Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[IAmNotAlpharius]

It isn't, it's a major problem in Europe and has completely dulled Europe's ability to make any decisions on this war.

Thanks to "green energy" spergouts, European countries cannot actually negotiate. They outsourced all of their power needs to Russia because of green energy bullshit. This is directly related - it's not even slightly off-topic, you cannot understand the situation faced by any party if you don't understand how damaging these policies have been.

Here’s some food for thought. If Russia has complete leverage over Europe, why should the US bother to negotiate with Europe when they willingly threw away their hand? Why not go straight to the source of power instead?

 

[Willie Thrills]

To be fair, isn't it only Germoney? France is pretty much powered by nuclear plants, no? (And the UK still has coal deposits if they really want to get down to the brass tacks.)

You mean the largest country in the EU? "Only Germany"? For fuck's sake, that's 1/5th of the entire EU alone.

What the fuck man. France's nuclear power is expensive as fuck and is only electrical, for obvious reasons. Most houses in the EU are fuelled by natural gas - the UK's energy prices are insane, to the point where I've been wearing two jumpers all month.

It's going to be a cold spring, I think. It's not about electricity alone, domestic heating is largely natural gas and Russia has a lot of that.

List of countries by natural gas imports - Wikipedia

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List of countries by natural gas exports - Wikipedia

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Figure 2

Note that the net export of Russian gas is higher than the gross export of any other country - it's by far the #1.

It's practically all of Europe which depends on these imports. Germany is just the most vulnerable.

 

[What the shit]

Fuck picking Option 3. Pick Option 2 so that every country can get up from their fatass and do something worthwhile for once.

And potentially cause WW3 and a nuclear war? I doubt they'd go all in, and of course it's a very very risky thing to do. A lot of what ifs and what nots.

 

[Divine right to rule]

Ukraine was poor and corrupt forever. People aren't particularly interested in fighting a lost battle when the Russians will treat them about the same as the Ukrainian politicians did

In the following occupation, this will surely be a major factor.
Ukraine was ruled by Russia for so long, and they are so culturally similar that the return to being a Russian satellite will be much smoother than, for example, America conquering a middle eastern country and reshaping it in it's completely different values.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

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Fuck it Let Russia have em.

 

[Getting tard comed]

I think HHH is absolutely right about this, which is why it helps to have dissenting opinions in this thread, so it doesn't devolve into a circle-jerk. NATO has been encroaching on Russia for a while and I think the Ukraine's NATO overtures are more-or-less administration independent. Let's say this happened under Trump, his options are:

1) Sanction Russia - lol, they're already sanctioned.
2) Start a conflict that has the potential to escalate to WWIII
3) Do nothing and let Russia have eastern Ukraine

These are essentially the same options Biden has. I think it's pretty obvious both administrations would pick option 3. Even a Jeb Bush administration would pick option 3. Maybe Hillary Clinton would've picked option 2 but that would've only been to sacrifice millions of children to Moloch, not because it was a sound foreign policy decision.

Option 3 is the only option because Americans don't want to be the world police anymore.

Problem is under Trump there wouldn't have been any overtures to Ukraine joining NATO. He was trying to dismantle it. The main justification for this has been Russia's red line on Ukraine joining NATO. Could he come up with a different casus belli, probably, but you shouldn't just give him one on a silver platter.

So no, I don't believe this happens under Trump because I don't think Trump does stupid shit to give Putin a reason to invade.

 

[Prosphora]

Priyanik production halted in Tula, which is famous for its priyanik(Cake baked with honey). Had one once it was delicious.

 

[ComedyEnjoyer]

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Holy fuck, part of warfare is now demanding twitter ban your enemy.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

And potentially cause WW3 and a nuclear war? I doubt they'd go all in, and of course it's a very very risky thing to do. A lot of what ifs and what nots.

I doubt Russia would go Nuclear War.

"World War 3 will be fought with Ones and Zeros" - Vladamir Putin.

 

[Willie Thrills]

Here’s some food for thought. If Russia has complete leverage over Europe, why should the US bother to negotiate with Europe when they willingly threw away their hand? Why not go straight to the source of power instead?

Because they didn't "willingly" - the European energy market is so insanely corrupt that I would bet it has been a target for the CIA for decades.

