Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%

  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%

  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%

  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%
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The golden neckbeard said:
maybe. I know drones can be hacked but there is no device that i know of that can deny a large area of Drones. Even AA systems like Patriot Batteries and S-400's cannot pick up these new drones....they constantly get through because they fly like birds and are mistaken generally as birds on the screen. Unless you send something up to look you have no idea. Look at what the Houthi's have done with them.
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Any MANPADS with imaging seekers or SPAAG with airburst ammo will lock down a 5+km radius. Even tiny quadrotors show up perfectly fine on both radar and infrared. The reason large SAMs like Patriot and S-400 aren't used is because their missiles cost more than the drones or anything on the ground they might destroy.

There is also a new generation of SPAA optimized for the anti-drone role already entering service:

www.army.mil

Army to field laser-equipped Stryker prototypes in FY 2022

The Army recently conducted a successful evaluation of a new directed-energy capability, moving one step closer to fielding a four laser-equipped vehicles.
www.army.mil www.army.mil

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Only A Retard Sometimes said:
this is ridiculous. without tanks leading the way any advance will get cut down by infantry and artillery.

The threat from drones and missiles is not new. In fact the whole concept of a Main Battle Tank is a creation of this environment. Tanks had to evolve into highly armored and highly mobile vehicles to survive. and they did. Reactive armor makes them even more of a hard target.

And drones are just filling the same role as ground attack planes like the A-10 and Su-25 did, and by the 1980's that role was going extinct. The A-10 would have been shot down by USSR AAA that trailed along with all tank units. The Russians still have very good AAA, some of the best in the world. including EW/jamming which drones are going to be particularly vulnerable too.
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I was just typing out an autistic post basically saying this same thing.

Bad armor tactics will result in armor losses and we've seen that to be true. But that doesn't make armor obsolete as plenty of dead Ukrainian soldiers will tell you after they got kettled by experienced tank operators in during the separatist civil war.

Drone "swarm" tactics exist only in robotics and AI researchers' minds and don't reflect at all the realities of a real electronic warfare environment.
Hell, the Ukrainians were jamming the OSCE drones' GPS units already. All the Russians have to do is put up an aircraft with a jamming pod on the common drone data link and control frequencies and they're going to be as good as a bunch of lawn darts.

Now, the Ukrainians have 6 Turkish TB2 drones but probably only have 2 ground control stations at this time, per this article, and it's unclear how much ordnance they have for the armed versions. They've secured rights to produce the drones locally in the Ukraine as well but that production hasn't started yet.

I noticed something funny when browsing fixed-wing professional drones on AliExpress.

Makeflyeasy Fighter 2430mm Wingspan EPO
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I happen to own a couple of the sister version (free shipping). Ukrainians, if you are planning on using these against the Russians, I hope you have some excellent EM shielding because the EPO foam is not going to cut it.
 
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The golden neckbeard said:
Oh yes I agree but war like everything else comes down to Cost. a 1 million dollar drone vs a 10 million dollar tank

Anyway, Ukraine now is talking about getting nukes

www.rt.com

Ukraine threatens to renounce its non-nuclear status

Volodymyr Zelensky has not ruled out that Ukraine might renounce its non-nuclear status unless it gets security guarantees
www.rt.com www.rt.com


I think we are hours away from an either a direct Russian attack or a hybrid Russia/Militia attack backed up Russian shit from behind.
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a 1 million dollar drone that fires a 200,000 dollar missile vs a 10 million dollar tank that shoots a 5,000 dollar shell, ~40 times before retreating to replenish its ammunition stores.

And the drone has to be called in and flown to the battle whereas the tank is already there and can fire on demand.
 
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OG Swolemaster said:
Any MANPADS with imaging seekers or SPAAG with airburst ammo will lock down a 5+km radius. Even tiny quadrotors show up perfectly fine on both radar and infrared. The reason large SAMs like Patriot and S-400 aren't used is because their missiles cost more than the drones or anything on the ground they might destroy.

There is also a new generation of SPAA optimized for the anti-drone role already entering service:

www.army.mil

Army to field laser-equipped Stryker prototypes in FY 2022

The Army recently conducted a successful evaluation of a new directed-energy capability, moving one step closer to fielding a four laser-equipped vehicles.
www.army.mil www.army.mil

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Fair enough. Maybe we just haven't seen a competent system deployed yet.
 
Rei is shit said:
If this does go hot disconnect any computer you give a shit about. Might be a good idea to make sure you have data backed up as well.
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I bought puts on the stock market out to June 17th. over 500 contracts at a pretty low strike price. If the sort of happening occurs I think will happen, Ill be a millionaire..as each contract was maybe $60. The thought occurred to me that I wouldn't be able to sell because of Cyber attacks.

Should I set a SELL-CLOSE limit order and let it ride?

I wonder if what the Legacy media is saying is true, that Russian hackers can and will bring down everything. They didn't seem all that effective attacking Ukraine the other day, a few Banks went dark for a couple hours and that was it.
 
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GreeneCoDeputy said:
I was just typing out an autistic post basically saying this same thing.

