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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Hungary sending troops close to Ukraine border
@Male Idiot as our primary Magyarposter here, what are you thoughts?

EDIT: @Karl der Grosse Paratroopers are an extremely flexible rapid-response force. Even if they don't airdrop they remain highly air mobile with the use of helicopters and such, and can deploy where needed, either to occupy blocking positions prior to the arrival of heavier units or evacuate assets and people before the conflict line can reach them. They're also trained for independent operations, both as a whole and in smaller deployment levels such as platoons, with little-to-no expectations of backup, which is exactly what this shitshow would become.
 
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EDIT: @Karl der Grosse Paratroopers are an extremely flexible rapid-response force. Even if they don't airdrop they remain highly air mobile with the use of helicopters and such, and can deploy where needed, either to occupy blocking positions prior to the arrival of heavier units or evacuate assets and people before the conflict line can reach them. They're also trained for independent operations, both as a whole and in smaller deployment levels such as platoons, with little-to-no expectations of backup, which is exactly what this shitshow would become.

And what would we do if one of these small unit deployments gets wiped out by a mass artillery bombardment, which is practically the only thing that the Russian/Soviet Union/Russian again army has ever been good at? Would America as a whole demand that we reinforce them with units that probably wouldn't arrive or be deployed before Putin is finished taking the territory he wants? Or would America demand the recall of our forces ala Mogadishu?

I mean, if we're just using them to build refugee camps in Poland, they're safe as could be right now. But will they deploy into Ukraine?

One thing's for sure, we have the weakest administration in my lifetime in office, coupled with the weakest and most unpopular Congress that America has ever seen. Whatever response they come up with is virtually guaranteed to be poorly planned and poorly implemented and wildly unpopular both domestically and abroad.
 
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And what would we do if one of these small unit deployments gets wiped out by a mass artillery bombardment, which is practically the only thing that the Russian/Soviet Union/Russian again army has ever been good at? Would America as a whole demand that we reinforce them with units that probably wouldn't arrive or be deployed before Putin is finished taking the territory he wants? Or would America demand the recall of our forces ala Mogadishu?

I mean, if we're just using them to build refugee camps in Poland, they're safe as could be right now. But will they deploy into Ukraine?

One thing's for sure, we have the weakest administration in my lifetime in office, coupled with the weakest and most unpopular Congress that America has ever seen. Whatever response they come up with is virtually guaranteed to be poorly planned and poorly implemented and wildly unpopular both domestically and abroad.
There's no appetite for war in the USA. If we had competent leadership, we'd probably feel better about sending people into harm's way even after the 20 year shitshow, but considering how badly Afghanistan got bungled and the only evidence is that things have gotten worse? Pretty sure we're not going to be doing any fighting, with the most likely response from the public to any casualties is a demand that Biden step the fuck down after yet another military debacle. It would be one of the biggest crises of confidence in the history of the USA... which is pretty sure why I think Biden and his handlers are dumb enough to think they can magically avoid any consequences. I mean, who are they going to blame? Milley Cyrus after he carried water for them over Afghanistan? There's no loyalty in the Biden admin or the upper ranks of the US military.

EDIT: Keep in mind in the old days of Dem politics if you took a fall for the boss they'd pull some strings and get you a nice job away from the public eye. Eric Holder seems to be doing pretty well for himself as a bigshot D.C. lawyer and member of the totally-opposed-to-gerrymandering National Democratic Redistricting Committee.
In July 2015, Holder rejoined Covington & Burling, the law firm at which he worked before becoming Attorney General. The law firm's clients have included many of the large banks Holder declined to prosecute for their alleged role in the financial crisis. Matt Taibbi of Rolling Stone opined about the move, "I think this is probably the single biggest example of the revolving door that we've ever had."

In early 2016, Holder was hired by the MTN Group, a South Africa-based telecommunications company as a part of its efforts to combat a $3.9 billion fine handed to the MTN Group by the government of Nigeria. Rather than attempt to negotiate with the regulatory body that issued the fine, the Nigerian Communications Commission (NCC), Holder worked with the Nigerian Attorney General Abubakar Malami to reach a compromise. While the NCC initially rejected a proposal from Malami for a reduced fine, it later decided to reduce the fine by more than half. The MTN Group paid the reduced amount, which totaled around $1.7 billion.

In October 2016, Holder announced that he would chair the newly incorporated National Democratic Redistricting Committee, a group aiming to support Democratic candidates in state races ahead of the redistricting that will follow the 2020 Census.

