Grace Lavery / Joseph Lavery & Daniel M. Lavery / Mallory Ortberg - "Straight with extra steps" couple trooning out to avoid "dwindling into mere heterosexuality"

[FATTESTCUNT]

But, these would be trans "boys" in the photos. Since when are topless photos of boys considered child porn? Or does Joe see FtM as girls/women? That's a pretty TERFy stance to take, there, Joe.

But remember, they are "cancer victims", hence still girls!

And Dr. Teetus Deletus is actually Null in drag wearing prosthetics; a false flag created by Kiwi Farms designed to make "trans-affirming" surgeons look bad, rather than an actual butcher of young women who is allowed to peddle their wares on popular social networks with zero negative consequences.

Oh, and Joe, those hundreds of campaigns on GoFundMe set up by young women who want to get their tits cut off are all from cancer victims who are too ashamed to say "I need a double mastectomy cos of cancer", so instead they're pretending to be mentally ill troons, as that's more socially acceptable.

 

[Potatis Salad]

Oh noooo you guys, UnHerd magazine (the hosts of the debate) are totally antisemitic and alt-right and fascist!!!

Joe: "All part of my plan."

 

[Trianon]

Oh noooo you guys, UnHerd magazine (the hosts of the debate) are totally antisemitic and alt-right and fascist!!!

Joe: "All part of my plan."
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Oh no, not George Soros! This is bargain-bin NPC level of discourse. But did you know Joe is actually the No. 3 Best Debater in the World?



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[FarmVille]

 

[DatBepisTho]

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Joe has no idea his debate is going to be a one man clown show the moment he opens his mouth, and it's delicious.

 

[murph]

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"I HAVE A PRESTIGIOUS PARKING SPOT, TERFS"

Joe is shitting himself and it's a fascinating public breakdown.

 

[FarmVille]

"I HAVE A PRESTIGIOUS PARKING SPOT, TERFS"

Joe is shitting himself and it's a fascinating public breakdown.

No joe can can't park there, obviously. He probably has to BART in

 

[murph]

No joe can can't park there, obviously. He probably has to BART in

It's so much more pathetic. "I have seen the parking spots of Nobel Laureates" is not a good brag.

Joe is not going to show up.

 

[FarmVille]

Well I’m sure he gets to attend faculty mixers were he discusses the finer points of his sitcoms class with the NL in the physics department. If there’s anything old white STEM dudes are into it’s queering Victorian literature and pop culture criticism.

 

[behindyourightnow]

I took these screenshots yesterday, before the chickening out tweets happened. If this is typical of how Joe approaches answering a simple question, he is fucked.

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I really think J has been able to get away with this shit his whole life: using dumb, cringe sophistry to weasel his way through arguments, and then deciding it's a "win" when the other person gives up in boredom or disgust. Only the midwits are fooled.

He's also extremely cowardly; he simply can't defend a contradictory opinion once it's attacked from his own side. He didn't expect a backlash from the TRA crowd, and he is incapable of either standing up to them or admitting that he did something stupid and backtracking. So you see this performance where he pretends he thought Helen was a fascist this whole time and it was all part of his plan guys, because god forbid he actually holds firm to an opinion on something.

I'm quite fascinated by the way Joe seems to conceive of opinions in general. To him, they're not reflections of personal values, and they are definitely not things that have effects in the real world that you might have to consider. To Joe, one's opinions are performances to get you in with the right crowd. There's no values underlying these opinions, and none of them are "real" in the sense that they should affect your behavior: they're just particular lines that you say to make sure you fit in with your desired social class.

Remember the way Joe reacted when he posted about eating a bunch of meat on Instagram and someone commented about greenhouse gases or something? He was completely surprised and baffled. Like it hadn't occurred to him that his uber-liberal beliefs might be something that some people apply to their daily activities (by doing something like reducing meat consumption). It was not just that he disagreed with that particular behavior; he had apparently never even thought of the concept.

That's why he is spinning like a helicopter blade right now. He tried to do something that would please the right crowd, but "the right crowd" is upset with him. He is incapable of standing up for his choice to debate Helen (because he has no concept of sticking to individual values that might be separate from those of one's desired ingroup) but he is also incapable of admitting he was wrong (because that would mean that his beliefs didn't align with the group in the past, which to Joe is mentally unacceptable, because beliefs are what gets you into the group). So he's performing an elaborate dance of "yes, I meant to do that all along! I always thought Helen Joyce was a Nazi murderer who eats trans women for breakfast! But it was, uhh, part of my plan! I am bringing down the TERF media complex! I am very smart! Please stop disagreeing with me! I am one of you!"

 

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Oh no, not George Soros! This is bargain-bin NPC level of discourse. But did you know Joe is actually the No. 3 Best Debater in the World?

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Wait, is he bragging about winning/almost winning stuff when he was 17-19 years old? At that age you can definitively dazzle and confuse your opponent since a lot of people won't have the guts to outright ask him to clarify what he means; again, I think he thinks confusing and tiring out people with bullshit is "winning".

