Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[Glowie Hunter Art Bell]

The US only punches down, they only attack and intervene in small nations that have little to no resources to defend themselves. They don't have balls enough to fight against an actual army like the ones of China or Russia.

No country does. Thats because all superpowers have followed the concept of limited war thats been followed since the cold war.

The US could roll over every active military in the world if they wanted to. They wont and they cant for a variety of reasons, most of them pertaining to maintaining peace and balance. This same idea goes for all other superpowers.

Worth noting the US is the the only country you listed that hasnt actively been forced out of a smaller country. China's proxy forces lost South korea (to the US) and Russian was pushed out of the ME. Whereas the US lost both 'Nam and Afghanistan to its own policy, not its opponents.

 

[Never Scored]

Yes, those drones are totally not backdoored by Russia or China or anything. Not like they're using Chinese microchips, right?

Don’t Trust the Chinese to Make Microchips for the Military

Congress should require defense manufacturers to buy vital electronics from American producers.

www.wsj.com

Don’t Trust the Chinese to Make Microchips for the Military - WSJ

archived 27 Oct 2017 00:49:16 UTC

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I mean, Taiwan makes over half of the world's microchips, so I don't necessarily know that all the drones have chips that have been made in Communist China.

 

[Radical Cadre]

The US could roll over every active military in the world if they wanted to. They wont and they cant for a variety of reasons

Well that point lasted long...

 

[Glowie Hunter Art Bell]

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Well that point lasted long...

Not sure what you're getting at here

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

I mean, Taiwan makes over half of the world's microchips, so I don't necessarily know that all the drones have chips have been made in Communist China.

You're assuming that the people in charge of the US military procurement process aren't compromised or aren't incompetent diversity hires.

Special report: Microchip security continues to confound Pentagon - Roll Call

The Pentagon and Congress are concerned computer chips and servers can not only be counterfeit but also malicious if it carries spyware.

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Special report: Microchip security continues to confound Pentagon - R…

archived 23 Feb 2022 16:51:32 UTC

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Edit: Note that they're using Windows.

 

[Radical Cadre]

Not sure what you're getting at here

The United States could "roll over" any active military on Earth; except they won't and can't.

You killed it in the crib, bro.

 

[Male Idiot]

No country does. Thats because all superpowers have followed the concept of limited war thats been followed since the cold war.

The US could roll over every active military in the world if they wanted to. They wont and they cant for a variety of reasons, most of them pertaining to maintaining peace and balance. This same idea goes for all other superpowers.

Worth noting the US is the the only country you listed that hasnt actively been forced out of a smaller country. China's proxy forces lost South korea (to the US) and Russian was pushed out of the ME. Whereas the US lost both 'Nam and Afghanistan to its own policy, not its opponents.

I don't know where you got it from, but I want some of that copium.

 

[TheBeanz]

With the movements toward mobilisation on both sides taking place now I'm about 99% sure it's going to kick off:

Take your bets bois, who's firing the shot that kicks this fucker off?

 

[Male Idiot]

With the movements toward mobilisation on both sides taking place now I'm about 99% sure it's going to kick off:
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Take your bets bois, who's firing the shot that kicks this fucker off?

A slav, propably on vodka.

 

[Glowie Hunter Art Bell]

The United States could "roll over" any active military on Earth; except they won't and can't.

You killed it in the crib, bro.

They could physically, but they cant for a variety of policy reasons.

If tomorrow, as both armies stand rn, the US wanted China as state #51, China would absolutely lose if the US invaded. The problem is that this will never happen. The US WONT do it because its pointless, and CANT do it for about a bajillion political reasons and things that pertain to the balance of the world.

Example, I COULD murder you. But I WONT because I don't want to, and I CANT because ill go to jail

Figured that was understood. Didnt know some kiwis needed reddit level breakdowns of things due to a lack of inferencing skills

 

[Never Scored]

Edit: Note that they're using Windows.

What's your point? Big tech in US is basically an extension of the US government anyway. What are they going to use an NSA mandated backdoor to spy on themselves?

Plus as per your own article only 13% of the US army's chips are manufactured in China. Most of them come from South Korea and Taiwan, nations that are US allies and were essentially created as a result of US foreign policy.

 

[Observotron]

I know you are being at least partially facetious, but in all seriousness the US probably has enough armed remote control drones to flatten most armies from the other side of the world should the need arise.

Of course, even those are a moot point when the army you're trying to flatten has enough intercontinental nuclear missiles to wipe out all human life on the planet several times over. I don't think the US, Russia or China will ever engage in open warfare with each other for this very reason. The battles between those three are all going to be done through cyberattacks, sanctions and economic dominance for the foreseeable future imo.

