Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

A bit of 'tism regarding whether Joe is paying retail to consoom ugly designer crap: I think he is.

From Twitter:
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lmao:
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The sweater is from the current season Alexander McQueen men's collection:
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Now, he's posted pics in that circular fabric-walled dressing room before. I think it's the dressing room in the McQueen boutique in NYC. According to this article (https://archive.md/CdKNk) about the boutique:
An all-fabric dressing room in an ethnic print hangs from the ceiling.
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So he's in the McQueen boutique trying shit on. I don't think there's any way he then leaves the store and buys fake or secondhand. He's paying full retail--$2500 for that cardigan. And if we believe his account of Lily putting his $3k coat on her credit card, he's blowing his money as soon as he gets paid every month. Or before.

Men, even men with Joe's dumpy build, can look great in flamboyant designer clothes. There's nothing inherently wrong with buying them. It's just STUNNING to me what an insane amount of money Joe spends to look so unbelievably awful. He has no style, no ability to make his avant-garde items look intentional instead of slobby, zero ability to put together a coherent outfit. To Joe, thoughtlessly squandering a month's rent on a single item in an ultraluxury boutique is the key to looking good, but it's just not. It's actually kinda surprising--and sad--how persistently horrible he manages to look.

Totally unrelated but I spotted this extremely homosexual gay man in Joe's Twitter replies. "Crispin" :story: :
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Ah, it seems all the hormones and dress flouncing in the world doesn't erase the fact that men have a higher level of uric acid in their system and will more likely suffer from gout flareups. Women tend only to get it after menopause. It's quite a rare condition for pre-menopausal women.

Take that, Staggering Penis!
Fuck me, if I haven't gotten gout yet with all the rich foods I'm too weak to stay away from, I can only imagine the kind of bacchanalia Joe lives every day. I guess we know now why his face looks like a Hefty bag full of well-used cat litter.
 
I had a horror realisation of who Joe's attempts at a hair "style" remind me of: Björn Andrésen aka "the most beautiful boy in the world".

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Is this maybe what he deludes himself he looks like?

Also if I worked at the McQueen shop or any of the other high end labels he shrouds himself in I'd be like, Please, Sir: I can't let you be the advertisement for this brand, no one in their right mind will want it anymore.

Then again, only morons would spend $2 470 on a cardigan. I was about to say their household dry cleaning bill must be staggering but, how silly of me. As if anything gets cleaned.

Also "Crispin" (lmao) looks like a young Lily! If she's lucky she can be Joe's new sidepiece!
 
Joe's clothing purchases remind me of fellow troon Kevin Gibe's plastic toy consumption/hoarding. Kevin admitted once that his excessive consumption of toys was cope for his gender dysphoria and that once he got his new AmHole, the desire for retail therapy went away. That lasted a couple of months and once the high of getting the cock chop wore off he went back to compulsive shopping.

Joe's using his shopping as a cope. It makes him feel important and special to flaunt buying designer clothing. I bet he needs it after his book fiasco. Now that he's run through his substack money, how in the world is he going to keep up with the Kardashians? I guess Mallory pays all the bills and Joe's income is his to blow as he chooses. Would be cheaper to just go back to drinking. Being a landwhale is just as bad for your liver as drinking, so I doubt he's gotten much benefit from replacing alcohol with binge eating and shopping.
 
I guess Mallory pays all the bills and Joe's income is his to blow as he chooses.
It's possible they still split the bills and Joe just immediately blows whatever is left over--if he's getting advance money for his next book (as he claimed) it's possible there's a little more dough coming in than just his Berkeley salary. But what money is Mallory making these days?! She does that awful Slate podcast, has her Substack...and?

