What do you think happens after we die?
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If the region of your brain that controls vision is destroyed, you can no longer see.
If the region of your brain that controls hearing is destroyed, you can no longer hear.
If the brain is destroyed, so are you.
If the region of your brain that controls hearing is destroyed, you can no longer hear.
If the brain is destroyed, so are you.
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Shpongoolio Trismegistus
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Have you ever heard of biocentrism? Tldr version it's a mix of the multiverse theory, the laws of matter, and the belief that consciousness survives physical death by recreating reality free from the limitations of our bodies.
Frankly I like it a LOT more than the nihilistic idea that death is a black void devoid of all feeling or memory. That kinda death? Scares the hell outta me.
Frankly I like it a LOT more than the nihilistic idea that death is a black void devoid of all feeling or memory. That kinda death? Scares the hell outta me.
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Every time you fall asleep your consciousness dies, the you that perceives things is turned off and is not the same you when waking up. They may have your memories, they may think they are you, they even remember a dream, it's not the same consciousness that was from yesterday. Every time you sleep there is a little death, and when you open your eyes a rebirth. The dreams maintain the illusion of you being the same person,
NDEs paint the picture that some level of consciousness persists after clinical death. Ideally you will experience cosmic type visions, then slow and comfortable reunification with the absolute/true self.
Best case scenario would be you get the choice to be reborn in a new, contemporaneous human body. Clinical data is somewhat promising here https://med.virginia.edu/perceptual...ildren-who-report-memories-of-previous-lives/
There will be no afterlife, other than possible reunification with the absolute/true self. This will be something like embodying every child molester/saint/animal/atom that his ever existed, with a trillion trillion or infinite universes exploding into being and dying in less than an instant. It will also probably feel like experiencing nothing.
I'm about 50/50 on all this.
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I love how threads that ask "what happens when you die," can have either long valid even eloquent points in favor of a wide range of possibilities, ranging from the christian heaven and hell to a new age or scientific version of being reincarnated... And then you get posts that say, you poop yourself.
But you know...one thing is always for certain, wether your a fundie who believes any day now the bodies of the chosen living and the saved dead will float up through the sky to spend the next 7 years safe from a great battle for the planet between the forces of good and evil.
Or a total there's no God, afterlife or anything nihilistic atheist who believes the "Rick and Morty or Bojack horseman saying on what death is. Nobody and I mean nobody knows for absolute certainty what lies beyond the mortal veil.
Not even those who've made the trip very briefly only to come back to us and claim to have seen either a glorious heaven or empty black void. For all they know what they saw could be what the mind wants to believe the end is.
But then again that doesn't make it any less real...does it?
But you know...one thing is always for certain, wether your a fundie who believes any day now the bodies of the chosen living and the saved dead will float up through the sky to spend the next 7 years safe from a great battle for the planet between the forces of good and evil.
Or a total there's no God, afterlife or anything nihilistic atheist who believes the "Rick and Morty or Bojack horseman saying on what death is. Nobody and I mean nobody knows for absolute certainty what lies beyond the mortal veil.
Not even those who've made the trip very briefly only to come back to us and claim to have seen either a glorious heaven or empty black void. For all they know what they saw could be what the mind wants to believe the end is.
But then again that doesn't make it any less real...does it?
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Those of us that remained true in this uncertain world of ours will be carried into The Kingdom of God. We'll have all the wood we want, and
the bedsheets will be made of Egyptian Cotton and our skin will never bruise or blemish and we'll be alright.
the bedsheets will be made of Egyptian Cotton and our skin will never bruise or blemish and we'll be alright.
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Nothing, for all of eternity.
I can see how that notion terrifies people, or that it somehow goes against an immature comprehension of God or religion.
You should view this fact as a gift and a catalyst.
I can see how that notion terrifies people, or that it somehow goes against an immature comprehension of God or religion.
You should view this fact as a gift and a catalyst.
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Not at all. Just the fact that you exist as separate from just being a biological machine shows that it's likely there's more than this. Materialists have no explanation for how putting a bunch of neurons in one place magically makes something capable of creation or with qualia. Of course, no ideology will ever have explanation for everything. Which, if you ask me is probably deliberately designed to be so.
Though I was thinking about this more, and I wanted to continue with some new viewpoints I've gathered since I last posted.
Dualism states that the mind is separable from the body as a soul, materialism states that the mind is created by the brain functioning as normal. Both of these explanations have glaring issues. For Dualism, when is it that a function of the mind is part of the brain and when is it that it's your soul, or for materialism, how exactly does the brain generate qualia or allow for original creation. And if materialism is the case, then how is it still possible to easily argue for Descartes' idea of animals being nothing but biological machines working off of reflex and instinct. Shouldn't they be like us, but lesser?
Well, what I propose is that your qualia, your being is like a soul, and will continue on past this realm of existence. But everything that makes you into you is part of your brain. Allow me to explain:
We have a man named John Doe. He has hobbies, a personality, family, etc. When he dies. He dies. John Doe is destroyed. However, the being that controlled John Doe will never die and is eternal. Presumeably that being could recreate John Doe as a vehicle to control again. But for now, John Doe is just a recollection of events. Everything that made John who he is, was his brain and how it worked.
Basically, your brain and body and their function is instrumental to your personality and being in this world, but your qualia is separable from that. It's why brain damage can impair you beyond any logical reasoning, yet someone with half a brain doesn't have any less qualia than someone with a full brain. And is also how animals with larger brains than ourselves aren't showing any definitive signs of sapience either.
Anyways, without a brain, you can't think, right? So how would you think and be able to create without a brain? Simple, your brain allows you to have a permanence of thought within this reality where time is a factor. You see, at any given point in the present you are having a coherent thought, but in order to function in this world you need to be able to retain that. It's why Alzheimers patients are still able to do some things and exist as somewhat of a human despite being practically non functional. At any given point in the present they have a totally coherent thought in their head, but their brain is ill-equipped to retain that thought to any point where it could be used or acted upon and thus they become non functional.
