Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[3-2-1836]

My thoughts on this exactly. Donbass is going to end up being another Transnistria/Abkhazia/South Ossetia and the public will forget about it in the next few months like they forgot about Crimea. Ukraine can't take the fight to Russia, it couldn't take the fight to the DPR/LPR.

Arguably, the most peaceful option has been achieved here.

The Ukrainians had the DPR nearly pushed back to the Russian border at one point, remember Mauripol was under DPR control and they nearly had the entire oblast before the Ukrainian military pushed them back.

 

[Henry V]

 

[Toothpaste]

My thoughts on this exactly. Donbass is going to end up being another Transnistria/Abkhazia/South Ossetia and the public will forget about it in the next few months like they forgot about Crimea. Ukraine can't take the fight to Russia, it couldn't take the fight to the DPR/LPR.

Arguably, the most peaceful option has been achieved here.

This will only happen if the Ukranians:
1. Choose to surrender their eastern regions to Russia without firing a shot
2. Can control their military and militias in Eastern Ukraine to not retaliate

I'm not confident on either one of those. The Ukranians have been edging for this invasion for so long that there will be at least some rogue militias that will choose to retaliate even if the military is ordered to back down.

 

[UselessPieceOfShit]

Here is some more schizo posting.
Remember Zyrinovsky warned people about 22.02.22 back in December? He is now "sick with corona".
Also Russians marked their tanks with Z or ZZ sign. ZZ=22=22.02.22. Also war with Georgia started on 08.08.08. It all comes together.

And, of course, Todd the Godd released Skyrim on 11.11.11. Think about it.

 

[Jordi El Nino Polla]

And Russian troops are now going in (officially speaking, they've been there for years) to Donetsk and Luhansk, under the guise of a "peacekeeping" mission.

Considering those regions want to be a part of Russia and are being deprived of their rights by Ukraine, it is probably the truth. Good for Russia and good for the people of these grief stricken regions.

 

[Toothpaste]

Here is some more schizo posting.
Remember Zyrinovsky warned people about 22.02.22 back in December? He is now "sick with corona".
Also Russians marked their tanks with Z or ZZ sign. ZZ=22=22.02.22. Also war with Georgia started on 08.08.08. It all comes together.

And, of course, Todd the Godd released Skyrim on 11.11.11. Think about it.

The numbers, UselessPieceofShit, what do they mean!?

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

BREAKING
Russian paratroopers have just airdropped into Serbia to facilitate the arrest of the known Ukrainian ultra-nationalist and international war criminal known as Joshua "the Donbas Dietrich" Moon ahead of the planned invasion of Ukraine.

Again?

 

[SneedEyeMitch]

Here is some more schizo posting.
Remember Zyrinovsky warned people about 22.02.22 back in December? He is now "sick with corona".
Also Russians marked their tanks with Z or ZZ sign. ZZ=22=22.02.22. Also war with Georgia started on 08.08.08. It all comes together.

And, of course, Todd the Godd released Skyrim on 11.11.11. Think about it.

The Russians are gonna reveal they disbanded the bear cavalry and remade it into the dragon cavalry?

 

[Toothpaste]

Readout of President Biden’s Call with President Zelenskyy of Ukraine | The White House

President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. spoke today with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy of Ukraine to reaffirm the commitment of the United States to Ukraine’s

www.whitehouse.gov

Looks like the choice to bring in Russian troops will be considered one of those "minor incursions". Not major enough to even mention.

 

[The golden neckbeard]

Readout of President Biden’s Call with President Zelenskyy of Ukraine | The White House

President Joseph R. Biden, Jr. spoke today with President Volodymyr Zelenskyy of Ukraine to reaffirm the commitment of the United States to Ukraine’s

www.whitehouse.gov

Looks like the choice to bring in Russian troops will be considered one of those "minor incursions". Not major enough to even mention.

It doesnt achieve a single russian objective regarding NATO and ukraine

 

[The Big O]

Well then, I guess we're gonna see Russkies yukking it up with Susanin and the Pubertat in due time.

