Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[mrpatapon]

So everyone on reddit and on social media is saying they support Ukraine, and that Putin is evil and greedy and blah blah blah. And I am not going to say that Putin is a humane or moral leader, I'm no Russophile. If I'm being honest though, I'm having trouble seeing the Russians as the "bad guys" in this situation.

Here's an analogy: Imagine if Russia tried to make Mexico a close ally by propping up their government and trying to convince Mexico to join an alliance with Russia and China. Then America retaliated by invading Mexico to remove the Mexican government in response. Of course the situation would be very unfortunate for the citizens of Mexico caught in the crossfire, but would America really be the bad guy in protecting their self interests in such a scenario?

That's basically how I see the Ukraine situation. If there's a "good guy" here it's the citizens of Ukraine who are in this situation largely through no fault of their own. Everything else is just strategic arguments between NATO and Russia over who gets to add the area to their sphere of influence. And again I'm no Russophile but in this specific case I think NATO pushed a bit too far, and Ukraine dun goofed by entertaining NATO too much.

That and the fact that the USA has been repeatedly antagonizing Russia, demonizing them as the great enemy like its the Cold War again, and refusing to engage in any meaningful diplomacy with Russia.

This article from Richard Hanania's substack explains it best, Russia is the "Great Satan" in the imagination of liberals.

I would also like everyone to watch that video from Glenn Greenwald again, since he does a really good job at explaining how the Biden Administration got everyone into this mess by refusing to negotiate or cooperate with Russia in any meaningful way, branding anyone who dares suggest diplomacy with Russia as a "traitor", "coward", "Kremlin Agent", etc. (skip to 23:00 and 29:50)

(skip to 55:00)
Also there's the fact the the Biden and friends have been engaging in a lot of corrupt deals with the Ukraine and are very involved with Ukrainian politics to the point that they can decide who gets to be the new Ukrainian govt.

TLR Biden and friends are just as guilty as Putin in starting this war.

 

[RandomTwitterGuy]

Another day went.

More dead.
Tomorrow i will drink and work and hope i can ignore it.

 

[Oxous]

The USSR wouldn't of joined in during its creation if it wasn't for that, it'd just be a tool for the US, France and Britain to use against it.

Sounds right but at the end of the day the UN is still a gay nigger organization.

 

[Strix454]

I've never understood why the UN allows countries with veto power to veto condemnations against them. Like, what do you think is going to happen? More proof the UN is gay as fuck.

The UN was designed to be mechanism to avoid wars at all costs. The system is designed such that if you want to take big actions like war with UN approval, that you have to
have a consensus of all the important countries at the UN. The thinking was that if you allowed anything else, you would fall into the problems from the old days where
small conflicts would lead to big wars between rival blocs of nations.

But it doesn't really mean anything, because there is a "regional defense organization" loophole in the UN charter that will basically allow NATO to do anything it wants
to do up to going to war with Russia as long as the conflict is in the European area. Its the same loophole that was used in places like Serbia and Libya in the past.

 

[Manly_Brony]

Isn't their very presence an anchor for the Russian push anyway? Once they secured the lands in between, they can probably just use these guys for garrison duties.

I mainly mean take territory, so that if Russia takes Ukraine to talks they could claim to be an actual country despite just being a fucking sliver of Moldova.

I was mistaken, the Russians have an unknown number of units there (peacekeeping and guarding an arms depot) who could join up with whatever Transnistria could field and attack Odessa from the rear. But I need further explanation from you about the situation in that part of the former USSR. All I know is that it's some kind of poor, gloomy, Sovietpunkish, Putinite unrecognized republic, Moldova wants it and Romania wants Moldova.

 

[Toothpaste]

Surprised that there have been no sanctions against Belarus, even though the Russian attack on Kiev came from Belarusian territory.

That's like Russia attacking the USA through Mexico and everyone saying that the Mexicans "Dindu nuffin!"

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Sirens on the live stream, Vnimaniye, vnimaniye stop driving around town.

 

[naffatune]

Here's a vid of two guys on a street during the gunfight there. They're most likely soldiers given that they weren't running away. Looks like one of them died (@Caucasuswar)

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Two Russians (who are apparently saboteurs) receive medical treatment after facing Ukrainian troops. It's very likely that they're the same guys in the video posted in the quote above (@Caucasuswar)

 

[K-Hole]

 

[Emperor Pupienus]

You only need water if you want to heat it up, and for the drink (which you need some kind of water anyway). MREs are otherwise ready to eat. You also need a lot less water. You can probably get away with with 1 qt of water per pound of pasta but it will be disgusting. The minimum is 4 qts per pound for the right texture. The water is salty and goes to waste after, though I suppose you could boil with fresh water and drink it after (it will be starchy and disgusting), but again your pasta will be subpar.