I'm being facetious about the ed-209s and terminators, but, as you pointed out, if the US really wanted anything of value (alongside any nuclear equipped country), soldiers would probably be the last action to go and occupy any livable area after nuclear bombardment. It's partially the reason I instantly lose any trepidation over a world power threatening the use of WMD. Ordinarily, a robber wouldn't warn you if they had a gun if they had one, they'd just use it or point it at you.

Yes, those drones are totally not backdoored by Russia or China or anything. Not like they're using Chinese microchips, right?

Don’t Trust the Chinese to Make Microchips for the Military

Congress should require defense manufacturers to buy vital electronics from American producers.

www.wsj.com

Don’t Trust the Chinese to Make Microchips for the Military - WSJ

archived 27 Oct 2017 00:49:16 UTC

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Proof That Military Chips From China Are Infected?

www.military.com

Proof That Military Chips From China Are Infected? | Military.com

archived 15 Nov 2018 01:59:53 UTC

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Call me paranoid or whatever, but I highly doubt that the US wouldn't know about any kind of security breach like that, at least regarding military equipment. If the WSJ and a something called 'military.com' thinks there's' a security breach, the military probably thinks so too. It's probably the wisest thing to play dumb (something I think America is great at doing nowadays)

 

[No. 7 cat]

No country does. Thats because all superpowers have followed the concept of limited war thats been followed since the cold war.

The US could roll over every active military in the world if they wanted to. They wont and they cant for a variety of reasons, most of them pertaining to maintaining peace and balance. This same idea goes for all other superpowers.

Worth noting the US is the the only country you listed that hasnt actively been forced out of a smaller country. China's proxy forces lost South korea (to the US) and Russian was pushed out of the ME. Whereas the US lost both 'Nam and Afghanistan to its own policy, not its opponents.

Afghanistan fell while there were still some US forces there. The Taleban knew the US of confused Joe weren't going to do a thing. The political situation in the US made sure of that. The Democratic Republic of Afghanistan outlasted the Soviet withdrawal by three years, and outlasted the Soviet Union for a bit, until the Northern Alliance warlords backing the government decided to 5D chess themselves of the capital. Gorbachev made a political decision to depart, and their local allies held on while aid was given. The French Army smashed the FLN terrorists, but de Gaulle made a political decision to quit Algeria. The US certainly messed up Vietnam, murdering Ngo Diem, the one opponent Ho Chi Minh respected, because of a faked Buddhist protest movement. Big countries are almost never forced out. The political will to stay disappears.

 

[cybertoaster]

And that they both suffer from the same shit.

All of the religious right channer wannabes crying about the degeneracy here while Russia is rampant with alcoholism, sex, prostitution, theft, and organized crime, as are many former soviet countries.

Almost like these people dont go outside or something

"Hey guys look at this picture of a white guy withna cross in russian army vs this random black dude in the US army, clearly they will win because muh jesus" as if black dudes weren't out there dropping slants and krauts with the rest of us in WW2, Korea, Nam, etc

A draft won't happen for 2 reasons.

A: we dont NEED a draft rn. The military has a surplus of men in pretty much every branch.

B: a draft will likely never pass congressional approval again due to it's problematic nature.

They could physically, but they cant for a variety of policy reasons.

If tomorrow, as both armies stand rn, the US wanted China as state #51, China would absolutely lose if the US invaded. The problem is that this will never happen. The US WONT do it because its pointless, and CANT do it for about a bajillion political reasons and things that pertain to the balance of the world.

Example, I COULD murder you. But I WONT because I don't want to, and I CANT because ill go to jail

Figured that was understood. Didnt know some kiwis needed reddit level breakdowns of things due to a lack of inferencing skills

Holy shit how delusional are you? how can you say any of that shit after the afghan fiasco?

You really think you can invade a nuclear armed country with over a billion people and keep any semblance of control? you seriously believe they wont launch everything they got the moment we actually land on the mainland?

Even france alone could nuke most of our country if they wanted and their military its but a fraction of ours.

And last time I checked the military its desperate for recruits, the airforce alone its bleeding personnel to the private sector even though its one of the safest options in terms of battlefield survivability when compared to the army and the marines.

Should we sell weapons to ukraine? sure, in fact I don't know why we aren't already yet we keep arming israel for free, but we shouldn't for any reason actually go there ourselves, its beyond stupid to do so.

 

[Su-27 Flanker-B]

They could physically, but they cant for a variety of policy reasons.

If tomorrow, as both armies stand rn, the US wanted China as state #51, China would absolutely lose if the US invaded. The problem is that this will never happen. The US WONT do it because its pointless, and CANT do it for about a bajillion political reasons and things that pertain to the balance of the world.

