Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%

  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%

  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%

  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%
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Matt Damon said:
From the stats I've seen, that's not really the case - ubiquity of guns is neither positively nor negatively correlated with gun crime/murders. The things that are correlated (and this holds worldwide, not in any one country) are:

1, Big wealth disparities within a geographic region
2. Niggers, anywhere in the world

100% serious.
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My understanding is that most of the stats they put out on this subject, and especially what's allowed to be visible on mainstream search engines, just make no sense, like BS stats. For example they'll write an article about how common gun ownership makes gun crimes more common; well duh, but how is other stuff like knife crime affected?

It is really hard to make apples-to-apples comparisons between different jurisdictions, but I think it has been generally shown in various jurisdictions that when gun rights are strengthened, crime rates go down; when gun rights are infringed, crime rates go up. Just look at certain areas like Chicago that have become increasingly restrictive. On a national level, you can also glean certain info from historical Brazil data. Your two points are right as the main factors, but there should still be a significant effect on firearms ownership on crime rate even if you control the two factors you mention.
 
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Hackallier said:
Nigger, that's what conscription does. That is called mobilizing the reserve. Not volksturm.
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Where I come from, anyone above 30 would be considered to be in the "secondary reserve", unless they are officers or NCOs.

This is what you draw manpower from when you are forced to scrape the barrel.

Most of these guys probably have some military experience, but so did the Volkssturm. Plenty of them were WW1 veterans.

It's more of a meme relating to their gear and outlook.
 
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I just realised something about this clownworld.
we could see Russian soldiers getting curbstombed by the Major of Kiev and his brother. they are both former world champions in boxing...
 
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Richardface said:
They're yet to commit half their battalion tactical groups apparently. Not sure what they're waiting for, there's that one theory they were going to let the Ukies concentrate against the forces they did deploy and then let the hulkamania run wild once Ukie troops were locked into combat, or maybe they're going to use them as replacements so increasingly tired and run down Ukie combat units are always facing fresh Russian troops? But generally not sure why they are both trying to seemingly blitz Kiev but also only committing half their total available forces.
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To add to this, they might try an opportunistic probing attack against Kiev, to see what gives now that the Ukrainians are still by in large unprepared and not dug in. Maybe they find the resistance relatively weak, in which case they'd get a huge win if they could just shock take the city now. Alternatively, they'll find more stiff resistance, in which case they might wait for the troops on the eastern (and maybe southern) side(s) and encricle the city.

Hey, no harm in trying, right?
 
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verissimus said:
...ok but how does Putin intend to permanently keep whatever he supposedly wants?

If he wants to get rid of Zelensky, what's to stop his successor from getting ousted immediately? Do the Russians intend to re-install or replace any puppet they put in place?

If he wants just the eastern half of the Ukraine, does he intend to keep an occupying force there and either annex that territory outright or form an Eastern Ukrainian state with its own leader? If so, he's going to have to keep troops there to prop up the new state.

This is what I don't get. What's the long-term strategy here? Do the Russians really intend to essentially occupy all of or part of the Ukraine for the next decade or two?
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Strix454 said:
The Eastern half of Ukraine can take care of itself. The population there is generally loyal to the Russian government and will not cause them any problems. They already have
their own leadership (such as it is). I would guess that they will go with model of nominal independence but close alliance for the breakaway republics from Ukraine.

Nobody gets what the Russians intentions are or what the plan is. Territorially, they already had everything they wanted from Ukraine before the fighting started. They
can replace the government, but it will be an unpopular government and unstable. They will also be stuck paying Ukraine's bills.

They could also be really ambitious and try to annex the whole of Ukraine. But that seems too ambitious.

The best theory I've seen is that Ukraine is being taught a lesson along the same lines that Georgia was taught a lesson for flirting with NATO and the EU in 2008.
That its a form of shock therapy to show the people who run Ukraine the reality of their situation.

But its only theory. We will only really know what they intend probably after they take the capital.
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Probably something like this:

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Red areas essentially are allowed to govern themselves, but assuming that the Ukrainians put up enough of a fight to preclude the entire country falling or the US/Europe dumping enough advanced weaponry/glowies into Western Ukraine, I could see Putin also focusing on the entire northeastern part of the country + the areas around Kiev (due to its historical importance in the Russian triune of Russia, Belarus, and Kiev).

The latter areas could be placed under Moscow & military control to ensure a more direct administration & control in case things get unruly.
 
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