Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Creep3r]

They wouldn't have even had Luke's ghost be the voice of reason. He's a white male, so Rian Johnson would have subverted expectations by making Luke's ghost continually wrong as Rey demonstrates time and time again that she's just a font of Girl Power and doesn't need any stupid old fuddy-duddy from the past telling her what to do. In fact, if they set it in the future, the plot would probably revolve around Rey dealing with the legacy of the Luke-era Republic's racism, and Luke's Force Ghost would be useless precisely because his racist/sexist/homophobic outlook has rendered him irrelevant, and the whole trilogy would be nothing more than a hamfisted allegory for the 1619 Project.

Rian Johnson would have subverted expectations

To be precise, both JJ and Rian (and Alan Horn and Kennedy) would have all wanted that. JJ already undid the characters' achievements beforehand by making Luke be a useless loner much like KK always wanted, rendering Leia's New Republic completely useless just so he could do a Rebels 2.0 plot, and Han an even bigger and more incompetent loser than before whose character was completely reset except he wasn't an atheist now, and JJ was already calling people racist on twitter before TFA came out over petty bullshit while telling Kasdan to leave the characters as broken messes so his new empowered diversity-hire cast could shine more easily. JJ is as big of a woke fag as Rian, Kennedy and Horn. Luke was never even going to teach Rey and send her off to learn with a female substitute. Hell JJ wanted to start the movie off by having Luke's hand and saber just floating through space for 30 years before landing in Yellow Yoda's backyard if that wasn't telling enough.

Or you have Luke missing because he's been put into force-prison by Snoke.

Snoke is gay though (both figuratively and literally). Even the name still sounds fucking ridiculous to me. Funnily enough, the name used to belong to a Rebel pilot from Jedi Prince who died via kamikaze.

The problem with having Luke/Leia/Han being successful is you run into YA novel "Low stakes because the adults have it" problems. Which while its en vogue to shit on YA shit, YA is great for kids in that young adults in western cultures where its better to merely Not Fuck Up, and while its formulaic it doesn't need to be high art. (However people being 29 and still holding Harry Potter out as the pinnacle of Literary perfection... fire away.) The problem is that the sort of constrained-stakes of YA doesn't translate well to Space Opera where everything is to be exaggerated and melodramatic. Which as discussed, while star wars has enough space for you to tell whatever stories you want to tell (i.e. Jedi Academy) for a main-line Numbered Release you don't want that.

Which is why the movies were better off taking place long after the original characters died so the new characters could be whatever they want and maybe even have whoever runs the governments in the future be the villains without having to make Luke, Leia and the rest be the assholes who fucked things up or became evil. Hell even the Legacy project understood this concept well enough by just having Luke's descendant be the broken mess in need of his ancestor's guidance while the government implodes from corruption and sabotage. Or just do a full reboot with recast of the originals if they don't want to be original with the plot.

Or better yet, we were better off without a sequel trilogy at all. One wasn't needed. Much like how "30 years later" reboot/sequels for Terminator, Robocop, Dumb and Dumber and so many others weren't needed. SW films were better off going the way of Back to the Future and just focus on making re-releases and spinoffs for those who wanted to see what happened after. And no amount of what-ifs will change the absolute mess that is this garbage sequel trilogy and how it made complete clowns of what came before just to satisfy the greed or woke agendas of uncreative hollywood-disney hacks. And people will try and claim that the prequels already ruined SW, but whatever your opinions on them are, the major key difference is that they're "prequels" not sequels and anything you may not enjoy about them ultimately did not change the ending of the saga or render the characters hopeless messes in need of salvation from mary sues.

Also it will never not amaze me how Terminator Dark Fate was exactly like the Disequels, from making everyone losers, ruining their accomplishments, making the villain a gayer donut steal and replacing the main characters with strong female sues with minority niches who end up doing a better job than those that came before just because despite having zero connection to them. Its like Hollywood has some sort of checklist or guidelines by a faggoty bunch of pr execs that demands that all their reboots now have to follow the same formula.

Ninja'd by @The Gangster Computer , but since he's illustrated the ties to the Marvel comics before me, I wanted to add this:

I'd recommend you add the Dark Horse adaptation of Shadows of the Empire as well as Mara Jade: By The Emperor's Hand to your comic marathon...the latter especially works as a great lead-in to The Thrawn Trilogy by detailing Mara's experiences as the consequences of Endor unfold.