Example, I COULD murder you. But I WONT because I don't want to, and I CANT because ill go to jail

Figured that was understood. Didnt know some kiwis needed reddit level breakdowns of things due to a lack of inferencing skills

I really don't know how to put it so I don't sound like a dick, so let me put it that way.

You expect that USA would be able to easily win in a war across the ocean against an enemy that's been gearing up for said war for decades now, is actively indoctrinating its people, and is massively expanding stocks of its hardware with ever-increasing budget.

That really doesn't make much sense.

 

[capitalBBustard]

Just gonna leave that here for now.
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Shit/10 map, "Ukraine" should be called Krasnorussia

 

[дядя Боря]

Just gonna leave that here for now.
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we can laugh (Russia give back our traditional lands)

or we can talk seriously about it

Moscow and Saint ras-chleLeningrad are the biggest accumulations of wealth, always were, much like Nork capital was a Potemkin village from the Soviet times.

If you look where people are migrating for better living standards, all arrows point to Moscow.

Here is the map of population increase, reduction from 1926 to 2019 (red is increase, green is decrease)

If you look at the map of mineral and oil/gas resources, most of them are way outside of the densely populated areas. Consequently if Yakutia would regain its independence (and they legit use to have it) it's percapita income would be higher than Norway or Emirates.

The Caucuses, like Chechnya are massive dotation (net negative) regions that are placated with money.

Crimea, Donbass are also dotation regions, not only now, but they were before the shitshow.

There is a massive internal pressure for Russian federation to come apart with a lot of very motivated people.



And the reason I bring this up, something that's being used by pro-Putin trolls, is that West somehow can't or won't crush Russia. These are the same people who peddle Iraq destruction, removing Saddam and creating a power vacuum. Well, Russia is a lot like that. If it collapses without clear leadership (and we all know how well even weak opposition fares in "democratic" russia) There will be Iraq II.

Does anyone want Iraq 2 with old nukes they can't maintain? I think that a more sensible solution is to remove the schizo who won't take his meds and replace him with Putin II (ala 2000) who dutifully carries the briefcase of his masters and keeps his yupper shut. Rich people just want to grill, not collapse international treaties or threaten entire continents. It's bad for business.

This is the Putin everyone needs, the beta cuck with his master's briefcase from 20 years ago. This was that Putin that was put as the front for Russian oligarchy. Vlad clearly lost his bearings and thinks himself a master.

The problem is that camps of oligharchs closer to Putin like their place near the trough. Putin has also compensated loss of profits to his biggest oligharchs from Russia's budget before. At some point it's not going to be profitable to be next to him, probably isn't already.

 

[Badungus Kabungus]

I'm being facetious about the ed-209s and terminators, but, as you pointed out, if the US really wanted anything of value (alongside any nuclear equipped country), soldiers would probably be the last action to go and occupy any livable area after nuclear bombardment. It's partially the reason I instantly lose any trepidation over a world power threatening the use of WMD. Ordinarily, a robber wouldn't warn you if they had a gun if they had one, they'd just use it or point it at you.


Call me paranoid or whatever, but I highly doubt that the US wouldn't know about any kind of security breach like that, at least regarding military equipment. If the WSJ and a something called 'military.com' thinks there's' a security breach, the military probably thinks so too. It's probably the wisest thing to play dumb (something I think America is great at doing nowadays)

The military knows it's a problem, everyone's been talking about it for over 10 years now. There's just nothing they can do about it, short of grounding everything that has a chip in it.

What's your point? Big tech in US is basically an extension of the US government anyway. What are they going to use an NSA mandated backdoor to spy on themselves?

You seriously believe that the NSA is the only security organization with a stockpile of weaponized 0-day exploits, or that only the US has access to the Intel ME backdoor?

Drones work great on primitive goat-herders, not on other superpowers that can ground your entire drone fleet or blind your satellite network with the push of a button.

 

[Never Scored]

You seriously believe that the NSA is the only security organization with a stockpile of weaponized 0-day exploits, or that only the US has access to the Intel ME backdoor?

I believe many of those backdoors are actually created at the behest of the NSA. They're a feature, not a bug.

Drones work great on primitive goat-herders, not on other superpowers that can ground your entire drone fleet or blind your satellite network with the push of a button.

It's a bit of a moot point because I said they'd never use them on a nuclear power in the original post you quoted anyway.

 

[Observotron]

The military knows it's a problem, everyone's been talking about it for over 10 years now. There's just nothing they can do about it, short of grounding everything that has a chip in it.

Well, hopefully they become more reliant on an internal/self sustaining ecosystem with stuff like that.