Chris - The Legal Issues - A Prosecutor's Perspective

will his ego let him admit that he raped his mom

He already admitted to fucking Barb, unprompted, to Bella. That's on record. Then he repeated those admissions. He will have no trouble repeating them again if it keeps him out of prison with the slow-in-the-minds and niggos and back to his toys.

when a trial lets him theoretically fight it.

Heilberg has probably told him multiple times already that taking this to trial is almost guaranteed to send him to prison. And if Heilberg hadn't, well then he wouldn't have been doing his job properly.

As amusing as it would be to see Chris chimpout in court and get kicked up to the circuit court to face felony charges, that's not going to happen here.

And besides, Chris is still a coward. Chris doesn't fight.


One hit him first, they switched seats, then the other took a shot too.

Chandler family bonding at its best.
 
Heilberg: here's the deal, Chris: You plead guilty, you leave here and go straight to a soup hotel. Most of your tugboat will be used for room and board, you'll share a bedroom with another male slow in da mind, your TV, phone, and internet will be restricted, you'll be assigned chores around the house, and you'll only leave for supervised once a week grocery trips. No legos or Officer Nasty. For the rest of your life.

Chris would rather be homeless, or even in big boy prison.
 
@The American Hedgehog is it possible to get the Jail/court FAQ upgraded to a stickied thread so that people have the opportunity/are encouraged to read it before posting? It would be nice to have it there so people don't keep asking the same questions.

I'm retarded so if there's something blatantly wrong in it I'm happy to fix it with input from others, but I've tried to keep it as accurate as I can, or we could have other more qualified people maintain it, etc.
 
in the micheal snyder incident, what was their to fight? was that not chris in the car, did he not hit michael snyder?
Was that not Chris's dick? Did he not fuck Barb?
Chris would rather be homeless, or even in big boy prison.
He may think that but give him a couple days of actual homelessness or a few savage beatings and he'll change his tune. If he's not a moron he'll change it before getting sentenced to some rape charge.

It's also still an actual possibility that the prosecution and defense will essentially collude just to drag the case out past a year and then he gets released without anything having to be on the record, as he'll already have served all the time for the one count he's currently facing.

(As we've discussed pretty often, the one incest count is a wobbler but since the J&DR court doesn't have jurisdiction over felonies, only the one year misdemeanor incarceration is on the table without moving it to Circuit Court.)
 
(As we've discussed pretty often, the one incest count is a wobbler but since the J&DR court doesn't have jurisdiction over felonies, only the one year misdemeanor incarceration is on the table without moving it to Circuit Court.)

The radio silence is what's making me wonder. I at first assumed that the six month continuance (people keep saying 5, but it's just a few days short of 6) was simply to run out the clock -- but we haven't heard from Chris for a long time now.

I dug up that in Virginia six months is a typical period of delay for when someone is found incompetent to stand trial and is sent to medical to be treated. While I still don't think this is what happened, the longer we don't hear from Chris the more I will wonder if this is what happened. If this is the case the jail saga is gonna continue longer.

While Chris couldn't pull off an NGRI plea, his latest letters have gotten so unhinged it's possible he could be found incompetent.

It won't save him from a conviction, but could keep him confined indefinitely -- it's one of the few situations where you can still hold someone as long as needed against their will. Chris' attorney would have to be on board with it though, so there'd have to be a good reason. That's what really makes me doubt this is happening.

Naturally if I post this we'll hear from Chris the next day probably.

EDIT: Maybe @Spamton G. Spamton will get a response. I think he was going to send off a letter today.
 
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It won't save him from a conviction, but could keep him confined indefinitely
so will chris lawyer get paid while he's in Limbo forever?
if you're a lawyer and want to get paid more, just defend some autist with money and inflate your billable hours forever. if they dont have money, charge it to the state like chris lawyer.
 
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so will chris lawyer get paid while he's in Limbo forever?
if you're a lawyer and want to get paid more, just defend some autist with money and inflate your billable hours forever. if they dont have money, charge it to the state like chris lawyer.
I think Heilberg is taking Chris' case for free.
 
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He isn't charged with rape, impersonating Jesus, or falsely claiming to heal his mother. There's no reason he'd have to admit any of that. At most, he'd have to admit he had sex with his mother. I think it would be very manageable for his lawyer to get him to do that.
Getting to get Chris to NOT admit to repeatedly fucking Barb in order to Heal Her Memeory Problems, being Jesus and a God, in front of the Judge is his Lawyers big problem.
so will chris lawyer get paid while he's in Limbo forever?
if you're a lawyer and want to get paid more, just defend some autist with money and inflate your billable hours forever. if they dont have money, charge it to the state like chris lawyer.