There's also Shadows of the Empire Evolution which ties up some loose ends from SotE.

 

[The Ugly One]

Here's how I think it could have gone, set long in the future:

There's some conflict revolving around a thinly veiled allegory for Black Lives Matter. Luke's Force Ghost is always nagging Rey.
Ep IX: conflict is established, Space BLM gets a minor victory over Space Nazis
EP X: Space Nazis get the upper hand again, Space BLM leaders turn to the Dark Side, all seems lost
EP XI: Everything spins out of control, the conflict with Space BLM and Space Nazis is about to destroy the galaxy

--- FINAL SCENE ---

Luke's Ghost: Rey, we are running out of time, you must reestablish the Jedi Order. Only then can you...
Rey: No! Don't you see? It was the Jedi Order and their entitled, exclusionary arrogance that started all of this! That's why it never ends, why this cycle of hate and violence can't stop!
Luke's Ghost: No, that can't be...
[Rey looks out the window of the Galactic Starcruiser, watching fleets tear themselves apart in battle ]
Rey: Did you even notice that we haven't ever had a Jedi of Color since Mace Windu? Not for a thousand years?
Luke's Ghost: I...we....*hangs his head in shame*
Rey: I can feel one planet after another in the galaxy going silent...can't you?
Luke's Ghost: I feel the very Force itself fading.
Rey: But there's hope, Luke, not for the galaxy, but for the universe!
Luke's Ghost, now sounding weaker: But how? What can there be?
Rey: I discovered in the lost Jedi Archives that there are more like us out there...in other galaxies...but without the Force. They can build a better world, Luke! A world based on empathy and justice, not the power of the Force!
Luke's Ghost, fading out: ....perhaps...we...were....wrong....
[Rey pensively chews on a large piece of candy shaped like Goofy]
Rey: There's someone out there, better than the Jedi, someone who will lead the universe to a better future. I can just feel it. I wish I could meet her
[The camera zooms out to view the entire galaxy...we watch the stars wink out]
Rey's voice, echoing: Good must always prevail. There will always be another.
A familiar woman's voice: "Why don't you Pokemon Go-To-The-Polls?"

 

[Kup]

I mean, if the EU has taught me anything, it's that the right author can take a concept from the otherwise unsightly TCW show and make it work.

I hated the Mortis Arc and all of its cerebral fanficky bullshit up until Troy Denning fixed it in the Fate of the Jedi series by retconning it to the moon and back using some old-school SW proto-lore from the Marvel days.

See that’s how I feel about Maul’s “family”, at first I thought it was gay and they were defanging the monster.

Then I read Son of Dathomir and my mind did a 180, especially when Maul sees Grievous kill his mom.

And had to be dragged kicking and screaming off the field. In that instant he isn’t a super-assassin/Sith Lord, he’s a boy losing the last person who truly cares about him.

Also a win for Grievous, he gets so few of those in the “canon”.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

Here's how I think it could have gone, set long in the future:

There's some conflict revolving around a thinly veiled allegory for Black Lives Matter. Luke's Force Ghost is always nagging Rey.
Ep IX: conflict is established, Space BLM gets a minor victory over Space Nazis
EP X: Space Nazis get the upper hand again, Space BLM leaders turn to the Dark Side, all seems lost
EP XI: Everything spins out of control, the conflict with Space BLM and Space Nazis is about to destroy the galaxy

--- FINAL SCENE ---

Luke's Ghost: Rey, we are running out of time, you must reestablish the Jedi Order. Only then can you...
Rey: No! Don't you see? It was the Jedi Order and their entitled, exclusionary arrogance that started all of this! That's why it never ends, why this cycle of hate and violence can't stop!
Luke's Ghost: No, that can't be...
[Rey looks out the window of the Galactic Starcruiser, watching fleets tear themselves apart in battle ]
Rey: Did you even notice that we haven't ever had a Jedi of Color since Mace Windu? Not for a thousand years?
Luke's Ghost: I...we....*hangs his head in shame*
Rey: I can feel one planet after another in the galaxy going silent...can't you?
Luke's Ghost: I feel the very Force itself fading.
Rey: But there's hope, Luke, not for the galaxy, but for the universe!
Luke's Ghost, now sounding weaker: But how? What can there be?
Rey: I discovered in the lost Jedi Archives that there are more like us out there...in other galaxies...but without the Force. They can build a better world, Luke! A world based on empathy and justice, not the power of the Force!
Luke's Ghost, fading out: ....perhaps...we...were....wrong....
[Rey pensively chews on a large piece of candy shaped like Goofy]
Rey: There's someone out there, better than the Jedi, someone who will lead the universe to a better future. I can just feel it. I wish I could meet her
[The camera zooms out to view the entire galaxy...we watch the stars wink out]
Rey's voice, echoing: Good must always prevail. There will always be another.
A familiar woman's voice: "Why don't you Pokemon Go-To-The-Polls?"