It means that when there isn't time anymore, when you aren't in this reality, you don't need a brain to think because there's no longer a requirement for any permanence of thought. This hypothesis goes into my previous statement of dualism combined with materialism by saying that the ability to think like we do originates from our soul but the reason why we can then measure and quantify that in your brain is because the brain is responsible for retaining that thought and allowing you to act upon it and work on that thought within this reality where time continually moves around us.
Think of the brain as being like some kind of translator or set of tools allowing us to operate within a reality where time is a fundamental mechanic. Like a hazard suit or something, I guess.
Well, what I propose is that your qualia, your being is like a soul, and will continue on past this realm of existence. But everything that makes you into you is part of your brain. Allow me to explain:
We have a man named John Doe. He has hobbies, a personality, family, etc. When he dies. He dies. John Doe is destroyed. However, the being that controlled John Doe will never die and is eternal. Presumeably that being could recreate John Doe as a vehicle to control again. But for now, John Doe is just a recollection of events. Everything that made John who he is, was his brain and how it worked.
Basically, your brain and body and their function is instrumental to your personality and being in this world, but your qualia is separable from that. It's why brain damage can impair you beyond any logical reasoning, yet someone with half a brain doesn't have any less qualia than someone with a full brain. And is also how animals with larger brains than ourselves aren't showing any definitive signs of sapience either.
Anyways, without a brain, you can't think, right? So how would you think and be able to create without a brain? Simple, your brain allows you to have a permanence of thought within this reality where time is a factor. You see, at any given point in the present you are having a coherent thought, but in order to function in this world you need to be able to retain that. It's why Alzheimers patients are still able to do some things and exist as somewhat of a human despite being practically non functional. At any given point in the present they have a totally coherent thought in their head, but their brain is ill-equipped to retain that thought to any point where it could be used or acted upon and thus they become non functional.
It means that when there isn't time anymore, when you aren't in this reality, you don't need a brain to think because there's no longer a requirement for any permanence of thought. This hypothesis goes into my previous statement of dualism combined with materialism by saying that the ability to think like we do originates from our soul but the reason why we can then measure and quantify that in your brain is because the brain is responsible for retaining that thought and allowing you to act upon it and work on that thought within this reality where time continually moves around us.
Think of the brain as being like some kind of translator or set of tools allowing us to operate within a reality where time is a fundamental mechanic. Like a hazard suit or something, I guess.
TL;DR: Your brain doesn't do your thinking, but it allows you to retain thought such that you can operate in this reality where time exists. And your brain is 100% responsible for who you are and how you act (Materialism), but is not responsible for your existence (Dualism).
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Groon
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It's scary. A disturbed mind probably will create a messed up reality. That can be worse than "the black void" death.
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I think something happens, I do not believe it's possible for your consciousness to just vanish, the fact that you're here now thinking means that can't just be turned off.
I think that at the very least you experience a dream that to you lasts forever, like a biological afterlife, or simply your life starts over from the beginning somehow, there could never be a time in which your consciousness is permanently not experiencing consciousness, you could only ever perceive being alive, not dead.
I think when we dream we're already visiting the afterlife, I've had some visitations from an uncle who died in 2017 that felt eerily real.
I think that at the very least you experience a dream that to you lasts forever, like a biological afterlife, or simply your life starts over from the beginning somehow, there could never be a time in which your consciousness is permanently not experiencing consciousness, you could only ever perceive being alive, not dead.
I think when we dream we're already visiting the afterlife, I've had some visitations from an uncle who died in 2017 that felt eerily real.
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If the news is to be believed then some pervert is going to fuck my corpse at the morgue.
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my children will fight over money and items i owned while living. then they die and the cycle repeats
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This nihilistic idea, as you describe it, isn't accurate. Death is the cessation of sensation, whereas a black void implies the continuity of sensation at some level.
I don't particularly like it, because I'm pretty good at experiencing things and I'd prefer to continue doing it if at all possible, but there's a certain comfort in the realisation that it will be senseless. It's like falling into a dreamless sleep and just not waking up again.
I'd also be wary of placing my faith in anything written on a site whose domain is "edgy.app".
But ignoring that, they do discuss ideas that have been explored by such luminaries as C S Lewis, who was convinced that reason was a foundational aspect of the universe. The idea that consciousness exists apart from crude matter is not a new one.
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I have a theory involving the conscience, of which being that when the body can no longer support the consciousness the conscience will loop back to your first moment of consciousness. Thus when you die you repeat your live all over all over again. You will however lose all memories of your last go at your life and repeat it none the wiser (barring the course of your environment it likely to play out exactly the same to the letter). A Purgatory of your own device for many, a Hell for others.
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i believe in the soul, im damn near sure i have a soul and for some reason it ended up in this body.
think about it? im here, typing out this message to you guys on kiwifarms.
why was i born in the year i was born in, in the country i was born in, go to the school i went to, why are my parents, my parents?
why wasnt i born in another year, to different parents, in a different location?
im michael janke, on kiwifarms
i could have been born 100 years ago in a rice paddy of asia and never even know what a kiwi is.
i think my soul goes somewhere, where, i dont know. where souls are made.
think about it? im here, typing out this message to you guys on kiwifarms.
why was i born in the year i was born in, in the country i was born in, go to the school i went to, why are my parents, my parents?
why wasnt i born in another year, to different parents, in a different location?
im michael janke, on kiwifarms
i could have been born 100 years ago in a rice paddy of asia and never even know what a kiwi is.
i think my soul goes somewhere, where, i dont know. where souls are made.