EDIT: I love these juxtapositions. Joe, festooned like a clown with pank eyeshadow up to his eyebrows, lip gloss up to his nose, desperately mugging, wrapped in a swathe of tulle...vs an actual woman:
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And just for..."fun"?
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His writing here is a little more palatable than on his blog, but I can't follow the emotional arc very well. Maybe it's because I've read him write about this moment before and know what feelings he's trying to convey, but parts are frustratingly vague and hard to follow. It starts very matter-of-fact about Viagra-taking and then dives into a complete mental spiral. I suppose you could say that mirrors what actually happened to him, so he's producing the feelings of anxiety with prose, but the reader has to feel tethered to it somehow. A good editor would have asked him to balance the scene better with concrete actions. Describe how Mallory is comforting him, not just "my partner was beautiful and glorious and elegant." Very abstract, so it comes off as insincere and exaggerated.

It sounds here like the Viagra had no effect at all and he was just panicking because he thought it was an aphrodisiac. You do actually have to be aroused for them to work, and he's like "NO, I just want to be cozy." How materialist, to not bother to understand the effects of something before you take it, and then get absorbed in a separate mental agony that is entirely caused by ignorance and not related to anything happening in his body.

But I can understand how a drug overriding your thoughts would be frightening for a recovering addict, even if you're stupid and have no idea what the drug actually does, but he never brings that point up! It's all a lot of throat-clearing about how trans women do this all the time, don't worry, and I only did it because of peer pressure, and also it sucks that I didn't get to experience this with a trans woman, instead all I had was this "they/them" eunuch beside me who just wanted to watch Bojack Horseman in piece. "I know things now," but what do you know? It's unclear. The sentences themselves are fine (I actually like the part about how the best narrative endings are "and that's how I proved myself wrong"), but he lurches from idea to idea without any connective tissue other than stream-of-consciousness, getting in digs about no one believing in "a binary" while sobbing about how he doesn't want to be a nonbinary hermaphrodite after all.

/review
In late here, but this passage reads like my personal (private) journal entries, a dialectical mishmash of a description of an event with the emotions around it.

This is why I try to remember to edit before making any of it public.

That said, it's much better than when he attempts to articulate or create theory /principles. The small bits of those efforts I've read were parodic, and you can't convince me otherwise.

I'm pretty sure academic philosophy should be at least internally consistent.

In any case, I'm quite new to this person, but was familiar with Danny in the Prudence years/witnessed that difficult arc. The appearance of the relationship with Jos/Grace, and specifically the humiliation and public disregard, is sad to see (though with an evangelical background, maybe that's part of the kink?). Normally, I am not bothered by people's choices (or repercussions), but I hope (in vain, I am sure) that Danny has some secret accounts somewhere. There is always Nicole, I guess.
"'I don't understand,' said simple Danny. God, he was blessed."

I can't imagine my spouse writing this about me except in the context of immediate divorce.
Wtf was the actual context of this?

Random question - was there ever any discussion of the decision for the couple to become "the Laverys"? Birth-biological woman takes birth-biological man's last name in marriage is so....non-transgressive. It is, though, perfectly in line with actual traditional roles according to their birth-bio sex/gender. Hormones and pronouns aside, they are recreating the exact dynamic their original bodies/genders would in any generically hetero-standard misogynistic dysfunctional relationship.

Did that make sense, or am I Jos-ing? I mean: deciding to transition happens for many reasons. One of them is often a rejection of traditional or binary concepts for both individuals and for society/roles in general. Another is an internal sense of self/gender that is different than the biological sex characteristics would indicate.

To reject all of that, undergo medical intervention, adopt external physical characteristics (both surgically /hormonally and style/cosmetic-wise), and decide to exist in the world as the opposite or a completely different gender to that which you appeared to be, biologically aligned to, and lived as for the first x years of life - all of that, only to, in your newly aligned /affirmed/whatever gender and presentation, retreat to the negative and clichéd psychodynamics of the gender/identity you supposedly left behind seems...problematic, like maybe you haven't actually aligned at all and are still stuck in the old-school mess that is patriarchal fuckery or whatever were your messed-up home dynamics in childhood.

You changed everything, but you're still the same asshole in a dysfunctional gender caricature and dynamic as ever. You've not rejected "traditional" society or gender expectations at all. All this to become and be seen and accepted as something different than everyone has assumed or been taught you were (not an easy road, when undertaken in earnest), and yet you still play the worst of the old role.

