Philosophy Tube / Oliver Lennard / Oliver "Olly" Thorn / Abigail Thorn - Breadtube's Patrick Bateman.

[narcissistic injury]

Contra's "Chad" wasn't Ollie, though. I mean that much is obvious from how she describes him. Ollie is too corny for Contra to brag about having dated. Didn't we settle on it being that Olympic spear thrower? That's much funnier anyway.

Ollie is still obsessed with Contra years later, meanwhile she makes a tearful video lamenting how despite her best efforts, she simply couldn't make herself love... some other, better bloke.

No I really think we’ve landed on it being Olly.

I think the Shame video was just loaded with exaggerations and outright lies.

Hence the podcast retraction essentially. Saying it was just intricate house of card of lies. Never even experienced romantic feelings for a man.

 

[AfghanBlue]

I love coming here for my regular fill of ugly British ppl

Is that the one Alexa Chung dated? They’re all the same to me.

Another reason why I am iffy on fleabag… I am like an anglophobe after watching my nerdy tween friends think they were so edgy for watching shit ass Sskins and ….. mighty boos….?? …… doctor who??? Thinking they were such quirky edgelords

#notlikeothergirls
No… you’re SO MUCH WORSE

I should make a monologue video about that called Women. Trauma. Abuse. about how hard it was for me to have a couple friends try and force me to look at ugly faces and pretend I thought they were cool and different for knowing about British “culture” :’’’’’(


SHOW US YOUR FACE OLLY. YOU OWE IT TO THE FANS. THEY PAID FOR IT.

The term for such people is Teaboos.
All of those 3 mentioned shows were fucking dog shit. There is loads of really really good stuff which was nowhere in proximity to those kind of things though.
Gib us another chance.

Were the libertines (Now-fat guy, Pete Doherty, yes u think he did date Chung maybe idrk who she is) not a big band over the pond? Huh. They were good.

(-edit: no fucking way is chube Chad btw)


On the subject of Contra being catty.. I dont really think so, at least not too badly.
No one who isn’t obsessed would really know or care and I think for example, somewhat basing a character on Blair is pretty fair game really, considering she at at least gives her characters something of an airing of their ideas-
And compared to all the literal TMI sex stuff olly talks about regarding her specifically on the reg, both at the time and STILL now, I think she pales in comparison and is well within rights to vaguely suggest a few things here and there.

 

[PennyAni]

Has the Joanfromlegal account ever been considered ol lies burner?

I would bet anything against it. There have been months where she single handedly kept the subreddit afloat, and she kisses Olly's ass all the time. BUT she's also oddly come very close to some common sense opinions recently. Like her first posts in that heavily-censored BTS thread. And now this.

Ngl, I think her being called a "TERF" will do her nothing but good.

 

[Shotgun Badger]

On the subject of Contra being catty.. I dont really think so, at least not too badly.
No one who isn’t obsessed would really know or care and I think for example, somewhat basing a character on Blair is pretty fair game really, considering she at at least gives her characters something of an airing of their ideas-
And compared to all the literal TMI sex stuff olly talks about regarding her specifically on the reg, both at the time and STILL now, I think she pales in comparison and is well within rights to vaguely suggest a few things here and there.

I think its generally very inappropriate the way that Contrapoints gushes about so many of her personal details in a way that frequently ropes in most of her former partners and lets the entire internet know all about the gory details, with some really inflammatory stuff she acts all innocent about. Its made worse by the fact that she so obviously has a bunch of problems with her mental health and addiction issues. Suffice to say, I'm glad I'm not her friend, she's constantly giving out way too much information and then seemingly regretting doing so.

I mention the Tiffany Tumbles video because when I watched that it really caused me to lose any remaining respect for her, the video is bizarre, meandering nonsense with nothing to say of any worth, when I found out the context about her debate with White and how she was obviously malding here and trying to belittle her as much as possible all I could see it as was petty jabs at people she doesn't like, and I don't even like Blaire White in the first place.

Even with Philosophy Tube, she's online enough that she surely must know about the rumours that swirl around about the two of them up to and including the sexual assault suspicions. If she wanted to she could just make a quick tweet saying something to the effect of 'Look, me and Oliver once had a relationship and I'm not on speaking terms with him anymore but regardless don't believe the worst things you read on 4chan', instead she dropped just enough fuel on the fire with the vague way she's alluded to him and stayed mum while people came up with all sorts of theories, I think she enjoys the drama and is happy to provoke it without compromising herself in any way she can.

At the very least, if PT actually do something like that towards her I think it would absolutely be her duty to call him the fuck out publicly on what he did exactly and expose him so that people can see how he really is and know to avoid him. But as it stands I don't find the worst evidence about their relationship convincing enough to see it as anything other than a bad breakup.