I think Heilberg is taking Chris' case for free.
Heilberg was assigned the case by the Courts. He almost certainly has some contractual arrangement with the County to represent a certain number of indigent clients if called upon. But he's not gonna be making any real money from dealing with Chris. The County is paying him, but it's all but charity work for him.
 
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The County is paying him, but it's all but charity work for him.
Would/could Heilberg take Chris in after it's all said and done? If so, the scenario reminds me of the case of Diane Downs. Long story short: Downs shot her 3 children and blamed it on someone else. After she was sentenced for the crime, the prosecutor took her remaining living children (one had died due to gunshot) as his own.
 
Heilberg was assigned the case by the Courts. He almost certainly has some contractual arrangement with the County to represent a certain number of indigent clients if called upon. But he's not gonna be making any real money from dealing with Chris. The County is paying him, but it's all but charity work for him.

Court-appointed attorneys can make up to $90/hr, but billable time is capped by default. For instance in J&DR I think it's $55/hr with a cap of about $150. The cap can be lifted by the judge if the appointed counsel can convince them that more time is needed, which has almost certainly happened in Chris' case, but you can't just ask for infinite time/money -- you have to show that it was needed.

Still, even at $90/hr, that's chump change compared to what an experienced attorney can get from a paying client ($500+/hr). When dealing with clients with limited funds, a lot of attorneys will just ask for a flat fee up front though, e.g. $10k-$20k to handle the entire case.
 
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Would/could Heilberg take Chris in after it's all said and done? If so, the scenario reminds me of the case of Diane Downs. Long story short: Downs shot her 3 children and blamed it on someone else. After she was sentenced for the crime, the prosecutor took her remaining living children (one had died due to gunshot) as his own.
Heilberg is not going to take ownership of Chris. Take note he hasn't pushed for bail. In part because he has nowhere else to go and Heilberg sure as shit isn't bringing him home himself. Heilberg is a well experienced criminal defense lawyer. He knows to never ever do that. You help your clients deal with their problems. You don't make their problems your problems. Because what seems a kind act turns bad on you every single time.
 
Heilberg is not going to take ownership of Chris. Take note he hasn't pushed for bail. In part because he has nowhere else to go and Heilberg sure as shit isn't bringing him home himself. Heilberg is a well experienced criminal defense lawyer. He knows to never ever do that. You help your clients deal with their problems. You don't make their problems your problems. Because what seems a kind act turns bad on you every single time.
What happens when a mentally retarded transsexual who raped his mother gets sentenced by a judge to live with a hot shot, experienced lawyer and be his butler? Hijinks akimbo! Don't miss a single episode of Heilberg and the Sperg, this fall on Netflix.
 
Chris would rather be homeless, or even in big boy prison.

Not for long…

If Heilberg knows what he's doing, he will concentrate on what Chris doesn't get by pleading guilty.

Edit: This is not Chris' first guilty plea. I think it will come as a bit of a shock to him this time when he doesn't get to go home to 14BLC and his toys after pleading guilty.


It's also still an actual possibility that the prosecution and defense will essentially collude just to drag the case out past a year and then he gets released without anything having to be on the record, as he'll already have served all the time for the one count he's currently facing.

I don't believe the court is required to find a placement for Chris if he's not convicted or plead out. So running out the clock like that and then tossing him out the door onto the streets is about the cruelest thing they could do to him.

Of course they would soon find him arrested again and right back in their laps (well, not Heilberg), so I doubt that's their intent.

I can all but guarantee they're looking for somewhere to stuff him that's far, far away from Greene County. Best of luck to them.


so will chris lawyer get paid while he's in Limbo forever?

A lawyer of Heilberg's standing is not on this case for the money. Why he did take the case has been cause for much speculation.


Would/could Heilberg take Chris in after it's all said and done?

Short answer: No.

Long answer: LOLno.

After she was sentenced for the crime, the prosecutor took her remaining living children (one had died due to gunshot) as his own.

But he didn't take in Diane herself, which is what taking Chris in would be like.


Don't miss a single episode of Heilberg and the Sperg, this fall on Netflix.

Beat me to it. I was going with "The Oddest Couple". Where every week it's another Very Special Episode.
 
The radio silence is what's making me wonder. I at first assumed that the six month continuance (people keep saying 5, but it's just a few days short of 6) was simply to run out the clock -- but we haven't heard from Chris for a long time now.