 

[Gehenna]

Seems like some Ukrainian position are holding.
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Looks like in some areas phase 2 of the plan will begin. retreat 'elite' forces behind entrenched defensive lines. Give them some rest, recuperation, and repairs.

Once they are good to go and air superiority is confirmed secured, airdrop the fuckers to the next vulnerable spot to start the offensive over again.

 

[Some Badger]

The first two world wars started because some idiot invaded a slavic country, let that sink in.

Both idiots in question were non-Slavs, so Putin is breaking the mold a little.

 

[Karma Khan]

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Can't beat them on the battlefield so you want them banned from Twitter? Goddamn, I hate Russia as much as the next guy but I'll be damned if these fags aren't making me think they deserve what they're getting.

 

[BradCarter]

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.... A existential war is happening and the tranny Ukraine employs to handle twitter decides canceling Russia is a good use of time. RIP how will Putin recover?

 

[Mothra1988]

Lol it's hilarious how you tards still are unable to accept that the career conman you worship was just a puppet to Putin

Biden is president RIGHT NOW, Trump is not. You can't deal with the fact you voted for a complete failure. At least cut your losses like all rational people being polled have done instead of thinking anyone will buy your deflection.

Living in the past when you thought you had the moral high-ground is not a good look for you. You may as well start complaining about Bush or Reagan at this point. Your guy was given the ball and both his domestic and foreign policy are total and complete shit and there is little to no chance it's going to turn around for him at this point. I don't know how he can screw up even more, maybe start sniffing kids on video again or shitting his pants during the State of the Union.

 

[draggs]

I think HHH is absolutely right about this, which is why it helps to have dissenting opinions in this thread, so it doesn't devolve into a circle-jerk. NATO has been encroaching on Russia for a while and I think the Ukraine's NATO overtures are more-or-less administration independent. Let's say this happened under Trump, his options are:

1) Sanction Russia - lol, they're already sanctioned.
2) Start a conflict that has the potential to escalate to WWIII
3) Do nothing and let Russia have eastern Ukraine

These are essentially the same options Biden has. I think it's pretty obvious both administrations would pick option 3. Even a Jeb Bush administration would pick option 3. Maybe Hillary Clinton would've picked option 2 but that would've only been to sacrifice millions of children to Moloch, not because it was a sound foreign policy decision.

Option 3 is the only option because Americans don't want to be the world police anymore.

Uh no there's option 4, make Russia think option 2 will happen if they invade so they don't want to invade

That's the option that was operative for four years. That was also how it was for the Cold War

Russia seriously wanted the US out of Syria but didn't do shit about it because they didn't want to get in a chest to chest confrontation with Trump. Russia knows Biden will flail about doing nothing of consequence that Russia would be forced to care about. They didn't like the US but they respected it under Trump, they neither like nor respect the US today

 

[Observotron]

There is nothing he can do when the situation has already arrived to this point. If Trump were in this position right now, there’s nothing he would be able to do either. Biden’s job was to make sure that things never escalated to this level at all - he already failed the moment those Russian tanks rolled across the Ukrainian border, everything he does from this point forward is at best damage control, at worst pouring more fuel on the fire.

We can talk “what would Trump do” all we want, but the reality of the matter is that during the 4 years he was in office, Russia didn’t invade Ukraine. Don’t you think Putin might’ve wanted to do something this big when he had a subservient puppet in the White House who he knew would bluster on Twitter but never retaliate in any way, given that he’s a Russian puppet who takes orders from Putin anyways?

I have similar opinions. I'll be the first to dunk on Biden, but there's not anything he really can or should do. The only thing, in my opinion, which could have prevented this would be to have had American/NATO forces in Ukraine before this happened. That said, it's evident they didn't want to prevent this given the weeks long warnings we had.

 

[What the shit]

I doubt Russia would go Nuclear War.

Well you never know especially when he can press the red button at any moment. Nothing is really stopping him unless the people with the keys hesitate to do so.

 

[WutangLee]

For those wondering, the entire Ukrainian Navy is like 1 Corvette; 1 Frigate and like 20 patrol boats. The fucking U.S. coast guard could've sunk it in less than an hour.

 

[Simpadoo]

The joke stopped being funny after the first three or four times.

And it’s getting more real as time goes by.