 

[PennyAni]

I'm not defending troons here, but your claim that black women aren't less feminine on average is wrong.

"On average" black women aren't less feminine on average than other women.

With all due respect, can we ditch the weird racist hot takes and get back to Chube?


EDIT: Just got caught up on last couple threads. We've talked about this ad nauseam elsewhere and earlier in the thread and in the Breadtube/Contra threads and I'd bet anything we decided that Olly was most likely *NOT* Chad.

 

[Freesia]

"On average" black women aren't less feminine on average than other women.

With all due respect, can we ditch the weird racist hot takes and get back to Chube?


EDIT: Just got caught up on last couple threads. We've talked about this ad nauseam elsewhere and earlier in the thread and in the Breadtube/Contra threads and I'd bet anything we decided that Olly was most likely *NOT* Chad.

The conversation was already over when you decided to butt in for some reason. Yes black women are less feminine. The point the other poster was making is that troons are wrong for equating femininity with femaleness, but she decided to go further by saying that there is no difference in femininity at all.

You're falling in the troons' trap by making that argument since you're accepting their premise. The obvious counter should be that just because some women are less feminine doesn't mean they're not women anymore because being a woman is not a skinsuit that any troon can wear. But if you make easily disprovable claims then troons will weigh that over your head as evidence that their ideology is correct.

 

[lady stoneheart]

Another reason why I am iffy on fleabag… I am like an anglophobe after watching my nerdy tween friends think they were so edgy for watching shit ass Sskins and ….. mighty boos….?? …… doctor who??? Thinking they were such quirky edgelords

#notlikeothergirls
No… you’re SO MUCH WORSE

I should make a monologue video about that called Women. Trauma. Abuse. about how hard it was for me to have a couple friends try and force me to look at ugly faces and pretend I thought they were cool and different for knowing about British “culture” :’’’’’(


SHOW US YOUR FACE OLLY. YOU OWE IT TO THE FANS. THEY PAID FOR IT.

love the energy of this comment and ngl TARDIS dress girls and Holy Grail quote boys made me racist against br*tish people so i get you.

I think its generally very inappropriate the way that Contrapoints gushes about so many of her personal details in a way that frequently ropes in most of her former partners and lets the entire internet know all about the gory details, with some really inflammatory stuff she acts all innocent about. Its made worse by the fact that she so obviously has a bunch of problems with her mental health and addiction issues. Suffice to say, I'm glad I'm not her friend, she's constantly giving out way too much information and then seemingly regretting doing so.

not to derail the thread by talking about Contra too much but the oversharing is just a (probably unconscious) method of inducing parasocial fan relationships with a weird lack of boundaries and self esteem. like how some dudes who really want to date/fuck you will try to draw you in and inappropriately emotionally bond with you way too early, by talking about how all their ex were crazy and daddy didn’t love them on like the 3rd date. olly did this in his videos too back before all the crossdressing, now he is (unusually for TIMs) trying really hard to present a more polished and put-together image, and has stopped with the weepy insincere oversharing. chube’s is significantly more insincere and purposely manipulative i might add, it all seems very calculated whereas contra’s seems due to a genuine lack of ability to regulate himself (although it is no less manipulative for being less purposeful)

 

[esmeggs]

EDIT: Just got caught up on last couple threads. We've talked about this ad nauseam elsewhere and earlier in the thread and in the Breadtube/Contra threads and I'd bet anything we decided that Olly was most likely *NOT* Chad.

Oh my god. Olly literally posted about how he went to Disneyland with a "girl"friend at the beginning of their relationship and that they fucked around then. This was him referring to when he met Contrapoints in person at Vidcon and they went to Disneyland together, which would have been at the start of their relationship. There are literally photos of this plus a dozen comments of Contra referring to Olly as a "Chad" and Olly referring to himself as a "Chad" (for ex., Contra commenting "we stan an ikea shelf breaking chad" under his video about how his girlfriend before Contra was abusive). Ockham's Razor bad and can't be applied to real life situations or whatever but seriously.

The only evidence that he dated the other guy is that Contrapoints liked and commented heart eye emojis on a few of his Instagram posts.
ETA-

Applejack is somehow too stupid to realize that "man pretending to be a woman" is different from "woman". Olly is acting like his body decided to spontaneously grow moobs because he woke up one day and jacked off to sissy-hypno porn and not because he's taking cross-sex hormones.