I dug up that in Virginia six months is a typical period of delay for when someone is found incompetent to stand trial and is sent to medical to be treated. While I still don't think this is what happened, the longer we don't hear from Chris the more I will wonder if this is what happened. If this is the case the jail saga is gonna continue longer.

While Chris couldn't pull off an NGRI plea, his latest letters have gotten so unhinged it's possible he could be found incompetent.

It won't save him from a conviction, but could keep him confined indefinitely -- it's one of the few situations where you can still hold someone as long as needed against their will. Chris' attorney would have to be on board with it though, so there'd have to be a good reason. That's what really makes me doubt this is happening.

Naturally if I post this we'll hear from Chris the next day probably.

EDIT: Maybe @Spamton G. Spamton will get a response. I think he was going to send off a letter today.
Incompetent? Maybe. Chris's letters have been the inane, ramblings of retard with the IQ of a shovel but they aren't exactly Manson rant levels of dangerous, let alone incompetent.
 
Is there any way to dig up other cases that have been continued this long in Virginia for some sort of precedent? Would probably give a good perspective though I don't know how easy that would be to find.
 
I don't believe the court is required to find a placement for Chris if he's not convicted or plead out. So running out the clock like that and then tossing him out the door onto the streets is about the cruelest thing they could do to him.

Of course they would soon find him arrested again and right back in their laps (well, not Heilberg), so I doubt that's their intent.

I can all but guarantee they're looking for somewhere to stuff him that's far, far away from Greene County. Best of luck to them.

If they release him without charges, they also can't place any restrictions on him until he does something new to create problems. This pretty much guarantees him immediately trying to go back to 14BC, regardless of who is living there or who owns it.

If the house still belongs to the Chandlers, he's free to move back in, even if Barb is still there. (The EPO was only for one week and thus expired long, long ago, and you can't just keep granting EPOs repeatedly, they have to be replaced by a restraining order with the consent of the protected individual) If the house is sold, then he'll probably try to go in anyway. After all, nobody told him he can't. Neither situation would be good for Greene County and they'd probably wind up having him right back in court.

So yeah, I agree, they're looking for someplace to stuff him, and they'll need some sort of conviction to do it. If they release him without charges he's free to just walk out of the jail. If it's based on a plea deal they can "release" him into a tard home far across the state, where he'll be free to try to get back to 14BC but probably too inept and lazy to do so, and more importantly have a stern warning that he'll be immediately arrested again if he tries.

If Chris refuses a plea bargain they'll pretty much be forced to throw the book at him and then the Prisonchu saga begins. Even if Heilberg pulls off a miracle and gets Chris off the incest charges at trial due to insufficient evidence, a jury would still probably go for the misdemeanor EPO violation, and they'd still be free to ship Chris off to be "released" to a tard home far from Ruckersville.

Incompetent? Maybe. Chris's letters have been the inane, ramblings of retard with the IQ of a shovel but they aren't exactly Manson rant levels of dangerous, let alone incompetent.

You don't have to be dangerous to be incompetent. You don't have to be insane or incapacitated to be incompetent. You just have to be so nonfunctional that you can't assist in your own defense. Nobody plays this up intentionally for long, as it basically just means you stay in a treatment facility indefinitely until you have recovered, but it's still an attorney's job to report it so that their client does not get fucked in court (and the prosecution is inclined to accept it to avoid the risk of a mistrial being declared on appeal).

Chris is now coming off as crazy enough that you could conceivably argue that he cannot assist in his own defense.

Though by Virginia law, time spent in state mental care still counts as time served.

I don't think this is likely, but if we get more months of radio silence from Chris, one possible scenario is he's been refusing plea deals and Heilberg sent him off for treatment, with him getting out of it just in time to accept a 1-year plea deal.

Is there any way to dig up other cases that have been continued this long in Virginia for some sort of precedent? Would probably give a good perspective though I don't know how easy that would be to find.

Sure, lots of cases have been continued this long, including previous Chris cases. Chris' situation is only unusual in the nature of the charges and that he's being held in jail, but hasn't had a plea bargain, and the case is having a 6 month continuance while staying in J&DR court.

Usually when you are in jail you don't just willingly sit there for 6 months without a hearing. In places where it happens due to congested courts (like in New York City) that's usually considered a *bad* thing and defendants fight to get their dates moved up.

Normally what would happen if you were stuck in jail for a potential felony, but with the possibility of a misdemeanor deal, your attorney would not let you sit in jail any longer than necessary, but open to a decent plea deal. If the prosecution doesn't play ball, you push it toward a trial to move the negotiations along (since neither side wants a trial). Eventually somebody blinks before the trial starts.