>Space BLM
Is it time to bring back the Diversity Alliance as 'good' guys already? Complete with troon'lek that wants to destroy systemic galactic human privilege while collecting donations for 'her' HoloVenmo.

 

[Sneed F91]

I was one of those people that thought the Disney sequels should have focused on a new type of warfare. Maybe more espionage or like something comparable to the war in the middle east, which could have made it more relatable to modern audiences. WW2 in Space 2.0 was just kind of lazy.

>Space BLM
Is it time to bring back the Diversity Alliance as 'good' guys already? Complete with troon'lek that wants to destroy systemic galactic human privilege while collecting donations for 'her' HoloVenmo.

Are Glowies a thing in the EU? I can see a Space BLM getting pushed by the holomedia as a force for peace after spending a whole year burning the galaxy down for equal rights.

 

[Screamer]

You're falling for JJ's mystery box bullshit.
Ok, so Han & Maz (and Snoke) believe that Rey has some force powers. WHERE do they do anything to hint its Palps? They don't. They just have everyone acting cagey and secretive around Rey because they know something, but aren't saying what it is. It could be anything - and that's just as JJ intended.
This is how that nigga operate. He sets up something interesting, but has no idea how to deliver on it.
LOST contains a roadmap to all of JJ's writing.

Again, JJ made the mistake a lot of abused wives star wars consoomers made, which is "Disney paid $4 billion for this, they certainly aren't going to shit up the franchise by hiring retards who have no idea what they're doing". He thought he was going to set up mystery boxes, then someone who was actually good at writing would deliver the contents, and he'd get all the credit. Then Roundhead instead pissed on everything.
And you are falling into that trap with the ruins of JJ's mystery boxes. He didn't intend for Rey to be Palp's granddaughter. She was to have mysterious important origin, but left it open. He came back for TROS and was told "Cram it with memberberries; we have seriously fucked things up and we need to cram as much nostalgia and social justice as we possibly can into this thing to try make the trannies and fans from getting angry"

You're the one that is directly failing for the issues I am pointing out I am avoiding in this exercise.

We know whatever the intention was with TFA, how big or large. Probably small. It all got derailed. I am pointing out to solely looking at TFA and what the story was in that. In isolation of the other films.

Even with the cry of, "mystery boxes" there was still a plot to that film with specific elements. Even if they weren't resolved.

I am not speculating as to what the plans were going forward. Just what was in that film.

I am also discounting the resolution of some of them in TROS because the trilogy was completely fucked at that stage and I don't think the payoffs are anything other than a sloppy attempt to tie off the trilogy after the derailment.

I'm sorry but your post is seriously reaching into headcanon territory.

It's not headcanon to literally just explain what happened in a film. Headcanon would be going explaining where these plots went. Or creating background stories to justify them. Not just where they were in the film.

 

[ZMOT]

It's very difficult to have a woman convincingly play a heroic figure. You need the perfect actress and writer, and Daisy Ridley is no Sigourney Weaver.

she didn't need to be, in TFA her main purpose was to be the doe-eyed naive audience insert to get an exposition bukkake what's up in disney's star wars. later on she would've defeated the big bad evil with the power of friendship after turning emo ren to the light with her pussy and british accent.

no actress could've pulled off what disney wanted from the character.