 

[Anteros]

I've come to the conclusion that Contrapoints is exceptionally trashy and spiteful about her personal life, she seems to really, really hold grudges against people and try and undermine them in very cutting ways with her platform by dropping ugly details in public with just enough plausible deniability to obscure who she's actually talking about so that nobody can say anything about it out in the open. Like she constantly shit talks previous exes, relationships, friends and associates where most people vaguely aware of her history can probably figure out who she's talking about. Her worst one was the Tiffany Tumbles video where it was really obvious she was setting out to try and denigrate and humiliate Blaire White for having beaten her in a debate like a year previously, and the video had no reason to exist beyond that. She's given a treatment like this to Theryn Meyer, the mystery high profile leftist she says sexually assaulted her and of course our boy Olly.

I almost feel bad that Olly is on the receiving end of her catty wrath, but then, not really. These people are made for each other.

Literally. The way Contra's treated Theryn's rejection of him was especially fucked up, not only making an entire hour long video crying about it but also bringing it up in every opportunity he can (in his video on JK Rowling, Envy, livestreams) using passive aggressive comments ("what is it with Joannes?") and thinly veiled references that anyone aware of Contra and Theryn's online presence can understand (him referring to the "socially conservative trans woman" he liked in a recent livestream for example). The Shame video especially revealed lots of personal stuff.

Which makes me wonder... where does Olly fit into any of this? Did he ever have any online interaction with Theryn at all or acknowledged his existence?

I can't imagine Olly feeling positively about Contra's continued infatuation with Theryn. Tfw you're a disgusting hon skulled British AGP tranny slob obsessed with a more successful American tranny ex... but said American tranny ex is still not over his exotic blue eyed South African HSTS tranny ex.

It's kind of a loss that we didn't get to see the all-tranny transcontinental love triangle story arc play out to its full potential.

 

[esmeggs]

Which makes me wonder... where does Olly fit into any of this? Did he ever have any online interaction with Theryn at all or acknowledged his existence?

We got this but that's it I think:

I would kill to know how some of those interactions went.

 

[Anteros]

We got this but that's it I think:
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I would kill to know how some of those interactions went.

Shit, Theryn meets all the criteria (well... except "female" but we all know how trans princess Oliver meant it). I wish we had more info too.

Who wants to bet it was Olly who was being an insufferable prick?

 

[Tombigbee]

I’d love to know what Contra thinks about Oliver’s INSANE theory - about literally being female. Contra has said in several videos, “no trans woman thinks she’s biologically female, we’re talking about psychological and social realities.” Or he said in response to people saying “you’ll never be a woman, Nathan. Every chromosome in your body is male…” that being “keenly aware” of this difference is why he experienced dysphoria and decided to transition. But yeah I hope someone asks him what he thinks about this new crackpot theory. Is it common among troons these days?

And plus one for @esmeggs point about Olly being “Chad.” I was about to remind people how gushing Contra was about Oliver in a livestream he did with “Theryn.” Basically calling Oliver a stud, saying “we Stan” him, and generally communicating that he was super infatuated with him. Which in retrospect is so funny and like I said makes me wonder what Contra thinks when Oliver tries to “out-Tranny” Contra with his insane claims about being female. It’s such a Frankenstein moment. And so funny to know that Contra’s sexy Chad, who allegedly straight women were jealous of him for dating, turned into this despicable grotesque tranny freak. On the other hand, while I find it shocking and hilarious, it’s probably par for the course among all these “queer” and non-binary types who are constantly changing genders and identities and “coming out” etc.

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

I’d love to know what Contra thinks about Oliver’s INSANE theory - about literally being female. Contra has said in several videos, “no trans woman thinks she’s biologically female, we’re talking about psychological and social realities.” Or he said in response to people saying “you’ll never be a woman, Nathan. Every chromosome in your body is male…” that being “keenly aware” of this difference is why he experienced dysphoria and decided to transition. But yeah I hope someone asks him what he thinks about this new crackpot theory. Is it common among troons these days?

This kind of pseudoscientific retardation is getting more and more prevalent these days, something along the lines of "I'm a woman so my body is a woman's therefore it's female meaning I'm a biological female". Former biochemistry professor James Gregory "Dr. Emmy Zje" "Jammy Memmy Jimmy" Radich loves spouting hot takes like this all day, every day. His number one claim to fame was asserting HRT made his ballsack smell "like a vag", his other widely known take is "estrogen feminized me on a cellular level" (paraphrasing), and he's also one of the originators of the "WELL SEX IS NOT BINARY IT'S ACTUALLY BIMODAL" line.

Hontra might be a complete degenerate and a druggie but he's somewhat self-aware. Ol' Lies and the rest of the Troonosphere however are spiraling into madness.

 

[Clem Fandango]

Never thought these retards would go down the route of claiming to be "biologically" women, or "female". Isn't this a super recwnt development?

