Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

How well is the combat this going for Russia?

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ Blyatskrieg

    Votes: 46 6.6%

  • ⭐⭐⭐⭐ A well planned strike with few faults

    Votes: 45 6.5%

  • ⭐⭐⭐ Competent attack with some upsets

    Votes: 292 42.1%

  • ⭐⭐ Worse than expected

    Votes: 269 38.8%

  • ⭐ Ukraine takes back Crimea 2022

    Votes: 42 6.1%
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Mr Bunny said:
Trying to win heart and minds? Their forces are gonna have to stick around as "peace keepers" after all.
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For all his calculations Putin couldn't be sure NATO wouldn't go insane and counterattack, so he has to keep forces in reserve to make that a bad idea.

Unloading *everything* on Ukraine and having Poland roll into Moscow for the memes would be funny, but Putin would likely disagree.
 
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Wy4M said:
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The US embassy in Kiev tweeted this. You would think it's a /pol/ meme.

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Yes! Because ukraine is russia! History lessons up until mongol invasion are about Kiev kingdom. Later city lost its importance until some point however they always had good university and generally was important cultural center. Hate and infighting started at 16-17 century, it is nothing new, however not it is mostly government trying to fuck eachother, civilians usually are friendly.
 
Saleh said:
People, why do you think Putin is not utilizing all his military advantages?

It's kind of surreal seeing that the Russians are limiting themselves considering that they are betting their own future on this war
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They aren't betting their future on this war which is why they haven't gone all in. It's a statement to the world. They can do what the US did on desert storm in less time, with less men, with less civilian casualties to an enemy that wasn't the middle east.

Russia doesn't need to risk anymore than they are doing, it's looking and sounding like they're about to win and it took 36-48 hours. What would sending in more assets do?
 
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The Bovinian Derivative said:
Is there a valid reason to do this? I am not a general, not even an armchair one, but I think overwhelming them with everything quickly would be the way to go.
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Imo that also means you put everything on the table at once and you are much more susceptible to mistakes/enemy surprises. Using small forces you can execute fairly accurate attacks and send in occupation troops later.
 
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Toothpaste said:
Looks like this one guy has been completely out of control. Here he is driving on the pavement of an apartment building, while the residents are praying that he doesn't squash any of their cars.


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One of the worst things about war, if not the worst, is the reality that any sick people on either side will take advantage of the chaos to indulge in murderous and sick behavior (that 2nd video? I wonder if Mr Squishy is cruising for civilians to run over with his tank...)
 
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My intuition right now tells me there's truth to the general idea that "Ukranians are resisting the invasion better than expected" but the exact extent of their performance vs expectations is muddied by the fact that wartime propaganda is driving this idea everywhere on the internet. I've seen certain types of people, particularly redditor libtards, talk about how Russia is inevitably going to turn on Putin and pull a Saddam/Gaddafi/Hitler/Voldemort/Thanos on him because of how Ukranians-Hogwarts-Rebel Alliance-Folx have been valiantly resisting so well that the costs for Putin will be too high and obviously that's wishcasting.

See: https://twitter.com/AstorAaron/status/1497042895353917468

>Nobody is saying this, but I will: This war will end in regime change - in Moscow. It won't be from an external military invasion into Russia. It will be mutiny and internal collapse that will bring Putin's regime down. It won't be overnight but it will happen.

tons of boomerlibs circlejerking in the comments and quote tweets

DNC NPCs tend to be consistently wrong in major ways, so I personally have a hunch that while Ukranians are boldly resisting, it's really not going to go well for them and Russia probably won't pay anywhere near the price that shitlibs are yearning for.

edit: note I recall Aaron Astor as a twitter shitlib partisan hack who has done things like defend Cuomo's nursing home policy, keep that in mind for context
 
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Su-27 Flanker-B said:
Imo that also means you put everything on the table at once and you are much more susceptible to mistakes/enemy surprises. Using small forces you can execute fairly accurate attacks and send in occupation troops later.
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Also it's been clear since before the start that Putin does NOT want to occupy all of Ukraine - maybe a part but mostly just wants a government that is clearly Russia-aligned.
 
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My Earnest Opinions said:
My intuition right now tells me there's truth to the general idea that "Ukranians are resisting the invasion better than expected" but the exact extent of their performance vs expectations is muddied by the fact that wartime propaganda is driving this idea everywhere on the internet. I've seen certain types of people, particularly redditor libtards, talk about how Russia is inevitably going to turn on Putin and pull a Saddam/Gaddafi/Hitler/Voldemort/Thanos on him because of how Ukranians-Hogwarts-Rebel Alliance-Folx have been valiantly resisting so well that the costs for Putin will be too high and obviously that's wishcasting.

See: https://twitter.com/AstorAaron/status/1497042895353917468

>Nobody is saying this, but I will: This war will end in regime change - in Moscow. It won't be from an external military invasion into Russia. It will be mutiny and internal collapse that will bring Putin's regime down. It won't be overnight but it will happen.

tons of boomerlibs circlejerking in the comments and quote tweets

DNC NPCs tend to be consistently wrong in major ways, so I personally have a hunch that while Ukranians are boldly resisting, it's really not going to go well for them and Russia probably won't pay anywhere near the price that shitlibs are yearning for.
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Lmao Russia doesn't work like that.
 
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Meat Target said:
Who knows the difference, other than Slavs? My Amerimutt ears only hear the same drunken gargling.
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Prushiki nahoy, davai? Globnost voyrody vinitchki temry zumat, ist zumat razbol ucraina. Russiya vernotz pereyik tenechiya. Davai, davai.

Convert this to Cyrillic and read it using only your lips and front teeth, and you'll be speaking Slavic.
 
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The Russians have secured the bridge into Antonivka and are advancing into the town.

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"After fierce fighting on the approaches to Kherson, despite the efforts of the Ukrainian army, lost control over the crossing to Kherson - Antonovsky bridge. The enemy with significant forces, but with great losses, overcame the defense of the city. Informs the head of the Kherson regional state administration."

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"DOD: As we see it right now, Ukrainian command and control is intact. General sense from what the US is seeing is Russia is not moving as fast on Kyiv as expected."

I'm inclined to agree but it's not exactly a helpful statement to make atm.

BradCarter said:
Russia declared there would be no ceasefire issued for peace negotiations
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Any source for this?
 
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Strix454 said:
Those loss numbers for Stalingrad are garbage. They are generated by considering every single battle and every single death during the entire 1942 German offensive in Southern Russia as part of "battle of Stalingrad". People who died hundreds of miles away from the city of Stalingrad were considered "deaths" in the "battle of Stalingrad".
After the war was over, the Russians decided that Stalingrad had to be the biggest battle in all history and played with the scope of the battle to increase the casualty numbers until it was.
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Regardless, the Russians still lost more than 1,000 people a day in that time period.
 
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