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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Anyone ready to be drafted for a politician’s interests in Ukraine, because I sure as hell ain’t
Lol I am not fighting for this fucking country as it currently stands. A Russian invasion sounds more like a liberation at this point.

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Drafting age is 18-25. I'm 28. Damn it feels good to be a gangster

I’m in that age group and I recently beat obesity
One of the reasons the age to vote is 18, is due to American's elected representatives getting us into foreign wars and always needing more meat for the grinder. It only took from the Civil War to Vietnam and the Civil Rights movement to convince Congress that if you can be drafted to go die at 18, you're old enough to vote at 18; it used to be higher, and lowered when they needed more bodies. What I'm trying to say is, historically, when Congress didn't get enough sacrifices, they'd broaden the scope of applicable victims. You're out of scope for now, but God forbid crazy shit kicks off, you might find yourself in zone.
 
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It's actually up to 35 if an enhanced draft is determined to be in the nation's strategic interest.

Checkmate grandpa.
Iunno what they're expecting from me over 25. I'm just gonna complain the whole time until I inevitably bust my ACL, get sent home with a purple heart and then tell everyone I was a big credit to my squad while hitting on waitresses at Hooters.
 
Iunno what they're expecting from me over 25. I'm just gonna complain the whole time until I inevitably bust my ACL, get sent home with a purple heart and then tell everyone I was a big credit to my squad while hitting on waitresses at Hooters.

Put in the reserves? Or if some LGBTQ+ are too precious to sacrifice, or if the younger ones run due to PTSD you're up?

See you bastards in Hell!
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Theme of this guy

Taiwan was never held by the Communists. It has been Nationalist Chinese ever since the Han Chinese colonized it at the expense of the Aboriginals.
Maybe back to Japan?
 
Putin isn’t going to attack actual NATO states. He doesn’t have the men or the money for it, and it would almost certainly escalate to a nuclear exchange. You can clearly see that his strategy for Ukraine is a quick, decisive war to put a puppet regime in power and annex a few chunks. He doesn’t want a drawn out bloody slog.
I think it's up in the air whether he can achieve that, the reality is while Ukraine is overmatched in the Air and at Sea, the fact they are fighting a defensive war means that on the ground they are not completely outmatched. Yes, their tanks and mobility will be constrained, but as we have already seen manpads can down attack helicopters - and with less regularity they can also do this to fast-jets - and shoulder fired anti-tank weaponry can be lethal - and against heavier tanks at least score a mission kill by making them U/S. If the Ukrainians can slow them down and hold out in the first instance and devolve this into a war of attrition they might win, or at the very least not lose. If casaulties start mounting, and their hardware starts getting trashed, then we will see how long Russia will want to remain fighting for what? A economic backwater?

Further to this, I fail to see what Putin hopes to achieve. He is almost universally reviled in the vast majority of the Ukraine, and the proliferation of arms and ammunition (and large border with Poland and the black sea which can be used to supply insurgents) would make holding Ukraine in the face of insurgents nigh on impossible in the long run. It would be like 1980's Afghanistan on steroids, and we're not talking about the USSR, but instead the rump of the USSR, and these insurgents are going to have better and closer ties to the West. That war in the 1980's was a major factor in the fall of the USSR, so is Putin really going to be able to achieve in Ukraine what has failed elsewhere?

Putin could easily have peeled off Luhansk and Donetsk, I think all of Ukraine is too big for him to take and hold. Any puppet regime will require his intervention to prevent being toppled.

Finally, the reports on the ground are patchy - unless the most triumphant Russian propaganda is true, this has not been the sort of success you would expect from a military on par with Western forces. Example: Desert Storm 1. The US and Allies took on nation with a far better, much more integrated - not even accounting for the 30 years difference - air defence system which Saddam Hussein's Iraq had, and they did not do this on their doorstep but on the other side of the planet. The air bombardment was far more effective, and once the Allies crossed the line of departure the sort of losses the Russians are having - if these videos I have seen are to be believed - were almost never seen by the Allies, who only lost around 150 soldiers to enemy action. So while I highly doubt NATO will be tangling with the Russians, if they did I wouldn't be too worried about the outcome, unless Putin wanted to rage quit with nuclear weapons.
 
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If there's a draft I'm going to do my hardest to dodge it by claiming I'm a Jew and sending me overseas in the draft would be like 6 millioning me. If that doesn't work and they still send me over, first chance I get I'm defecting and joining Papa Putin.
 
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Update on the situation, from what I hear from people the Ukranians and reading in various sources, the Ukranians are holding the Donbass front relatively well though it's in a state of chaos. The southern front with Crimea has somewhat collapsed but the Russians don't have enough to exploit it maybe. People are leaving to the western cities en masse. Dunno whats happening in the north more than whats been said in mass media.
 
If there's a draft I'm going to do my hardest to dodge it by claiming I'm a Jew and sending me overseas in the draft would be like 6 millioning me. If that does work and they still send me over, first chance I get I'm defecting and joining Papa Putin.
Say you hate fags, troons, and niggers and will refuse to take orders from them. The draft board will kick you back right quick.
 
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