This is generally brought up in the context of fancy bougie shit, but I imagine it could actually be useful in a possible SHTF situation lol.

There is a method of cooking pasta called "Pasta Risottata," where you employ similar techniques to how one would cook a risotto, i.e. slowly adding small amounts of water in many stages as the water is absorbed. It would probably be easiest with the types of pasta that have many small pieces like rice, for example "orzo," which is basically rice-simulator pasta, but hypothetically it should be possible with any pasta type. This technique would minimize water usage, compared to something foolish like filling up a whole pot with bottled water or whatever.

 

[Jet Fuel Johnny]

Never heard of this weapon before?
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Anyone point me to where it was used before?
Apparently Russia is prepared to use.

OK, the wars you want to look up are:

WW2.
Korea
Vietnam
Afghanistan (Invasion by Russia as well as US)
Just Cause
Desert Storm
Iraqi Freedom

There's examples in there of this weapon being used.

 

[Toothpaste]

Two Russians (who are apparently saboteurs) receive medical treatment after facing Ukrainian troops. It's very likely that they're the same guys in the video posted in the quote above (@Caucasuswar)

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Or, more likely, they've accidentally shot some of their own guys in confusion,

 

[Calvin Coolidge]

How that's relevant to ukrainan economy? Do you know that recent increase in Ukrainan GDP is due to development of agricultural companies, not sucking dicks?

Are you sure? Sucking dick seems to be quite the national pastime.

 

[Very_sad_man]

Surprised that there have been no sanctions against Belarus, even though the Russian attack on Kiev came from Belarusian territory.

Any idea why?

 

[Hackallier]

Two Russians (who are apparently saboteurs) receive medical treatment after facing Ukrainian troops. It's very likely that they're the same guys in the video posted in the quote above (@Caucasuswar)

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I'm really pressing x on this whole saboteur stuff. They have been finding them the whole day. It's just paranoid retards.

 

[George Lucas]

Did you look at the numbers? its practically as big as our supercarriers and bigger than anything the soviets or the russians ever made. And they don't need nuclear power to get to Taiwan its right there.

As for the J-20 its already using domestic engines, same engines all the glowie "intel" said they would never get to work. They no longer depend on the russians, they were able to get their own stealth fighter when russians can't even get the wing panels to fit properly on the Su-57.

So far they are the only other country beside us to have an operational 5th gen fighter of their own design.

Again, ignore and cope at your own peril. 30 years ago China wasn't shit, their industry wasn't shit. Now they own $1.1 trillion of our debt and most of our factories are there, so much that when the coof hit we couldn't get N95 mask from our own 3M factories there because beijing decided they needed it more.

All I’ll say about this is there is a lot more to war than just what pieces you’re using.

 

[Ira the Weatherman]

The amount of resources and effort that Russia has put in to the invasion not to mention the aftermath with sacntions and ill will, this is undoubtedly a loss.

It depends on the point of view. Clearly Putin is looking at it from a geopolitical angle, he thinks that securing Ukraine as a neutral and neutered buffer state is important enough to warrant a pre-emptive invasion, and he's hardly an idiot. From an economic perspective, the sanctions are likely to leave a mark on Russia for the oncoming years. The 2014 sanctions definitely left theirs.

 

[Jarolleon]

No.

This isn't a video game.
You don't lose a round and start again.

Capitulating prematurely means Russia dismantling and disbanding the Ukrainian military, confiscating their heavy (if not all) weapons, replacing the leadership if not just subordinating the country to Russia, thousands of people becoming POWs, imprisoned, or killed, kangaroo courts for alleged genocide, and decades of vassal statehood with no legal recourse internationally.

Make no mistake, Ukrainians are fighting for their future as an independent nation at this point.

Is the plan to make it like the American Civil War where even if they lose the victors will respect them & show mercy to avoid having to fight them again?

 

[WaveBreak]

Frankly Ukraine will never join NATO. If Russia does not outright annex the country this time around and leaves a puppet state, all that means is that 10-15 years from now this cycle is going to repeat but Ukraine in the meantime will be a weak disarmed kleptocracy like Belarus and fold even faster, I feel bad for UKR bros but much like Canada, its a country that due to geography will never be completely free to self determination.

The leader after putin won’t be putin

 

[LaxerBRO]

The abstention is quite interesting. China I expected, but India and UAE too?

China and India. Don't know the third.