During 2018, Holder suggested on several occasions that he might run for the presidency in 2020. In July, he told CNN he thought a presidential candidate needed five qualities—the ability to inspire others, a vision for the job, the ability to meet both the physical and mental strains of the job, and appropriate experience. Holder added that he believed he possessed those five qualities, but noted that his wife would be involved in his decision. On March 4, 2019, Holder announced that he would not seek the White House in 2020 but would continue his work with the National Democratic Redistricting Committee to help elect a Democratic candidate who had the five qualities he thought were necessary.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Holder#Return_to_private_practice
Of course, that was then, and nobody in the Biden admin has the strings to pull getting a job for any of their fall guys. Just remember, when you get to the upper echelons of power, loyalty is never something you can buy but there's no shortage of people willing to rent it out.
 
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Leftists under a republican president:
"The US is not the world police!"

Leftists under a democrat president:
"Everything that happens anywhere is our responsibility to police!"

Well, back in WW2 Roosevelt promised to interfere if Russia attacked the Baltics and never delivered. Many people died in labor camps after the resulting occupation. That's why the Baltics need a tangible gesture, such as a troop deployment, to be assured. What US has to gain there in the long term, I'm not too sure, but I guess sending a couple thousand troops sure beats losing influence in Eastern Europe, and from the perspective of the Baltics, definitely beats being occupied by Russia for the 1564968543524th time.
 
Military that just lost a 20 year war against one of the shittiest and poorest countries in the world thinks it can win a war against Russia and China.
Arguably the US is more capable of fighting a traditional war against a nation-state than an asymmetric war against a people with no formal governing body or state to speak of.
 
You would think after the failure that was the last 20 years in the middle east people in power would be a bit more hesitant to send troops halfway across the planet and risk getting involved i a protracted conflict again, but I guess atleast Lockheed Martin and co will be happy to sell more shit to the military.

We're barely sending any more than we've had there for decades, and there wont be any protracted war in Europe.

Everyone we send out there will continue to spend their time drinking, vetting legit online whore adds from Russian psyops, and being a trip wire force that guarantees the US fully committing should those NATO posting be attacked. If a conflict ever does come it will either fizzle out quickly in a cease fire or rapidly escalate into one that likely ends in a matter of weeks or months with the decisive victory of one side or another assuming it doesn't go nuclear

Modern conflict between near-peer adversaries like Russia and the US/NATO isn't going to be like previous eras where it was decided by the rate at which opposing sides can produce and train replacement vehicles/aircraft/munitions/soldiers. Guided munitions are way to accurate for that nowadays, everyone is going to war with what they have and isn't wiped out in the opening strikes.

Military that just lost a 20 year war against one of the shittiest and poorest countries in the world thinks it can win a war against Russia and China.

Ah yes the good old "In order to defeat the US all we need to do is turn our country into Afghanistan".

Any developed nation is never going to deteriorate to the degree that it resembles Afghanistan before it either surrenders or uses nukes if it has them.
 
I've been watching the reactions from BlueAnon and general shitlibs and what isn't steeped in pure Russian hatred that make Jewish hatred look tame, it's their hypocrisy: when the US invaded Iraq and bombed them to nothing during the Gulf War over wanting to get stolen oil back from Kuwait (see: Highway of Death) that was done for 'democracy' and 'protecting NATO'. Now the borders of another country are more important the America's own - that is overflowing with MILLIONS of migrants, unstoppable and who will never be deported - and they want to spur Americans into a war they have no interest or will to fight in. America is broke, destitute, struggling and suffering. Sure, you might convince a few to fight but the shitlibs won't be signing up.

Most of Germany's electricity and gas comes from Russia. Germany can brag about it now but once the power goes off and they have rolling blackouts, no solar panels imported from China is going to save them. France also suffers from this. Russia has become more self-dependent and is rich in natural resources. These sanctions will drive them closer to China, which provides most of the world's material anyways.

Putin knows this. And all in all he wants the Slavs under one great country again. It's rather clever how he's doing it: gradually accepting the Russian-speaking Ukrainians and getting the others to wonder whether it's better to be under Russia or a NATO puppet.

America will gnash its teeth and scream to the heavens but most know how it invaded nations for 'oil and democracy' and the whole WMDs in Iraq thing. Oh and don't forget the Golan Heights.
 
I've been watching the reactions from BlueAnon and general shitlibs and what isn't steeped in pure Russian hatred that make Jewish hatred look tame, it's their hypocrisy: when the US invaded Iraq and bombed them to nothing during the Gulf War over wanting to get stolen oil back from Kuwait (see: Highway of Death) that was done for 'democracy' and 'protecting NATO'. Now the borders of another country are more important the America's own - that is overflowing with MILLIONS of migrants, unstoppable and who will never be deported - and they want to spur Americans into a war they have no interest or will to fight in. America is broke, destitute, struggling and suffering. Sure, you might convince a few to fight but the shitlibs won't be signing up.

