Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%
  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%
  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%
  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%
  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%

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Cold War 2 in a nutshell. When do the school nuclear bomb drills start?
 
You're looking at generation where majority of sheep are born post 2001 and are likely to be troons.

Pro war boomers are no different with "We got to defend freedoms!"

American MSM is shilling this shit so hard.

I live stones throw away from Ukraine. Russian power posturing is nothing new there are thousands of ruskie troops on the land border and black sea.

For people in former eastern bloc and Ukraine this is nothing new.

UN stirred shit, local election meddling and Ukraine ultra nationalists doing their thing.

Prediction: A nothing burger as much I'd love to see nuclear apocalypse just like the next guy.
I kinda disagree on the idea that most of the populace are sheep due to already seeing a ton of comments calling out MSMs "boy who called wolf" routine and openly mocking the supposed "US intel" reports due to the increasingly incorrect "predictions" they've made. While there's definitely still a ton of sheep following and believing this narrative, there's still enough people out there smelling the BS. That being said, people being aware of the fuckery doesn't mean that the MSM will stop it. I've already seen tweets from "journalists" straight up admitting that what they're doing is pushing propaganda, but apparently it's okay now.
 
This "Cold War 2.0" is such a pathetic circus. While it's all understandable with Vladimir (c'mon the guy is getting old), I don't understand the western reaction to that bullshit. If Vova wants to have WW3 - ok, go ahead. Get youself a new Aphganistan and perchaps a stabber in your ass from your dear friends whose kids and grand-grand-kids are not even Russian citizens. Just supply the Ukraine with juvelins or whatever shit and wait for it. The thing is that nothing will happen, because waaagh exists only in the infected with dementia heads from Kremlin and on the frontpages of retarded media who like good old clickbait. But doing so requires not being pathetic cucks, have some actual balls and at least a small understanding what modern Russki is. None of the fags like Macron or whatever his name cuck from Germany have that, besides it's comfy to proclaim "We StoPpEd WW3!!11|" when it would never happen anyway.
 
I kinda disagree on the idea that most of the populace are sheep due to already seeing a ton of comments calling out MSMs "boy who called wolf" routine and openly mocking the supposed "US intel" reports due to the increasingly incorrect "predictions" they've made.
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Directly from the BBC.

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If this unfunny retard doesn't understand that lying now might, in some small chance, save his country from an invasion it would never recover from, I am now 100% onboard with a Russian invasion of Ukraine. If for no other reason than they voted the biggest fucking retard into office. If they're this stupid, I fully believe Zelensky is retarded enough to mortar some shitty rusted-out and moldy homes in Donbas in the vain hope that Daddy Biden is sun downing hard enough that day to authorize an American counterattack on a Russian invasion.
 
Directly from the BBC.

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If this unfunny retard doesn't understand that lying now might, in some small chance, save his country from an invasion it would never recover from, I am now 100% onboard with a Russian invasion of Ukraine. If for no other reason than they voted the biggest fucking retard into office. If they're this stupid, I fully believe Zelensky is retarded enough to mortar some shitty rusted-out and moldy homes in Donbas in the vain hope that Daddy Biden is sun downing hard enough that day to authorize an American counterattack on a Russian invasion.
I just saw this headline on BBC and it made me laugh out loud. Like, jesus Christ, how hard are they trying to make this war happen?

Is this the last throw of the dice? NATO membership for Ukraine is probably the one thing that Russia would have to invade over. So that's where we're at now. It looked like things were cooling down, so they have to plop that down on the table.
 
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Yup.

Seriously, why would Ukraine be willing to do that when they know how hot the situation is? I'm not usually one to buy into the 'false flag' bullshit, but this reeks.
Theres a chance Ukraine is under the assumption daddy US will bail them out. They’ve been pushing propaganda articles for attention from hero lady buys rifle to fight Russia to kids learning how to strip rifle to fight Russia for weeks now. It’s the same as during the Maiden and the separatists with Ukraine putting on a big show for western media while covering up either killing protestors or shelling rebels during ceasefires.

Ukraine and Russia I don’t trust at all. They both have that slavic “I dindu nuffin and while I did do that it was nuffin wrong” mentality.
 
Theres a chance Ukraine is under the assumption daddy US will bail them out. They’ve been pushing propaganda articles for attention from hero lady buys rifle to fight Russia to kids learning how to strip rifle to fight Russia for weeks now. It’s the same as during the Maiden and the separatists with Ukraine putting on a big show for western media while covering up either killing protestors or shelling rebels during ceasefires.
this reminds me of those afghan yuppies who were not half a year ago saying to that reporter all like: "Taliban won't come to Kabul, they advised by China and Russia, they wouldn't dare risk US sending a gorrilion troops in response!" or of those 3 'brave wymn fighting the Taliban oppression' that were paraded around on social media right after the first statement.

it's not impossible. and the results will likely be similar.
 
Russia isn't going to invade Ukraine, and the USA certainly isn't going to be going to war with Russia over Ukraine. It's all political theatre.

Russia under Putin is a miserable kleptocracy, desperate to remain relevant against a backdrop of political and economic decline: it has an expanding NATO/EU to it's West, an expanding China to it's East, an economy which is largely dependent upon natural gas, and a massive brain drain which is only going to grow more dire as the country's predicament becomes continuously more precarious.