I don't suggest this is the case for all or even most or a lot of trans folks - I'm an ally and find most TERFs demented. But in this particular case, there's a delusion of...something - freedom, rejection of "the old ways," finding one's best self, that doesn't seem present or complete.

Now, for the self-absorbed/narc-adjacent (at a minimum) white male (also educated) (and tall-ish(?), one of those little things that are often said to bring some built-in positive perceptions) who hasn't actually made any permanent external changes to his body, who has and uses full allowance to fuck and fall in love with anyone, who is essentially an upper-middle-class version of a hobosexual living off the largesse of his spouse - retaining the "traditional" toxic aspects of the male in hetero/cis relationships, this is a win-win, of course. "Living your truth" while preserving your privilege and relational power. Nice job. Easy to be edgy with nothing to risk. (Nevermind the groupie factor, which of course is there, and Jos will, again because that's how it is for men who gain notoriety, have far more "options" of that sort than Danny.)

But for Danny, Mallory is still there (as he wrote at some point), and as the codependent female archetype in this relationship, Mallory, and thus Danny, is still left doing the emotional labor for the narcissistic, needy male archetype; tending the home front while homegirl spouse is trying to stick or be stuck constantly; putting his career second, despite its being more lucrative; being shaded as a mere support/prop/orbiter around the Sun/son; and never, ever publicly objecting to being made to look like every other silly woman who threw it all away for some dick that doesn't even want her anymore. ☹️

@FarmVille 🤗
 
Random question - was there ever any discussion of the decision for the couple to become "the Laverys"? Birth-biological woman takes birth-biological man's last name in marriage is so....non-transgressive. It is, though, perfectly in line with actual traditional roles according to their birth-bio sex/gender.
THIS is the thing that broke me back when I still used to follow Mallory's SM, after she'd become "Danny" and I still had residual Toast days loyalty. When I saw that she'd changed her name as per the usual sexist convention, I fucking couldn't. I unfollowed her then. I don't think I've ever witnessed a troon hetero couple who don't retain the woman - even if she's "the man" (lol) - being the one to take the man's surname.

As a woman who finds the surname change thing ludicrous, I can't see a better, clearer example of troonery changing absolutely zero about true male/female power dynamics. Mal may *actually* be the more successful partner, but it's so obvious Joe holds the power. Everything is to please and placate him. Mal gets none of the fun stuff.

Barfworthy thought, but I imagine the only troon men who would ever take their female-to-male partner's name was if they decided it was part of their subservience fetish, to hark back to the history of women as the man's property - which is exactly why as a woman I find taking men's surnames so fucking gross.
 
I enjoyed sharing a laugh with a male friend last night as we read the Mallory-snuffles -a-perineum-and-flaccid-penis scene while she and Jos call a small indentation in his crotch a “pussy.” A pretend vagina. Are you kidding me.

Was it Potatis Salad that said Jos was a pro at the self own? Because I would have to agree. He appears to have no sense of self respect or self preservation. Those are details you simply don’t share, unless you follow it up with “And then they medicated me and I realized that small indentation in my taint is not a vagina and now I’m sane again.”
 
LOL no thanks
The zoom is going to need to be broadcast without video because if joes argument is “I’m a woman” like, we’ve got eyes.
In fact we won't really need ears to hear either. The debate should be broadcast for free on BBC because it won't have any value besides unmasking this absolute clown for what he is.
 
Oh my god, I cannot wait for the monumental chimpout on Twitter afterwards - already looking forward to it. He's going to make such a colossal ass out of himself, it's going to be glorious. Someone from here needs to see it and recap for the thread, I'm tempted myself but would imagine much of it will appear on YouTube at some point.

Honestly, even referring to both of them as "authors" implies a parity that doesn't really exist; but then, I think the titles of their respective "works" make that fairly abundantly clear.
 
The graphic must be old though I doubt Joe is going to want to still be associated with a book that couldn’t crack the top 20k on Amazon
 
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