Russian Invasion of Ukraine (2022): Thread 1 - Ukrainian Liars vs Russian Liars with Air and Artillery Superiority

[God of Nothing]

You don't negotiate with people who have already made up their minds that they're gonna kill you.

...You do realize most soldiers don't want to kill civilians unless there's a significant amount of bad blood between one people to another, right? A large amount of Ukraine's population is Russian. The reason why they're there isn't really something of interest to the Russian people rather than the powers that be.
They will make up their minds if the molotovs start dropping in significant enough numbers, though.

 

[BeautifulCancer]

The Ukraine account quoted Anonymous and used a fist emoji, What a time to be alive.
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Fucking die. This is "Yaaaaas qweeen" type of shit

 

[Mr Bunny]

You don't negotiate with people who have already made up their minds that they're gonna kill you.

We've literally seen the Russians leaving the civvies well enough alone why the fuck are you pushing for them green light to attack indiscriminate.

 

[Beautiful Loser]

Kiev ambiance.

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Some fitting consoomer ambience.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

I guess losing FDR and Churchill being a drunk and I don’t know much about the french leadership so can’t say much there they really didn’t worry about it

 

[Very_sad_man]

The reason given for this was "because they had a green SUV".

Understandable, I too hate green,

 

[God of Nothing]

Fucking die. This is "Yaaaaas qweeen" type of shit

stunning and brave to pose with a gun in your comfortable apartment outside of your native country as its being shelled in solidarity

 

[Still Anonymous For This]

Kharkov is holding out but I don't think anyone was expecting Russian troops at Maidan square on Day 3 with the Russians only having committed 50% of their available ground formations

I'm not altogether certain that the Russians aren't just keeping the Ukrainians pinned in Eastern Ukraine so they can't run home and protect the capital. Instead of beating feet towards the Dniper behind prepared positions to stave off a Russian assault, they dug their heels in and will eventually get cut off by the Russian elements pouring through Kiev and up through Crimea. The Ukrainians have literally learned nothing since 2014: they lost that war against the 'separatists', because they rushed forward when they were totally-and-definitely-legitimately whipping separatist ass, before they found themselves completely enveloped and facing Russian artillery pouring hate from the other side of the border.

I will say the Russians are doing a better job than I would have thought they would. They've evidently pulled off fairly successful airborne assault operations, managed to fly helicopters in a non-permissive environment that would make an Apache driver blush, and don't appear to have dicked up their armor and mechanized operations. Do I think they'd roll over NATO? Lol, no, these are the Ukrainians we're talking about here, defeating the Ukrainian Army isn't necessarily a high bar to hurdle.

That being said, I suspect that the Russians have been hesitant to commit the rest of their forces around Ukraine because they're likely lesser-trained and lesser-equipped conscripts and not the professional core of the Russian Armed Forces we're likely seeing doing a bulk of the fighting now. It could be that these reserves are being held back for some grand plan, but I find it more likely they'll be brought in when most serious resistance is squashed.

 

[BeeseChurger]

You don't negotiate with people who have already made up their minds that they're gonna kill you.

Because the reports of russians that slaughter and torch entire cities/villages have been flooding in non-stop
Cmon man.
I don't know if this is some boomer carryover belief that evil Ivan will come for you your family.
Your libtard cousin probably has more hate for you than the average russian.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

Some fitting consoomer ambience.

I like my music better

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

We've literally seen the Russians leaving the civvies well enough alone why the fuck are you pushing for them green light to attack indiscriminate.

This looks pretty indiscriminate

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Artillery impacts in a populated area of Kharkiv

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tweet :

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[Strix454]

I understand why the founding UN nations have veto power but surely someone brought up the idea of hey someday one of those nations might become a problem we have to address how should we do that if they can just block our resolutions? Surely some dudes thought of a contingency.

The UN was structured to lessen the possibility of large wars breaking out. They specifically created the voting system that was because historically alot of wars happened by a couple countries deciding to solve a problem on their own and another bloc of nations saying "no you will not".
The UN mechanisms are designed to deal with situations where one small country with no friends does something stupid. Its not designed to solve problems between big countries.