You only drag things out for a long time if there's something you want to go stale. In this case I suppose there could be some advantage to Barb dying or becoming more forgetful, but that could easily go the other way and hurt Chris' case. I highly doubt Heilberg is stalling for that reason.

To bring back another Chris case comparison, let's go to the Snyder case. In this case Chris was out on bail, so stalling was less painful. The initial stalling was for a good 4 months. As I understand it, the prosecution was trying to get Chris and Barb to take the felony hit and run and Barb's assaulting a police officer (both wobblers) as a misdemeanor plea bargain, but Barb was determined to get Rob Bell to get them off on all charges. Eventually the prosecutor forced the issue and sent it to Circuit Court, where at the last minute Bell was finally able to convince Barb that it was the best deal they were going to get, and she wound up taking the misdemeanor plea deal anyway, wasting the Circuit Court's time. This process took about a year.

In that case, the stalling didn't cost Barb and Chris any jail time (other than the one night when they were arrested), but it did cost them all of their inheritance from Bob. I assume it was fairly frustrating for Rob Bell, but at least he was getting paid well.

If Barb and Chris had instead been stuck in jail, Bell would have called them crazy for willfully pushing the issue like that.
 
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I don't think Chris has any ownership interest in 14BC whatsoever. Barb is its sole owner, and could sell it out from under him, let it be foreclosed on, whatever. Unless she did some dodgy thing like have him cosign on it, but why would any mortgage company want something cosigned by a retard?
 
If the house still belongs to the Chandlers, he's free to move back in, even if Barb is still there.

Only insofar as the court is concerned.

If Tom and Harriet have taken over management of Barb and 14BLC (as is suspected), I don't see them permitting Chris to stay there.

Neither situation would be good for Greene County and they'd probably wind up having him right back in court.

If Chris remains in Greene County, whether at 14BLC somehow, or in a tard home, or on the streets, he's guaranteed to end up back in Greene County's courts eventually.

If Chris refuses a plea bargain they'll pretty much be forced to throw the book at him and then the Prisonchu saga begins.

One can always hope.

I don't see Heilberg letting that happen, though. I think he's more likely to go the incompetence route (as unlikely as that is) and let the Chris situation be resolved that way before he lets Chris tard himself back up to felony charges.

Also Chris has experience with making plea deals. It's old hat to him by now. It was Barb who insisted on being found innocent and pissed all that money away on Bell.

Imagine how surprised Chris will be when this plea deal doesn't end up like the others.


I don't think Chris has any ownership interest in 14BC whatsoever.

Only if Barb dies after the mortgage is paid off (or Chris somehow manages to take over the mortgage) and Cole doesn't show up for his share of the inheritance (or take over the mortgage).

Unless she did some dodgy thing like have him cosign on it, but why would any mortgage company want something cosigned by a retard?

Even if Chris is on the mortgage, it doesn't mean he's anywhere on the title.

IIRC someone paid for a title abstract on 14BLC after the fire. Bob was still on the title, as was Barb, and there were liens against it from two different lenders and a construction company. Chris wasn't mentioned anywhere.
 
Even if Chris is on the mortgage, it doesn't mean he's anywhere on the title.

IIRC someone paid for a title abstract on 14BLC after the fire. Bob was still on the title, as was Barb, and there were liens against it from two different lenders and a construction company. Chris wasn't mentioned anywhere.

Doesn't matter if he's on the mortgage or the title. As long as he's allowed to inherit it, he can inherit the mortgage. He doesn't need to get approved for it, as long as it's a normal mortgage and not a reverse mortgage. As long as he honors Bob and Barb's contract, he's good. This is protected by federal law (Garn-St. Germain Depository Institutions Act).

If Barb still has large unpayable unsecured debt, however, Chris could be screwed. Virginia's homestead exemption is only $5000 (it was set decades ago, and never increased with inflation), so the estate can't declare bankruptcy to save the house. Unless Virginia has a homestead probate exemption -- I don't know if they do.

Of course Chris has to know how to fucking do this or have a social worker that hooks him up with charity legal help. There is an incentive to do this as it would keep Chris from becoming homeless instead of draining the state's coffers.

Before the incest saga I more or less assumed that this is what would happen when Barb died, since with Barb's debts discharged Chris could afford the mortgage on his tugboat and just learn to eat ramen.

EDIT: PL but I have been involved with this process before. Depending on the amount of unsecured debt, the creditors fight harder but in a state with strong exemptions that just gets thrown out.
 
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