Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[hooboy]

So what some people want you to believe is that it was not the right time to invade Ukraine in 2014
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but instead Ukraine in 2022 is way more tempting
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tell that to mongoloid russians

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

Look at what he’s done in the last twenty. Invaded two post soviet states, created defacto puppets in central asia, tried to project power like the old Soviet state, engaged in multiple assassinations of dissidents, secured his power as a permanent dictator and has consistently attempted to bully post Warsaw Pact states. I understand you’re payed five rubles a post but seriously c’mon.

You neglected to mention the part where NATO compromised the leaders of the post-Soviet nations and stole their resources to enrich already wealthy anglos or just destabilized the nations to pressure Russia.

Don't forget who NATO always was.

 

[Techpriest]

So why now and not 2014? Why didn't Putin declare the maidan revolt a coup and roll tanks into Kiev before the west realized who was on what side? Why announce a invasion beforehand and give Ukraine time to mobilize? How come the same intelligence services that could not predict war between Armenia and Azerbaijan should now be trusted when they claim that Vladimir Hitler is about to invade Ukraine at a inopportune time?

>Why not 2014
Situation escalated before preparations were finished. They did invade in 2015 when it became clear the new Ukrainian regime wasn’t going to play ball (mostly because of Crimea), and their puppet seperatists were losing. They did and have declared the Maidan a coup. That’s their current justification for siezing Crimea.

>Azjerbijabi/Armenian war
US intelligence has basically no reason to care about either. They’re irrelevant nation states. There’s probably two agents assigned to look over the occasional message from the diplomats there. The whole conflict there was a slow burn anyway and had been since the 90’s.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

I kind of agree; flexing his war muscle is what Putin does, and he's been doing it for decades. However, at the same time, I also have to think of that joint statement Russia and China released where they said they feel as if they are entitled to Ukraine and Taiwan respectively and that the US is a weak state.

Considering their goals I think China may actually go for it. Their main goal has always been to occupy Taiwan, it's a matter of pride for them. They don't give a shit about the cost. The joint statement is probably more of a way to pressure NATO rather than an actual plan.

It's far more concerning than Ukraine because China occupying Taiwan will cause a massive chain reaction throughout Asia.

 

[дядя Боря]

You are distracted by what Putin is saying. Look at what Putin needs and what Putin is doing. Think about things in the context of the last 30 years and not just what you saw on CNN two days ago.

Putin is just a sad panda, seated between two near-eastern dictatorships, all alone, not even shown on his own Russian TV (because he was sleeping) Is that the uber macho superpower leader?

.... Look at what Putin needs ....

One of the greatest short stories ever ...

Spoiler: how much land does a person need

2 square yards

 

[Übertroon]

>Why not 2014
Situation escalated before preparations were finished. They did invade in 2015 when it became clear the new Ukrainian regime wasn’t going to play ball (mostly because of Crimea), and their puppet seperatists were losing. They did and have declared the Maidan a coup. That’s their current justification for siezing Crimea.

>Azjerbijabi/Armenian war
US intelligence has basically no reason to care about either. They’re irrelevant nation states. There’s probably two agents assigned to look over the occasional message from the diplomats there. The whole conflict there was a slow burn anyway and had been since the 90’s.

Escalated how? How is the situation not going to escalate even more now in 2022? Crimea was an easy grab and the Donetsk situation keeps Ukraine out of NATO indefinitely. No one has yet to provide a good argument for why Russian troop movements now are different from previous years.

 

[Techpriest]

Considering their goals I think China may actually go for it. Their main goal has always been to occupy Taiwan, it's a matter of pride for them. They don't give a shit about the cost. The joint statement is probably more of a way to pressure NATO rather than an actual plan.

It's far more concerning than Ukraine because China occupying Taiwan will cause a massive chain reaction throughout Asia.

China can’t take and hold Taiwan. It would be the biggest fucking bloodbath they’d face and lead to a shooting war with the US and much of the pacific. There’s no wiggle room with the US commitment to Taiwan. We will help them.

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

God you just know that China is watching and thinking invading Taiwan without US military intervention is now a most likely scenario.

I mean, it is. It's not 1997 anymore, if the Red Chinese want to invade Taiwan there's almost nothing the US Navy can do about that, unless it feels like giving the People's Liberation Army Navy a $13Bn target to sink.

The American dominated post-Cold War era has already passed into history, and it's not coming back. This fact just hasn't caught up to folks in DC yet, and may take a while for them to learn. But it should've been obvious with the fall of Kabul, and even more obvious when Joe Biden is publicly telling our "friends" in Kiev that he's not sending US troops to defend them.

 

[hooboy]

sounds like some people are earning their ₽s tonight

 

[DumbDude42]

Considering their goals I think China may actually go for it. Their main goal has always been to occupy Taiwan, it's a matter of pride for them. They don't give a shit about the cost. The joint statement is probably more of a way to pressure NATO rather than an actual plan.