Most of Germany's electricity and gas comes from Russia. Germany can brag about it now but once the power goes off and they have rolling blackouts, no solar panels imported from China is going to save them. France also suffers from this. Russia has become more self-dependent and is rich in natural resources. These sanctions will drive them closer to China, which provides most of the world's material anyways.

Putin knows this. And all in all he wants the Slavs under one great country again. It's rather clever how he's doing it: gradually accepting the Russian-speaking Ukrainians and getting the others to wonder whether it's better to be under Russia or a NATO puppet.

America will gnash its teeth and scream to the heavens but most know how it invaded nations for 'oil and democracy' and the whole WMDs in Iraq thing. Oh and don't forget the Golan Heights.
No, not France. The situation in France is the complete opposite. They are more than enough energy self sufficient. They have a massive number of nuclear powerplants.
Both for themselves, but they also have over the last 4-5 decades been building nuclear powerplants close to their borders to neighbouring countries and selling the electricity to them.
They have lots of nuclear plants that are dedicated to serve neighbouring countries. And they have recently said they plan to build some 10-20 new ones over the next few decades (to produce electricity for the other countries in europe that are getting off coal plants, and perhaps russian gas.)

Nuclear energy and producing and selling energy to the rest of europe is VERY BIG business in France. They would love if germany decided to buy even more electricity from them. This is why you see so different reactions and attitudes towards russia between germany and france.
 
President Joe Biden's administration has informed Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy of intelligence assessing that Russia is preparing to conduct a full-scale invasion of the neighboring country within the next 48 hours, U.S. intelligence officials have revealed to Newsweek.

"The President of Ukraine has been warned Russia will highly likely begin an invasion within 48 hours based on U.S. intelligence," a U.S. official with direct knowledge told Newsweek.

"Additionally," the U.S. official added, "reporting from aircraft observers indicates Russia violated Ukrainian airspace earlier today, flying possible reconnaissance aircraft for a short period over Ukraine."

A source close to Zelenskyy's government also confirmed to Newsweek that such a warning was received, but noted that this was the third time in a month Kyiv was told to prepare for imminent large-scale military action order by Russian President Vladimir Putin.

"It's possible for sure," the source said. "Putin can't keep so many troops in the field much longer."

The Pentagon's assessment includes Russian airstrikes, cruise missiles and ground invasion, according to the U.S. intelligence official.

The information was confirmed by a second U.S. intelligence official, who emphasized the comprehensive nature of the military operation the Pentagon anticipated from Russia.

The official told Newsweek that the invasion will include not only a push from the pro-Moscow rebel-held Donbas region in the east, where additional Russian units termed "peacekeepers" by Moscow were sent Monday, but also a major thrust toward the capital Kyiv from the northern border with Belarus, where Russian troops recently extended joint exercises with their ally.

The second U.S. official said that the operation would begin with a cyber attack, followed by a ground invasion that would likely occur at night. Both officials maintained, however, that Russia's plans could change based on daily developments.

Another source who took part in a National Security Council call on Tuesday confirmed to Newsweek that the White House was "incredibly pessimistic" about this being limited to the Russia-endorsed rebel republics and that an invasion would likely occur in 24-48 hours.

Newsweek has reached out to the White House, Pentagon and Russian embassy in Washington for comment.

Shortly after Newsweek was made aware of these U.S. assessments, the websites for Ukraine's Defense Ministry, Foreign Ministry and other institutions abruptly went offline in what signaled a potential sweeping cyber attack, which would add to a series of apparent cyber assaults that the White House has publicly blamed on Moscow.

Newsweek also reported Monday after obtaining an FBI document that U.S. law enforcement has warned the U.S. private sector of a heightened potential of Russian state-sponsored cyber attacks against the United States.

Moscow has denied engaging in any hostile cyber activity and has accused Washington of exaggerating the likelihood of a conflict erupting over Ukraine, which has been at war for eight years with two Russia-aligned breakaway republics in Donbas. The self-proclaimed states were granted recognition Monday by Putin in a move the Russian leader argued was necessary to protect them from Ukrainian aggression.

No country has yet followed suit, and U.S. and Ukrainian officials have rejected the move as part of a pre-orchestrated plot to justify the deployment of Russian troops into the insurgent region and a potential larger-scale effort toward operations in other parts of Ukraine.