Bad armor tactics will result in armor losses and we've seen that to be true. But that doesn't make armor obsolete as plenty of dead Ukrainian soldiers will tell you after they got kettled by experienced tank operators in during the separatist civil war.

Drone "swarm" tactics exist only in robotics and AI researchers' minds and don't reflect at all the realities of a real electronic warfare environment.
Hell, the Ukrainians were jamming the OSCE drones' GPS units already. All the Russians have to do is put up an aircraft with a jamming pod on the common drone data link and control frequencies and they're going to be as good as a bunch of lawn darts.

Now, the Ukrainians have 6 Turkish TB2 drones but probably only have 2 ground control stations at this time, per this article, and it's unclear how much ordnance they have for the armed versions. They've secured rights to produce the drones locally in the Ukraine as well but that production hasn't started yet.

I noticed something funny when browsing fixed-wing professional drones on AliExpress.

Makeflyeasy Fighter 2430mm Wingspan EPO
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I happen to own a couple of the sister version (free shipping). Ukrainians, if you are planning on using these against the Russians, I hope you have some excellent EM shielding because the EPO foam is not going to cut it.
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Great find. I am sure its no coincidence
 
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The golden neckbeard said:
maybe. I know drones can be hacked but there is no device that i know of that can deny a large area of Drones. Even AA systems like Patriot Batteries and S-400's cannot pick up these new drones....they constantly get through because they fly like birds and are mistaken generally as birds on the screen. Unless you send something up to look you have no idea. Look at what the Houthi's have done with them.
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my understanding is that disruptjng the communication between the drone and the user is enough to make the drone useless. but thats with civilian drones.

and based on the recent bombing of that afghan man and children, you still need eyes on the ground to verify the target.

e; aw shit late n slav
 
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The golden neckbeard said:
Fair enough. Maybe we just haven't seen a competent system deployed yet.
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My first picture is from a Pantsir which is the newest SHORAD system in Russian service. Its cannons lack proximity or timed fuse ammunition so it will likely have to resort to using its missiles against small drones. There is a video of it missing a stationary one at close range many times with its cannons before scoring a hit.

The Ukranians are in a slightly worse situation, with their best SHORAD system being the Tunguska. It has the same cannons and older, but broadly similar missiles. It might have some issues with detection though due to lacking thermals and having an older radar which isn't as good at detecting low flying targets.

Both of these missiles are optimized for attacking helicopters and low flying attack aircraft at multi-kilometer ranges so they won't be particularly cost effective but should be able to shoot down drones pretty easily. Both sides might also have the capability of jamming each other's drones which is ultimately the cheapest way of dealing with them.
 
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GreeneCoDeputy said:
I was just typing out an autistic post basically saying this same thing.

Bad armor tactics will result in armor losses and we've seen that to be true. But that doesn't make armor obsolete as plenty of dead Ukrainian soldiers will tell you after they got kettled by experienced tank operators in during the separatist civil war.

Drone "swarm" tactics exist only in robotics and AI researchers' minds and don't reflect at all the realities of a real electronic warfare environment.
Hell, the Ukrainians were jamming the OSCE drones' GPS units already. All the Russians have to do is put up an aircraft with a jamming pod on the common drone data link and control frequencies and they're going to be as good as a bunch of lawn darts.

Now, the Ukrainians have 6 Turkish TB2 drones but probably only have 2 ground control stations at this time, per this article, and it's unclear how much ordnance they have for the armed versions. They've secured rights to produce the drones locally in the Ukraine as well but that production hasn't started yet.

I noticed something funny when browsing fixed-wing professional drones on AliExpress.

Makeflyeasy Fighter 2430mm Wingspan EPO
View attachment 2998563
View attachment 2998560
View attachment 2998561
View attachment 2998562
I happen to own a couple of the sister version (free shipping). Ukrainians, if you are planning on using these against the Russians, I hope you have some excellent EM shielding because the EPO foam is not going to cut it.
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Turkey is building drone factory in Ukraine with production expected to roll out drones later this year, the same drones that smoked Russians and Armenians not too long ago.

Russian drones ... you should go back re-read this thread, Russia is the one buying drones from Ali express and pretending that it took a lot of money to develop.


Rezza said:
You know the Chinese are actually serious when they directly and explicitly showed their hypocritical side
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They are not though. They are totally for respecting sovereignty of the borders. Taiwan is China though, so you should respect China's sovereignty. lol.
 
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Abyssal Bulwark said:
Forgive my ignorance, but why would that be needed?
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Legacy media makes it sound like l33t Russian hackers can send some uber nano virus or something that can shut everything down. You wont even be able to buy groceries or start your car.

I am skeptical, because they tend to blame everything on Russian Hackers...its been a thing since 2016.

The only thing I ever see Russian Hackers do is steal crypto out of /Biz on an almost daily basis and post stupid shit on twitter.
 
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Traincake said:
Hold on a second, is this a tell from the Chinks to the Ruskies saying, "Knock off the shit or else we break in your kneecaps and swarm Siberia"?
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Chinks will never step foot in Siberia...in the same manner NATO tanks will never be near Moscow. 5000+ Nukes promise this.
 
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