@ZMOT
But my point was that Kristen Stewart and Jennifer Lawrence both managed to break out from their roles in YA adaptation hell to become praised actresses, because they had talent. Daisy has not shown much, if any real ability to act in anything since Star Wars ended and it was only hurt by playing the biggest, blandest, Mary Sue imaginable. Every actor in the DT manages to act around Daisy, but I will say that some like Driver and Boyega manage to make her performance slightly better.

this is gonna sound harsher than it's meant, but: lolwut?
both steward and lawrence were for the longest time regarded as the prime examples of a shitty actress propped up by their uber-successful franchises (and in the latter case also casting couch). say what you want about twilight and hunger games, but they both made a shitload of money and were legit popular among large parts of the population, whereas star wars is now closer to game of thrones. also both ended on a high note and didn't piss on their fans, which always helps. their "breakout" afterwards were either doing indie movies (or "blockbusters" like the charlie's angels reboot) or mysteriously dropping from the face of the earth after weinstein got #metoo'd (jennifer lawrence did 1 movie after dark phoenix, which was in 2019). and I say that as someone who actually liked both of them to a certain degree in some roles.

if I didn't know better I'd think this is some 10/10 /tv/ copypasta.

Which is why the movies were better off taking place long after the original characters died so the new characters could be whatever they want and maybe even have whoever runs the governments in the future be the villains without having to make Luke, Leia and the rest be the assholes who fucked things up or became evil. Hell even the Legacy project understood this concept well enough by just having Luke's descendant be the broken mess in need of his ancestor's guidance while the government implodes from corruption and sabotage. Or just do a full reboot with recast of the originals if they don't want to be original with the plot.

Or better yet, we were better off without a sequel trilogy at all. One wasn't needed.

that was never gonna happen, disney didn't spend those piles of money on one of the biggest IPs on the planet to mothball or hard reboot it, least of all have someone ask "why is this star wars if it doesn't look like star wars?!". we were always getting the memberberry treatment, which isn't necessarily bad. the problem was literally everything sucked, the memberberries included.

The problem with having Luke/Leia/Han being successful is you run into YA novel "Low stakes because the adults have it" problems. Which while its en vogue to shit on YA shit, YA is great for kids in that young adults in western cultures where its better to merely Not Fuck Up, and while its formulaic it doesn't need to be high art. (However people being 29 and still holding Harry Potter out as the pinnacle of Literary perfection... fire away.) The problem is that the sort of constrained-stakes of YA doesn't translate well to Space Opera where everything is to be exaggerated and melodramatic. Which as discussed, while star wars has enough space for you to tell whatever stories you want to tell (i.e. Jedi Academy) for a main-line Numbered Release you don't want that.

If you start with the "good guys" in power you end up with...well, The Phantom Menace.

while true there are plenty of ways to go about it. not a fan of doing "what if" rewrites, but the general ideas usually are either pass the torch gracefully or go out in blaze of glory. however all of them go out like a little bitch after being pulled down, the closest - which still missed the mark by miles - was actually TLJ with luke giving the rest of the scooby gang time to escape by distracting the galaxy's biggest linkin park fan, but as I said everything around it was so fucking bad it didn't even matter.

what's so egregious about the disney trilogy is that they didn't just fuck that up, they went out of their way to shit on everything. people are willing to grant a lot of slack if there was an honest try and real effort at least, but disney couldn't even be arsed to do that and worse.
as much as people want to see their heroes live happily ever after, everyone understands that their story (and life) is over at some point. in this regard the 30 year timegap actually worked in disney's favor, all of them are old and weak, so they wouldn't even have to be nerfed because the plot demands it. what people don't want to see is their past accomplishments invalidated, their lives since then being miserable and their deaths serve no fucking purpose (which dipshits usually like to construe as "hurr you're just unhappy your favorite died, deal with it", same way they tried to after ME3).

so for the what if part: have one of them literally die of old age (grandma leia in the circle of her family), give luke the epic fight where he kicks ass jedi master style everybody wants to see but still loses because again, he's old (and maybe underestimated the threat) - you could even copy TOR or PT by killing off both old masters so the slate is wiped clean and it's suddenly apprentice vs student. have han kamikaze the new superweapon or sacrifice himself (or luke defending his students) etc.
you could even follow the same story beats as before, new (old) threat from the outer rim (shamelessly stolen from the EU), a new republic becoming complacent and corrupt without jedi counseling, a new dark force user working behind the scenes. ffs you could even easily incorporate a betrayal to establish the villain from the get go and give the audience a reason to hate him, and if you're cheeky you do it right before the end credits as a cliff hanger to get people buzzing as fuck (that's how you do a mystery box).
there's plenty of time in the first movie of a trilogy to give the old cast some limelight before signing off and let a new generation take over; old fans get closure, new fans a reminder/recap, and everybody can look forward to new adventures with a new cast. it's not even that hard. fucking sony of all people apparently managed to do it in the latest spider man, let that sink in for a minute.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

I was one of those people that thought the Disney sequels should have focused on a new type of warfare. Maybe more espionage or like something comparable to the war in the middle east, which could have made it more relatable to modern audiences. WW2 in Space 2.0 was just kind of lazy.

