
Ultimately, it's down to "is the money declared taxed income" combined with "the government is willing and able to instantly declare new laws to prevent people from defending themselves legally". So, if the bitcoin was able to be completely divorced from the GiveSendGo donations, and the protestors receiving it declare it as legally taxable income, then it might be possible.

But honestly from what we've seen, if that became a viable method of legally getting the money to the truckers for their legal defense, Doug Ford would likely just instantly introduce a new legal order prohibiting it (or hell, a legal order banning all crypto. Who knows, Ontario/Canada is ultra-clown world).

Since it's essentially money laundering, probably not. This could land you into serious trouble.

Just donate to the lawyers.
I echo your sentiment for the JCCF, but honestly, I'm so disgusted with what I've seen over these past two days that I can't help but think that if the JCCF got enough donations to be a legal threat to Ford/the Government, then they'd just sign a new law outlawing the JCCF or donating to them. Doug Ford is a fat fucking disgrace.

The whitepill that I have is that as long as the Truckers and supporters keep their dogged determination, the government is going to get more and more frantic, and make bigger and bigger mistakes. And eventually, I hope the mistakes become so massive that even the brainwashed retards and immigrants in this country can't even ignore it anymore.

I see your point. So, what's the penalty in Canada for ignoring a fine anyway?
That's why Ford also declared that the charges will come with up to a year in prison, and forfeiture of your personal and commercial driver's license

The real purpose of the fine is so that they can impound and keep the trucks themselves. Can't pay the $100k fine? Then you must sell off your assets to pay your debt. And seeing as most of these protestors are truck owner/operators, remember how much a truck costs on average. That's right ~$100k. So, with that fine, the government will seize his truck and auction it to pay the fine. Then, he no longer has a truck with which he can use to voice his displeasure with the government. And he'll be handicapped against personally fighting against them seizing his assets, because they'll do this while he's in jail for that 1 year jail sentence. It's literal China tier tactics, honestly.
 
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