We all saw what happened once people asked him to clarify what the hell he meant with the whole "women are submissive" tweet. He's spiraling and it's hilarious to see.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

Oh no, not George Soros! This is bargain-bin NPC level of discourse. But did you know Joe is actually the No. 3 Best Debater in the World?

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Competitive debating is nothing like public debating. You don't score "points" and then someone tallies up the winner based on an objective process almost entirely divorced from the topic.

 

[femcellophane]

Interesting that Joe “children are not innocent” Lavery would care at all about completely benign pictures of potential children. Couldn’t be that he’s reaching for a non-argument, could it? Nah, he was a debate champion in 2002.

 

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

Competitive debating is nothing like public debating. You don't score "points" and then someone tallies up the winner based on an objective process almost entirely divorced from the topic.

Add that winning a debate competition while Joe was still a teen is nothing to brag about 20 years later - unlike sports, debating skills is not something where you "peak" at 19 but a skill that in theory keeps developing through your lifetime. That Joe has to bring it up is like when Rhys McKinnon bragged about winning in tennis in fifth grade or whatever.

 

[pursuitsnail]

Dearest Joe, you stupid fuckwit:
Cancers diagnosed in children are usually of the blood, nervous system, kidney, and bone. You can be born with leukemia if you have outstandingly bad luck. These are different from cancers you develop later in life, like prostate and breast cancer, that usually happen after decades of small fuckups in cell division.

Trying to pretend these are cancer survivors disfigured by surgery that was the only alternative to a miserable and painful death is disgusting.

Edit: can't type when I'm MATI
Another edit just because: Yes, you can find 'stage 0' cancers in the thyroid, prostate, and breast ducts in adolescents. These usually do not progress until much later in life, if at all. To my knowledge you do not perform a double mastectomy on a 13 year old for precancerous cells in milk ducts. You don't for adults or seniors either.

 

[BluntyBitch]

Joe is feeling the heat and us kiwis are HERE FOR IT

IF YOU CANT TAKE THE HEAT Joe GET OUT OF THE KITCHEN LADYS BATHROOM JOE

(I've been trying to archive Joe's Twitter for two damn days , idk if it's me or archive fuckyness, I've had to start over several times)

Can we get a pole up in here if Joe will actually show up in April? Will he go but choke and forget all his "master debater" mad skillz? Will he waffle and avoid questions while attacking the question that it's "not the right question" "you should be asking this instead, then I'll answer it." Will he keep making excuses to pull out? while still making it about himself? Or how he's "backing out for the community" so the trannys all fawn over him?

The chances of Joe tweeting something... problematic these next few weeks/months leading up to this debate - then quickly deleting - are also both highly likely, in my opinion. Besides that he drinks (or pills?) to cope, (drink moar Joe, we like your drunken nightime tweetfests!) and he'll love all the "this debate made me relapse" attention. He's feeling the heat, he's being criticized all over Twitter , he knows his LARP is in too deep, He can't defend his scholarly takes, he's so much outside of his realm of scholarly expertise trying to grab anything he can while his arms flail wildly as he falls backwards. How fun this is going to be drink more to cope Jos, it's what all the good scholarly writers do! I hear it makes their writing better to try and beat a "personal best" of alcoholic intake for Best Alchie Ramblings.

I bet his coworkers at Berkeley are itching to see him gone, (I'd bet money, wait til he is gone and then the pussys at Berkeley finally complain publically) and he's becoming more unhinged in my opinion, based on his writings, tweets, general output, he's getting dumberer, not more scholarly as time goes on.

I am HERE for Joe's... fall from grace... HAHAHA. His big manfeet tripping in some illfitting heeled ladyboots Lolol I bet he stomps likea man when he walks too

 

[Allo Vera]

Trying to pretend these are cancer survivors disfigured by surgery that was the only alternative to a miserable and painful death is disgusting.

It’s so ridiculous that he tried to play devil’s advocate like that. Breast cancer before they’re out of puberty… fuck’s sake.

From what I’ve seen of Joe’s debating skills this weekend, it seems he has three main techniques:

Being wilfully obtuse
Playing devil’s advocate
DARVO

I mean, is that the best you can do Lavery?

 

[Help Me Move This Table]

The only thing I want from the debate are more photos along the lines of this, my all-time favorite Joseph candid

 

[Aelfled]

He looks like the food critic from Ratatouille there. I've long suspected there's a calculation to be made between a man's level of angry misogynistic creep and their lack of chin.

I see him more as a shuffler, because stomping would require more effort and we know he's lazy af. He shuffles in overpriced shoes and probably gets driven everywhere.

He's also said he won't shake Helen's hand at the debate (pathetic) and that he hopes the Queen dies (even more pathetic).

 

[kazuhiro]

An example of Joe's elite debating skills:

Heterodorx Podcast Episode 26: Trano-a-Trano with Grace Lavery / archive