Are Glowies a thing in the EU? I can see a Space BLM getting pushed by the holomedia as a force for peace after spending a whole year burning the galaxy down for equal rights.

The ISB are the Imperial glowies par excellence, they'd 100% push the Diversity Alliance but more as an excuse to crack down on aliens further than anything. Both versions of the New Republic are too Stupid Good to pull anything like that but the post Yuuzhan Vong Galactic Alliance had their own glowie force too called the Galactic Alliance Guard that might involve them in their gayops against the Corellians.

 

[Screamer]

"In TFA they suggest there is a mystery to who Rey is and characters like Han are suggested to possibly know or suspect what that is."

Some people here.

"Disagree."

lol

Will we soon move on to people claiming ANH has writing flaws based on what happened in Rogue One?

 

[Ghostse]

If I write a movie about some guy called "Yeller" and hint that he has a secret origin and a disturbing fetish, but I don't actually drop any concrete hints about what they could be other than some people being cagey and saying "Don't look at his browser history", that is not a plot point or character development, that is mystery box bullshit. Because two movies later when I reveal that he's a mongoloid with a scat fetish, there was nothing that foreshadowed that specific scenario. It was left open to be whatever because I'm a talentless hack.

Now if I had littered Yeller's scenes with lots of "321" and groups of 3 X's, and had scenes of him eating lots of chunky stews while everyone else complains about how bad his meals and breath smells, even if it isn't revealed during the first movie THAT is actual foreshadowing.
Another way to demonstrate his origins as genetic defective would be to do something like provide some background context of his lack of intelligence. Something like this

 

[Uranus Pink]

How many white humans are there to remotely have a choice of winning against a galaxy full of xenos? Even before Disney buying Lucasfilm, they couldn't decide whether humans were the extreme minority or the majority of the galaxic population.

 

[The Valeyard]

The Mandalorian Producer Reveals Why Ahsoka Really Refused To Train Grogu

According to The Art of The Mandalorian season 2 (via The Direct), Filoni has explained Ahsoka's decision in The Mandalorian. While her actions are in part due to the show's storyline and plans to bring in Luke Skywalker, it also boiled down to Filoni's plan for Anakin's old Padawan. According to him, taking care of Grogu simply isn't a part of Ahsoka's future story. Read his full comment below:

"There were a lot of debates about [Ahsoka Tano pointing the way to Luke Skywalker]. And Jon and I went back and forth, because if [Ahsoka can't take Grogu], then who will? ... Taking care of the Child is not her destiny. That's not what I've been planning for her to do [laughs], so I can't change it up."

Filoni's answer may be simple and direct, but it makes sense. Lucasfilm essentially used The Mandalorian to debut Ahsoka in live-action version to set up her upcoming self-titled Star Wars spinoff show. Plot details for the Disney+ series are still scant at the moment, but a recent report claims that principal photography might begin in April. Ahsoka recently showed up inThe Book of Boba Fett, confirming her ties to Luke Skywalker. Now, however, the character is off on her own mission. While not much has been revealed about it thus far, the fact that Ahsoka is looking for Grand Admiral Thrawn suggests that she might be searching for Ezra Bridger in her Disney+ series.

Translation: Furloni wants his orange waifu to become a Force goddess and not a babysitter.

 

[Kup]

The Mandalorian Producer Reveals Why Ahsoka Really Refused To Train Grogu



Translation: Furloni wants his orange waifu to become a Force goddess and not a babysitter.

I can’t wait for the day to come where Furloni’s whore is handed off to a creator who disregards his intent/storylines/input. Karma for all the shit he’s pulled, it’ll happen too.

He’s not a tribe member (that I know of), he’s a reminder of Lucas and most importantly he’s not that important in the grand scheme of things. Cartoons and weak episodes do not make an invaluable employee.