It's far more concerning than Ukraine because China occupying Taiwan will cause a massive chain reaction throughout Asia.

also keep in mind that ukraines economy is pretty worthless overall while taiwan is an absolute powerhouse. china taking taiwan would mean the ccp gains control over TSMC, that alone would have dramatic consequences for the global economy.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

China can’t take and hold Taiwan. It would be the biggest fucking bloodbath they’d face and lead to a shooting war with the US and much of the pacific. There’s no wiggle room with the US commitment to Taiwan. We will help them.

Taiwanese will fight till the last one but the Biden administration has zero ability to stop the invasion. Biden will suffer less blowback from cucking on his commitment to Taiwan than from getting into a shooting war with China which will never happen.

 

[Techpriest]

Escalated how? How is the situation not going to escalate even more now in 2022? Crimea was an easy grab and the Donetsk situation keeps Ukraine out of NATO indefinitely. No one has yet to provide a good argument for why Russian troop movements now are different from previous years.

Scale for one thing. Two, out of the blue military exercises. As the Ukrainians military forces get better equipped, the bloodier it will be to stop them from pressing into Dontesk eventually, and impossible for the Russians to deny involvement. If Putin wants a cooperative buffer state he’s on a timer anyway. So, go in now while it’s easier, or wait two years and suddenly have to deal with a Ukrainian military capable of overwhelming the forces on the border the Russians will send in to try and defend Dontesk. It’s do it now, or lose and never get a better chance since you couldn’t do it earlier.

 

[DumbDude42]

Taiwanese will fight till the last one but the Biden administration has zero ability to stop the invasion. Biden will suffer less blowback from cucking on his commitment to Taiwan than from getting into a shooting war with China which will never happen.

no. an independent taiwan is way too important for way too many countries in the region, and unlike eurocucks those guys are actually serious about it.

it's not like europe, where the only countries that really care about independent ukraine are small and irrelevant (poland estonia lithuania latvia)
with taiwan, the players are japan and s korea, and the US also has a much stronger stake in taiwan than it does in fucking ukraine. if china makes a move for taiwan, that would have a much higher chance of causing a major global war than russia taking ukraine.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

For more context remember that China has their party congress this year in October, and that means a massive internal power struggle. Taking or losing Taiwan could be the difference between Xi staying in power or not.

https://thediplomat.com/2020/12/china-looks-ahead-to-20th-party-congress-in-2022/

 

[дядя Боря]

Taiwanese will fight till the last one but the Biden administration has zero ability to stop the invasion. Biden will suffer less blowback from cucking on his commitment to Taiwan than from getting into a shooting war with China which will never happen.

I doubt it, everyone think that until they get punched in the face. Taiwan has one of the strictest gun laws and no culture of being free men. The only thing they got going, unlike most Americans they totally know how shitty life in China, so that's fear as the only motivating factor. I am sure that China can provide some adequate lube, and if not, they got more soldiers than you can store ammo on that tiny sliver of land.

 

[Super Book]

Sorry to break up the shitposting, but this comment made about why the US is freaking out and pulling their people out of Ukraine is odd. Apparently the reason why they did it was to....stop a false flag? What's the correlation between the two acts?

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

if china makes a move for taiwan, that would have a much higher chance of causing a major global war than russia taking ukraine.

I agree, that's the concerning part about that whole situation.

 

[Übertroon]

Scale for one thing. Two, out of the blue military exercises. As the Ukrainians military forces get better equipped, the bloodier it will be to stop them from pressing into Dontesk eventually, and impossible for the Russians to deny involvement. If Putin wants a cooperative buffer state he’s on a timer anyway. So, go in now while it’s easier, or wait two years and suddenly have to deal with a Ukrainian military capable of overwhelming the forces on the border the Russians will send in to try and defend Dontesk. It’s do it now, or lose and never get a better chance since you couldn’t do it earlier.

Russia has done military exercises on the border with Ukraine before. And you're wrong in that the time is now, the time was 6 years ago. This isn't a war feared by rational people, but those who listen to the talking heads on TV making Russia seem strong and dangerous.

 

[Techpriest]

Sorry to break up the shitposting, but this comment made about why the US is freaking out and pulling their people out of Ukraine is odd. Apparently they did it was to....stop a false flag? What's the correlation between the two acts?

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Essentially, it’s a way to delay and disrupt Russian plans and possible excuses they’ll try and make. Russia in 2014 and ever since has been trying their damn hardest to make the war in the Donbas look like anything but them being aggressors. By removing any excuses they can use, we’re making it harder for them to use propaganda to influence foreign policy and idiots like @Badungus Kabungus in other countries.

 

[AGPinochet]

Will Putin actually fucking do it this time? I am constantly blueballed when it comes to this shit. All I want is a war in which the US is made to look incompetent and weak on the world stage.