Putin's grandstanding over Ukraine's political allegiance is understandable from the standpoint of political expediency, but in the end it amounts to little more than a tactic to distract his people from the realities of their country's stagnation under his leadership, and while Russia is still militarily formidable, an invasion of Ukraine is not a gamble which is going to work out for Russia; not militarily, and certainly not economically or politically.

As for the United States: the US wants to be seen to be taking a hard line on Russian belligerence, which makes sense from the standpoint of upholding international trust in NATO, but ultimately, America needs to tread very carefully. Ukraine is on Russia's doorstep, and although an overly antagonistic move by Russia would likely backfire, a too heavy-handed response by Washington would likely backfire even harder.

America has a habit of overestimating it's military capabilities, and we've seen the devastating result of that in Afghanistan. I hope that somebody important takes heed of that, because Ukraine/Russia is in a different league altogether.
 
Putin's grandstanding over Ukraine's political allegiance is understandable from the standpoint of political expediency, but in the end it amounts to little more than a tactic to distract his people from the realities of their country's stagnation under his leadership
Please, this is a Reddit-tier argument. I am sure you are smarter than that. The majority of Russians don't give a single flying fuck about Putin's grandstanding about Ukraine. The state media is going out of its way to report as little as possible about it, in a stark contrast to the hysteria I am seeing in English-speaking foreign outlets.

Just the other day lawmaker Kazbek Taysayev stated that Russians are ready to sacrifice their end of the year bonuses to help Donbass. This led to an absolute shitshow of a backlash, with people clamoring for resignation of the bloated shitface.

An offensive war is going to destabilize the internal situation and ruin Putin's support, not fix it. Which is likely going to lead to the Belarussian scenario, but that's a different story.
 
NATO membership for Ukraine is probably the one thing that Russia would have to invade over. So that's where we're at now. It looked like things were cooling down, so they have to plop that down on the table.
If not for Russian behavior in the last 8 years Ukraine would not even think of NATO membership. I swear it seems like everything bad that happens to Russia they brought on themselves.
 
If not for Russian behavior in the last 8 years Ukraine would not even think of NATO membership. I swear it seems like everything bad that happens to Russia they brought on themselves.
Lmao, pro-west ukrainian oligarchs and NATO have been pushing for Ukraine in NATO since the dissolution of the Soviet Union, and have been prepping it for decades, only the pro-russian side held them back. Said pro-russian side got coup'd the fuck out in 2014, in totally organic fashion obviously.
 
An offensive war is going to destabilize the internal situation and ruin Putin's support, not fix it. Which is likely going to lead to the Belarussian scenario, but that's a different story.
That is pretty much my point. Putin doesn't really want to wage an offensive war in Ukraine, and doing so would likely backfire; what he wants is to put on a show of belligerence for the West so that the prospect of a fast track NATO membership for Ukraine becomes increasingly untenable to Western diplomats, because an increasingly Western-looking Ukraine is bad for Russia's standing on the international stage, and thus bad for his own image as a steward for his country's future.

The reason that Russia's more belligerent rhetoric is being downplayed at home is because Putin wants to frame this as a defensive maneuver to his own people. He wants to frame NATO's mobilization against Russia as "Western aggression", even though he is the one who largely initiated all this.
 
difference is this sort of shooting never leaves the local news in ukraine but Russian media (and western media reporting on the russian reports) are amplifying this one.

This is something that a lot of people don't realize, but that zone was hot all those years and they used to read out casualty list for the day on evening news plus how many time the "ceasefire" was violated.

Ukrainians common complaint is that they were being shelled by calibers higher than 120mm (forbidden by Minsk agreements), "separatists" endlessly bitch about genocide, even though since 2014, there has been plenty of evidence that they themselves would periodically shell locals to manufacture outrage to keep it in the news. Sometimes they move artillery next to churches/ buildings (the locals themselves aren't happy about it, hence the vids) shell and run, with response fire coming back and leveling civs. There are also instances of literally setting up artillery with half pointing in the opposite direction to simulate both attack and "response".


That is pretty much my point. Putin doesn't really want to wage an offensive war in Ukraine, and doing so would likely backfire; what he wants is to put on a show of belligerence for the West so that the prospect of a fast track NATO membership for Ukraine becomes increasingly untenable to Western diplomats, because an increasingly Western-looking Ukraine is bad for Russia's standing on the international stage, and thus bad for his own image as a steward for his country's future.

The reason that Russia's more belligerent rhetoric is being downplayed at home is because Putin wants to frame this as a defensive maneuver to his own people. He wants to frame NATO's mobilization against Russia as "Western aggression", even though he is the one who largely initiated all this.

One big mistake, imho, people think that Putin is one person who makes the decisions, while in reality he is a figure head (always been) and is torn between his closest circle (like Patrushev et al) of x-Soviet glory war hawks vs oligarchs who just want to grill.

If you assume that to be true, the schizoid behavior of "Vlad" makes more sense. You have lunatic ultimatums to roll back NATO membership to 1997 borders interspersed with concessions. There is no unified front on what Russia wants. Lavrov sais one thing, his zam says another, state media changes its narrative on daily basis. You can build any narrative and cherry pick Russian voices to support your point.


One thing that's always certain, you can never trust Russian official narrative, not even by typical political standards. When you have head of the country says that those are not his soldiers, then it's military advisors only to local self-defense forces (with all evidence pointing to contrary) then it's full on, yes, we were there all along. How can you make sense of the country's intent then, anything that comes out of Cremlin may as well be discarded as lies.
 
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