Ahsoka, like Thrawn, Ventress, Grievous, Dooku and many others will be handed off to another writer, one that won’t care what her predecessor cares/thinks.

 

[Screamer]

If I write a movie about some guy called "Yeller" and hint that he has a secret origin and a disturbing fetish, but I don't actually drop any concrete hints about what they could be other than some people being cagey and saying "Don't look at his browser history", that is not a plot point or character development, that is mystery box bullshit. Because two movies later when I reveal that he's a mongoloid with a scat fetish, there was nothing that foreshadowed that specific scenario. It was left open to be whatever because I'm a talentless hack.

Now if I had littered Yeller's scenes with lots of "321" and groups of 3 X's, and had scenes of him eating lots of chunky stews while everyone else complains about how bad his meals and breath smells, even if it isn't revealed during the first movie THAT is actual foreshadowing.
Another way to demonstrate his origins as genetic defective would be to do something like provide some background context of his lack of intelligence. Something like this

In The Empire Strikes Back, when Yoda says, "No there is another." As the film didn't put concrete hints about who that is, doesn't mean the plot point of there being another doesn't exist in the film and is just mystery box bullshit.

 

[Sneed F91]

You're the one that is directly failing for the issues I am pointing out I am avoiding in this exercise.

We know whatever the intention was with TFA, how big or large. Probably small. It all got derailed. I am pointing out to solely looking at TFA and what the story was in that. In isolation of the other films.

Even with the cry of, "mystery boxes" there was still a plot to that film with specific elements. Even if they weren't resolved.

I am not speculating as to what the plans were going forward. Just what was in that film.

I am also discounting the resolution of some of them in TROS because the trilogy was completely fucked at that stage and I don't think the payoffs are anything other than a sloppy attempt to tie off the trilogy after the derailment.



It's not headcanon to literally just explain what happened in a film. Headcanon would be going explaining where these plots went. Or creating background stories to justify them. Not just where they were in the film.

"In TFA they suggest there is a mystery to who Rey is and characters like Han are suggested to possibly know or suspect what that is."

Some people here.

"Disagree."

lol

Will we soon move on to people claiming ANH has writing flaws based on what happened in Rogue One?

We're never gonna agree on this shit.
Unless I missed something the only real hint Han knows who she might be is a look he gives her when she tells him how much green she never knew was in the galaxy. Again, you could read anything into that. First you said that she had potential because of the mystery box and JJ's supposed plan. I say the mystery box is bullshit. Then you say there's a mystery, to which I say Rey's past is only really mysterious to the audience. There's no real way to piece any of the vague hints we're given in TFA together to make anything coherent about Rey.

The force doesn't just "awaken" in people like Neo's kung fu powers in The Matrix. Imagine if in that movie the Oracle, Agent Smith, and Morpheus just kind of hinted Neo might be The One, without the movie ever really explaining anything, leaving it up to the sequels and the audience to decide what's actually happening.

@ZMOT
I can understand if you think Stewart and Lawrence are shitty and only got passed around like whores to different execs. (btw, who's to say Daisy wasn't casting couched either?) Twilight and Hunger Games didn't shit on their fans like Star Wars did in TROS, but even enough NPCs and braindead fanboys went to see The Fall of Skywalker to push it over a billion.
K Stew is legendarily terrible in the Twilight movies from what I've seen of them considering she's a Rey-like Mary Sue, while Jenifer Lawrence isn't too bad in the HG movies. Katniss is like what Kathleen thought Rey was going to be like but a complete failure of a character instead. I think they've been a fuck of a lot better in other movies though when they actually try. They were "praised" as actors by the normie critics and audience goers. JLaw was just in that shitty Don't Look Up movie not too long ago and Stewart just got nominated for an Oscar (if you believe Oscars still matter but that's not the point).

I don't hate Daisy Ridley. She's wooden as all hell but she seems likable enough the first time watching TFA. A smarter director could have used her "talents", whatever those are, better. Or just hoped and prayed she'd get better as the movies go on like Hamill did.
Most of the actors in the OT and PT turned out fine afterwards. Hell most of the actors in the DT are doing okay or even great in Oscar and Adam's cases. Daisy was fucked because she's not that good as an actor given a shitty role in 3 bad movies, just like everyone else in the DT. It doesn't matter though because her family's well off and she'll take bit parts until she marries a rich guy and settles down. That's the last I'll say about this because I don't care anymore.