 

[Richardface]

This guy has been mostly right and I think he still is. Invasion still on, Russia amassed far more forces than is required to simply protect Donetsk and Luhansk, they want the whole enchilada.

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nitter.net

Putin has just been waiting for his wargoal justification to complete and wants to ally with the rebels so he can join their war as he can't directly declare on Ukraine due to the non-agression pact. He better hope he kept his doctrines up to date!

 

[дядя Боря]

This will only happen if the Ukranians:
1. Choose to surrender their eastern regions to Russia without firing a shot
2. Can control their military and militias in Eastern Ukraine to not retaliate

I'm not confident on either one of those. The Ukranians have been edging for this invasion for so long that there will be at least some rogue militias that will choose to retaliate even if the military is ordered to back down.

there are no militias or volunteers anymore there, all troops are regular.

In the past years, Minsk agreement limited calibers and setup of arms around the demarcation line, no artillery over 120mm, no combat aviation. With Minsk agreement dead ... all is back on the table.

 

[Richardface]

BREAKING
Russian paratroopers have just airdropped into Serbia to facilitate the arrest of the known Ukrainian ultra-nationalist and international war criminal known as Joshua "the Donbas Dietrich" Moon ahead of the planned invasion of Ukraine.

Oh no I'm hearing the VDV have discovered Joshua Moon is the lost Romanov heir and have declared him Tsar of All Slavs and Orthodox and he's planning to declare a holy war to gather in the lands

 

[Fcret]

My thoughts on this exactly. Donbass is going to end up being another Transnistria/Abkhazia/South Ossetia and the public will forget about it in the next few months like they forgot about Crimea. Ukraine can't take the fight to Russia, it couldn't take the fight to the DPR/LPR.

Arguably, the most peaceful option has been achieved here.

Putin more or less stated in his speech that his endgame is a return to the borders of the old Russian empire, including the NATO-aligned Baltics and parts of NATO-aligned Poland.

There is no longer any credible reason to believe that Russia is not serious about expanding its sphere of influence into the EU and everyone's expectations are adjusting accordingly. It is unlikely that this will simply be swept aside.

 

[The golden neckbeard]

Putin more or less stated in his speech that his endgame is a return to the borders of the old Russian empire, including the NATO-aligned Baltics and parts of NATO-aligned Poland.

There is no longer any credible reason to believe that Russia is not serious about expanding its sphere of influence into the EU and everyone's expectations are adjusting accordingly. It is unlikely that this will simply be swept aside.

Kek he wont touch the baltics

That i assure you. They are NATO members

 

[LaxerBRO]

Looks like Biden's response is to ban US investments in the disputed zones.

 

[MelloYello]

Unless Ukraine decides to start killing uniformed russian troops this is gonna go nowhere.

Georgia did just that when they moved into South-Ossetia, probably hoping for US/NATO backup to prevent a russian response.
That didn't exactly end well for them.
Minsk II was as good as it gets for Ukraine, and it'll never get that good again. I reckon they'll think twice before making any move.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Putin more or less stated in his speech that his endgame is a return to the borders of the old Russian empire, including the NATO-aligned Baltics and parts of NATO-aligned Poland.

There is no longer any credible reason to believe that Russia is not serious about expanding its sphere of influence into the EU and everyone's expectations are adjusting accordingly. It is unlikely that this will simply be swept aside.

I mean at this point they need to start the process of letting Ukraine and Georgia into Nato and the EU (which is the real concern for Putin)

 

[Fcret]

Kek he wont touch the baltics

That i assure you. They are NATO members

"Kek he wont touch ukraine"

The long peace has been a disaster because it's rotted everyone's brains into thinking war is not possible. All Putin has to do is be reasonably sure enough that NATO won't honor its commitments when he moves in. And given the current state of NATO, who can fucking blame him for being able to make that determination?

War is always a possibility and you're living in some kind of delusional boomer end of history fever dream if you believe otherwise.