The U.S. has been warning for weeks that Russia was in a position to conduct an invasion at any time amid an unprecedented military buildup near Ukraine's borders, and Biden said Friday that he was "convinced" Putin had already made the decision to do so, though he noted "diplomacy is always a possibility."

But after Monday's events, the State Department and White House signaled that "in-principle" meetings scheduled between Secretary of State Antony Blinken and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov as well as between Biden and Putin were no longer on the agenda.

In the two decades since first taking power at the beginning of the 21st century, Putin has criticized the eastward expansion of NATO toward Russia's borders. In recent years he has emphasized demands for new security assurances limiting the U.S.-led alliance's military activities in the region, and that Ukraine, as well as Georgia, be excluded from the bloc they seek to join.

But NATO has only doubled down on efforts to shore up its western flank since 2014 when an uprising brought to power a pro-West government in Ukraine, sparking the Donbas insurgency and Russia's annexation of the Crimean Peninsula after a referendum rejected by Kyiv and its Western backers.

As Moscow sent waves of troops to areas bordering Ukraine in recent months, including Belarus and Crimea, Russia began negotiations with the U.S. and NATO to seek a rollback of the coalition's presence in line with a 1997 treaty established in the wake of the Cold War. But Washington and its allies have maintained that states were free to seek NATO membership, a position that, along with the collapse of longstanding bilateral arms control measures, Putin has repeatedly warned came as a threat to Russia's own national security.

As Ukraine has not yet received NATO membership, the country does not fall under the alliance's Article 5 triggering collective military action and Biden has said he had no plans to send U.S. troops to Ukraine, where Washington's embassy and that of a number of other allied countries have been evacuated.

Rather, the U.S. and other NATO states have sent military support to Ukraine and vowed sweeping, "severe" sanctions against Russia in response to any invasion, the first tranche of which was rolled out in the past couple of days in response to Russia's actions.

The Russian Foreign Ministry dismissed the latest sanctions, which target wealthy businessmen, top officials and their families as well as banks, as the 101st attempt to coerce a change in Moscow's policies in vain.

"Despite the obvious futility of the efforts made over the years to hinder the development of our economy, the United States is again reflexively seizing on restrictive instruments that are ineffective and counterproductive from the point of view of American interests," the Russian Foreign Ministry said.

"Russia has proved that, with all the sanctions costs, it is able to minimize the damage. And even more so, sanctions pressure is not able to affect our determination to firmly defend our interests," the statement added.

The ministry accused Washington of resorting to "blackmail, intimidation and threats" in its foreign policy approach and asserted that Moscow remained "open to diplomacy based on the principles of mutual respect, equality and consideration of each other's interests."

But the ministry also warned of retaliatory measures in response to Biden's latest sanctions.

"There should be no doubt that sanctions will be given a strong response, not necessarily symmetrical, but measured and sensitive for the American side," the ministry added.

This is a developing news story. More information will be added as it becomes available.

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*As of 3:37pm Eastern the Ukranian Parliament has approved a state of emergency. Furthering our asymptotic approach to this actually happening.

10:12PM EASTERN IT'S SHOWTIME MOTHERFUCKERS!
 
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I've been watching the reactions from BlueAnon and general shitlibs and what isn't steeped in pure Russian hatred that make Jewish hatred look tame, it's their hypocrisy: when the US invaded Iraq and bombed them to nothing during the Gulf War over wanting to get stolen oil back from Kuwait (see: Highway of Death) that was done for 'democracy' and 'protecting NATO'. Now the borders of another country are more important the America's own - that is overflowing with MILLIONS of migrants, unstoppable and who will never be deported - and they want to spur Americans into a war they have no interest or will to fight in. America is broke, destitute, struggling and suffering. Sure, you might convince a few to fight but the shitlibs won't be signing up.

Most of Germany's electricity and gas comes from Russia. Germany can brag about it now but once the power goes off and they have rolling blackouts, no solar panels imported from China is going to save them. France also suffers from this. Russia has become more self-dependent and is rich in natural resources. These sanctions will drive them closer to China, which provides most of the world's material anyways.

Putin knows this. And all in all he wants the Slavs under one great country again. It's rather clever how he's doing it: gradually accepting the Russian-speaking Ukrainians and getting the others to wonder whether it's better to be under Russia or a NATO puppet.

America will gnash its teeth and scream to the heavens but most know how it invaded nations for 'oil and democracy' and the whole WMDs in Iraq thing. Oh and don't forget the Golan Heights.

You gotta give Krauts credit for cutting Nordstream 2. Though it is probably too little too late and an idiot would have seen that depending on Russia even more makes little sense in the long run.
 
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