The Mandalorian Producer Reveals Why Ahsoka Really Refused To Train Grogu



Translation: Furloni wants his orange waifu to become a Force goddess and not a babysitter.

This is seriously getting sad. I'd ask where the oversight was but Kennedyfilm clearly doesn't care about some guy making his wet dreams canon because they don't believe canon exists in Star Wars. Also because she's the best female Star Wars character ever....according to Filoni fanboys.

edit: It also makes her a massive cunt considering Palpatine is not dead and she knows they need to train as many Jedi as possible before he gets his Super Ultra Mega Final Order together with his Snookie clones and Emo Ren.

 

[Ghostse]

In The Empire Strikes Back, when Yoda says, "No there is another." As the film didn't put concrete hints about who that is, doesn't mean the plot point of there being another doesn't exist in the film and is just mystery box bullshit.

Leia is shrodinger's mystery box at this point, because Lucas saw that the set up got a delivery. But Lucas had a solid arc AND creative control, to ensure that something worth while was in the box. (And in that box was creepy incest makeouts). Lucas' track record is lots of world building and solid plans. JJ's track record is telling prospective writers 'shit nigger, just leave some intriguing mysteries lying around and use them to bail yourself out of a narrative jam when you need it. Don't actually have a plan for what's inside'.
Lucas didn't simply leave some notes with Fox, peace out to enjoy the finely aged smell of his own farts only for Fox to hire a frothing retard who said "Nope, lol j/k about there is another, that was bullshit, you're the last jedi Lastermaster, Duke Dirtfarmer."

Rey was also only one of JJ's shitty mystery boxes.
JarJar had Snoke's origins, Luke's fate, Rey's connection to Kylo... it goes on. JJ is a hack, you fell for a Hack's cheap trick. It happens, dust yourself off, learn and move on.

 

[Iceland Heavy]

How many white humans are there to remotely have a choice of winning against a galaxy full of xenos? Even before Disney buying Lucasfilm, they couldn't decide whether humans were the extreme minority or the majority of the galaxic population.

I always figured Humans might not be a majority of the galactic population but they were a plurality.

 

[Uranus Pink]

I always figured Humans might not be a majority of the galactic population but they were a plurality.

Figures I've seen but no sources had humans at 1-2% of the total galactic population. Which in a galaxy of a million plus sentient species is a lot.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

Leia is shrodinger's mystery box at this point, because Lucas saw that the set up got a delivery. But Lucas had a solid arc AND creative control, to ensure that something worth while was in the box. (And in that box was creepy incest makeouts). Lucas' track record is lots of world building and solid plans. JJ's track record is telling prospective writers 'shit nigger, just leave some intriguing mysteries lying around and use them to bail yourself out of a narrative jam when you need it. Don't actually have a plan for what's inside'.
Lucas didn't simply leave some notes with Fox, peace out to enjoy the finely aged smell of his own farts only for Fox to hire a frothing retard who said "Nope, lol j/k about there is another, that was bullshit, you're the last jedi Lastermaster, Duke Dirtfarmer."

Rey was also only one of JJ's shitty mystery boxes.
JarJar had Snoke's origins, Luke's fate, Rey's connection to Kylo... it goes on. JJ is a hack, you fell for a Hack's cheap trick. It happens, dust yourself off, learn and move on.

It seemed like the incest plot point came about as a consequence to amicably resolve the love triangle set up in TESB. Han even has a throw-away line about how he's going to step out of the way for Luke to score, only for Luke to say he doesn't see her that way. Which would make killing off Han in ROTJ make more sense if he didn't have someone to live for, but since he lives, having one of them back down is a loss of face for that character.

 

[Captain Autism69]

See that’s how I feel about Maul’s “family”, at first I thought it was gay and they were defanging the monster.

Then I read Son of Dathomir and my mind did a 180, especially when Maul sees Grievous kill his mom.
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And had to be dragged kicking and screaming off the field. In that instant he isn’t a super-assassin/Sith Lord, he’s a boy losing the last person who truly cares about him.

Also a win for Grievous, he gets so few of those in the “canon”.

Who gives a shit ? Maul should have stayed dead after TPM, and this tiny galaxy syndrome where minor characters are all related is bullshit