 

[Ahriman]

https://twitter.com/DonutOperator/status/1496957084738408450

 

[Coconut Gun]

I understand why the founding UN nations have veto power but surely someone brought up the idea of hey someday one of those nations might become a problem we have to address how should we do that if they can just block our resolutions? Surely some dudes thought of a contingency.

They probably quickly realized that if one of the founding nations started doing some shit, that it didn't actually matter how many resolutions they passed or how sternly worded their letters were.

 

[Jarch6]

More from r/Ukraine.

Possibility of snow, someone advertising their service by saying "Show your support for Ukraine with a editable social media post" and a guy with a Ghost of Kiev t-shirt is getting scolded.
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Wow, surprised some of the Redditors are actually smart enough to see through the attention whoring. The real test is if they'll post these comments in response to a woman posting this shit.

All the cringe aside, this did make me realize that putin is basically the true successor to stalin, that’s quite interesting. Stalin was a mastermind too. Did you know he had a secret button in his office to hide his bookshelves james bond style? That way the people he talked too would think he was just some country boy and they’d underestimate them. Then he’d proceed to completely rape everything they ever loved when their guards were down

Reminds me of that passage from Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago where he talks to various high-ranking Soviet officers who had been sent to Siberia by Stalin and the stories they would relay to him about working for the man himself. In particular, they all discussed how there was a mysterious button on his desk that when pressed would cause one of Stalin's guards to bring him a classified elixir of a substance only known as ДІЗТ СОЌЗ. Truly, Stalin was a shrewd and terrifying character.

 

[Fcret]

I understand why the founding UN nations have veto power but surely someone brought up the idea of hey someday one of those nations might become a problem we have to address how should we do that if they can just block our resolutions? Surely some dudes thought of a contingency.

The UNSC permanent members are not supposed to be fair. They're supposed to be a collection of the real, unironic actual Great Powers that control the world and have the military heft to alter the global order.

It's not a place where the motions passed actually matter. What matters is getting all the big boys into a single room to autistically argue in a parliamentary setting because that autistic arguing 1) keeps everyone engaged and at the table and 2) can often be constructive enough to result in IR breakthroughs.

The UN is not a one-world government and was never designed to be. The US would not have joined it if it was.

 

[Emperor Pupienus]

Lucking for Zelensky the Russians aren't into sodomy, don't know much about hangings tho.

The Russian military is very big on sodomy, if how they treat their own people is anything to go by:

Dedovshchina - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The Wiki is kind of sanitized, but they get raped by older soldiers as recruits; prison-gay like American convicts.

 

[Meat Target]

...You do realize most soldiers don't want to kill civilians unless there's a significant amount of bad blood between one people to another, right? A large amount of Ukraine's population is Russian. The reason why they're there isn't really something of interest to the Russian people rather than the powers that be.
They will make up their minds if the molotovs start dropping in significant enough numbers, though.

I'm talking about Zelensky, not random civilians (though it's interesting that you somehow know what the Russians' current R.O.E. is).

Zelensky has made this far. There's no reason for him Hororabry Sullendul because Papa Putin might have mercy if he grovels sufficiently. The Russians have already said they're gonna give Zelensky a show trial.

 

[CognitiveDeficiency]

I understand why the founding UN nations have veto power but surely someone brought up the idea of hey someday one of those nations might become a problem we have to address how should we do that if they can just block our resolutions? Surely some dudes thought of a contingency.

By taking it to the general assembly and having them vote on it they can bypass Russia's security council veto.

EDIT: U.N. Resolution 377. The measure states that, in the event that the Security Council cannot maintain international peace, a matter can be taken up by the General Assembly. This procedure has been used 10 times so far, most notably in 1956 to help resolve the Suez Canal crisis. Britain and France, which were occupying parts of the canal at the time, vetoed Security Council resolutions calling for their withdrawal. The United States called for an emergency “Uniting for Peace” session of the General Assembly, which passed a withdrawal resolution. (A simple majority vote is required.) Britain and France pulled out shortly after.

 

[Disheveled Human]

We've literally seen the Russians leaving the civvies well enough alone why the fuck are you pushing for them green light to attack indiscriminate.

We have also seen them shell random buildings and apartments, we saw them shoot a large rocket into an airport filled with people seeking cover, Why leave it up to a dice roll on if an invading force will kill you?