I thought the party line was that gender was a distinct concept from sex? That was at least somewhat arguable. Like, I disagree with it but you could have se sort of academic or philosophical debate about gender roles, perception, identity, etc. and dress it up so you don't sound completely nuts.

What's the idea with changing this to "we were always biologically female"? That's not even slightly debatable. We can literally do science tests on your DNA to see that, no, you're not. Hell, even an x-ray (or just functioning eyes, but if you need to put it in "sciencey" terms) can easily reveal your male bone structure.

Really feels like a losing strategy guys. But whatever, carry on I guess.

 

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

I love that Olly's trooning out gives Hontra's fans cognitive dissonance.

 

[Puddleduck]

Re JoanFromLegal being an Olly burner, I don't think it actually is, but I seem to remember Tommy Wiseau would larp as "John from Legal"

Also I think people are against the idea of Olly being "Chad" is because they want to think Contra has higher standards than to think of Olly as a Chad...

 

[narcissistic injury]

Contra's "Chad" wasn't Ollie, though. I mean that much is obvious from how she describes him. Ollie is too corny for Contra to brag about having dated. Didn't we settle on it being that Olympic spear thrower? That's much funnier anyway.

Ollie is still obsessed with Contra years later, meanwhile she makes a tearful video lamenting how despite her best efforts, she simply couldn't make herself love... some other, better bloke.

I think the Shame video was just loaded with exaggerations and outright lies. Also I do think she felt badly about it back when Olly was not pretending to be a woman.

Hence the podcast retraction essentially - contra has dropped the apologetic tearfulness now because she despises Olly. No more mentioning “Chad” pseudonym because she’s disgusted by “Chad” now. Because Chad is a 240 lb lad dressing in frilly little frocks copying contras every move.

So instead of the lamentations from the shame vid, the narrative has now changed. Saying it was just intricate house of card of lies. Never even experienced romantic feelings for a man.

However. Note that contra still references “Joanne” in the pod and the story is the same - contra was madly in love and infatuated with Joanne and they had to stop contact after didn’t reciprocate

Also I think people are against the idea of Olly being "Chad" is because they want to think Contra has higher standards than to think of Olly as a Chad...

Yes I had a hard time accepting it because of this

It’s so gross and seems … beneath? Contra.

But it really solidified for me that she is an unreliable narrator.

She literally just lied and convinced herself Olly was a Chad

 

[squirt reynolds]

Contra’s sexy Chad, who allegedly straight women were jealous of him for dating, turned into this despicable grotesque tranny freak.

This kinda made me feel a little bad about the whole tranny situation in the world. Imagine your crush trooning out. It's fun to jeer at these people, but something about the lost potential just hit me in a weird way.

 

[Puddleduck]

Yes I had a hard time accepting it because of this

It’s so gross and seems … beneath? Contra

I really like Contra but let's remember we're talking about a transwoman with a huge amount of (other) psychological hangups and self-loathing ... Her idea of a Chad (and especially one who she'd see as accessible) would probably be a lot lower than other people.

Never even experienced romantic feelings for a man.

Because Ollie "isn't a man", remember!!

 

[Excited Eraser]

Never thought these retards would go down the route of claiming to be "biologically" women, or "female". Isn't this a super recwnt development?

I thought the party line was that gender was a distinct concept from sex? That was at least somewhat arguable. Like, I disagree with it but you could have se sort of academic or philosophical debate about gender roles, perception, identity, etc. and dress it up so you don't sound completely nuts.

What's the idea with changing this to "we were always biologically female"? That's not even slightly debatable. We can literally do science tests on your DNA to see that, no, you're not. Hell, even an x-ray (or just functioning eyes, but if you need to put it in "sciencey" terms) can easily reveal your male bone structure.

Really feels like a losing strategy guys. But whatever, carry on I guess.

The idea is to, as always, change the language. That can never stop, because like all good soldiers of Foucault they believe language is the source of power (more or less). That's why there doesn't need to be a party line that can be debated reasonably because the goal is for there to be no debate possible at all. Attacks on words and their meanings are just the front line, see also 'people with cervixes' and similar nonsense. In this specific instance the goal is to just change what the word 'female' means, so that the statement 'biologically female' ends up being meaningless, also making debate meaningless. Something like:

Trans women are women -> women are biologically female -> trans women are biologically female

Olly has made basically this point a few times now. He says he's a woman so that automatically also means his body is female, 'biologically'. If you read this and think it makes absolutely no sense at all, you're correct. That's the point. Olly loves this because it surely cannot have escaped anyone's notice that it's almost exclusively female words and concepts that are being attacked. Nobody is advocating for the abolishing of men's sports or healthcare.